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Post by sparty on Jan 7, 2023 11:50:29 GMT -8
You are a "Just wait until next year fan" And the next year and the next year and so on. Not everyone builds a program that way. And the "good news" (your words) is the half court offense and defense was very good. Of course, that is Scotts style to run half court sets while everyone else is heading towards the quick run and gun transition model. Guilty! I'm a long time season ticket holder, and don't just think about today's game, and only this season. I can see progress being made this season from where we started. The team played very well yesterday except ball handling. All other aspects of this team's performance were best we have seen all season. Our biggest issue is taking care of the ball. That is why I pointed out that we have two pure PGs coming next season who are adept at taking care of the rock. I haven't given up on this season at all. OSU still has many opportunities remaining to win some key games. But I do believe we have a great core in place going into the next 2 seasons that give OSU the opportunity to return to the upper echelon of the PAC-12. I am referring to the writing off a season. The same wash, rinse and repeat cycle we can fall into. Times are different because I hear many are saying you have to live in the moment of the new portal and transfers so you can't expect a four year build plan. I have a feeling at least a couple will portal out. A tide rise all boats so I think about 8 other pac 12 teams are saying just wait for a couple of years. I heard the great core group plan when Destiny Slocum was hear too. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 7, 2023 12:12:57 GMT -8
Guilty! I'm a long time season ticket holder, and don't just think about today's game, and only this season. I can see progress being made this season from where we started. The team played very well yesterday except ball handling. All other aspects of this team's performance were best we have seen all season. Our biggest issue is taking care of the ball. That is why I pointed out that we have two pure PGs coming next season who are adept at taking care of the rock. I haven't given up on this season at all. OSU still has many opportunities remaining to win some key games. But I do believe we have a great core in place going into the next 2 seasons that give OSU the opportunity to return to the upper echelon of the PAC-12. I am referring to the writing off a season. The same wash, rinse and repeat cycle we can fall into. Times are different because I hear many are saying you have to live in the moment of the new portal and transfers so you can't expect a four year build plan. I have a feeling at least a couple will portal out. A tide rise all boats so I think about 8 other pac 12 teams are saying just wait for a couple of years. I heard the great core group plan when Destiny Slocum was hear too. There's little doubt that at least someone will go into the portal...it's just the way things are now. Who is the bigger issue. The Beavers have not been able to retain several of their top recruits in recent seasons. That can't happen moving forward. If you lose someone who is maybe deeper on the bench and wants a better chance to play more, so be it. But key members of a team have to stick around if there's any chance of growth. Particularly this specific team. I really believe they can make a significant jump with the addition of a few more good ballhanders/passers who have some good quickness/speed. They have two guards coming in and Rueck really should work the portal again for a point guard. Beers has made a huge impact and they definitely can build around her and if Gardiner is able to play and looks good, she will be another big piece. Aaron, TVO, Mit and Marotte are all significant pieces as well. I just think the team is not that far away from being pretty darn good and that's even with my belief that Rueck's offensive philosophy is not the best. You put good enough players on the court who are also good fits and you can win. I believe that the days of Pac-12 title contention and deep runs into the NCAA tournament are mostly gone, but at least getting to a highly competitive level in the conference and regular NCAA berths are viable goals. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 7, 2023 12:24:37 GMT -8
Last night sucked, biggest let down I ever remember watching OSU women’s hoops. Blame for everyone in the last 3 minutes. Rueck has to cal timeout when the lead gets cut to 5, and it’s inexcusable he didn’t call timeout when it got cut to 2. Transition defense was awful, you can’t give up transition 3s in that situation, and as everyone knows we did. Offensively we would have been better off holding the ball for 30 seconds and kicking it into the second deck. Where did you study armchair coaching? |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 7, 2023 12:31:23 GMT -8
I am referring to the writing off a season. The same wash, rinse and repeat cycle we can fall into. Times are different because I hear many are saying you have to live in the moment of the new portal and transfers so you can't expect a four year build plan. I have a feeling at least a couple will portal out. A tide rise all boats so I think about 8 other pac 12 teams are saying just wait for a couple of years. I heard the great core group plan when Destiny Slocum was hear too. There's little doubt that at least someone will go into the portal...it's just the way things are now. Who is the bigger issue. The Beavers have not been able to retain several of their top recruits in recent seasons. That can't happen moving forward. If you lose someone who is maybe deeper on the bench and wants a better chance to play more, so be it. But key members of a team have to stick around if there's any chance of growth. Particularly this specific team. I really believe they can make a significant jump with the addition of a few more good ballhanders/passers who have some good quickness/speed. They have two guards coming in and Rueck really should work the portal again for a point guard. Beers has made a huge impact and they definitely can build around her and if Gardiner is able to play and looks good, she will be another big piece. Aaron, TVO, Mit and Marotte are all significant pieces as well. I just think the team is not that far away from being pretty darn good and that's even with my belief that Rueck's offensive philosophy is not the best. You put good enough players on the court who are also good fits and you can win. I believe that the days of Pac-12 title contention and deep runs into the NCAA tournament are mostly gone, but at least getting to a highly competitive level in the conference and regular NCAA berths are viable goals. "Top recruits" from last year leaving? Let's look at that. As of 1 January this is how they were doing: Jones 10.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg Brown 9.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg Corosdale 4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg Kampschroeder 4.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg Those top recruits? |
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Post by grayman on Jan 7, 2023 12:56:31 GMT -8
There's little doubt that at least someone will go into the portal...it's just the way things are now. Who is the bigger issue. The Beavers have not been able to retain several of their top recruits in recent seasons. That can't happen moving forward. If you lose someone who is maybe deeper on the bench and wants a better chance to play more, so be it. But key members of a team have to stick around if there's any chance of growth. Particularly this specific team. I really believe they can make a significant jump with the addition of a few more good ballhanders/passers who have some good quickness/speed. They have two guards coming in and Rueck really should work the portal again for a point guard. Beers has made a huge impact and they definitely can build around her and if Gardiner is able to play and looks good, she will be another big piece. Aaron, TVO, Mit and Marotte are all significant pieces as well. I just think the team is not that far away from being pretty darn good and that's even with my belief that Rueck's offensive philosophy is not the best. You put good enough players on the court who are also good fits and you can win. I believe that the days of Pac-12 title contention and deep runs into the NCAA tournament are mostly gone, but at least getting to a highly competitive level in the conference and regular NCAA berths are viable goals. "Top recruits" from last year leaving? Let's look at that. As of 1 January this is how they were doing: Jones 10.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg Brown 9.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg Corosdale 4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg Kampschroeder 4.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg Those top recruits? Yeah. Top recruits. They were top recruits coming out of high school. It's not based on how they are doing and BTW, Jones and Brown's stats are pretty decent. Corosdale wasn't quite as highly rated. Kampschroeder hasn't panned out so far. The Beavers also lost Sasha Goforth and Destiny Slocum and a few others who weren't as highly rated. The impact of Beers has enabled OSU to not miss Brown and Jones (and they definitely would be missed to a high degree if Beers had not come to OSU or was slower to make an impact). But the program is still looking for players like Slocum and Goforth who added speed, quickness and ballhandling ability, not to mention offense in general. The whys aren't relevant. The reality is that the players left and Rueck has not been able to balance it out by bringing in players through the portal who have contributed at similar levels. He is still landing some good players out of high school and he hit the lotto with Beers. But the program can't afford to continue to lose those players after a year or two. As I said, key members have to stick around for the team to have any chance of growth. You can't constantly be in a building mode. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 7, 2023 13:11:17 GMT -8
"Top recruits" from last year leaving? Let's look at that. As of 1 January this is how they were doing: Jones 10.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg Brown 9.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg Corosdale 4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg Kampschroeder 4.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg Those top recruits? Yeah. Top recruits. They were top recruits coming out of high school. It's not based on how they are doing and BTW, Jones and Brown's stats are pretty decent. Corosdale wasn't quite as highly rated. Kampschroeder hasn't panned out so far. The Beavers also lost Sasha Goforth and Destiny Slocum and a few others who weren't as highly rated. The impact of Beers has enabled OSU to not miss Brown and Jones (and they definitely would be missed to a high degree if Beers had not come to OSU or was slower to make an impact). But the program is still looking for players like Slocum and Goforth who added speed, quickness and ballhandling ability, not to mention offense in general. The whys aren't relevant. The reality is that the players left and Rueck has not been able to balance it out by bringing in players through the portal who have contributed at similar levels. He is still landing some good players out of high school and he hit the lotto with Beers. But the program can't afford to continue to lose those players after a year or two. As I said, key members have to stick around for the team to have any chance of growth. You can't constantly be in a building mode. Goforth was health-related. Slocum was a university hopper. If you are correct, the Portal puts us in a permanent building mode. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 7, 2023 13:33:05 GMT -8
Yeah. Top recruits. They were top recruits coming out of high school. It's not based on how they are doing and BTW, Jones and Brown's stats are pretty decent. Corosdale wasn't quite as highly rated. Kampschroeder hasn't panned out so far. The Beavers also lost Sasha Goforth and Destiny Slocum and a few others who weren't as highly rated. The impact of Beers has enabled OSU to not miss Brown and Jones (and they definitely would be missed to a high degree if Beers had not come to OSU or was slower to make an impact). But the program is still looking for players like Slocum and Goforth who added speed, quickness and ballhandling ability, not to mention offense in general. The whys aren't relevant. The reality is that the players left and Rueck has not been able to balance it out by bringing in players through the portal who have contributed at similar levels. He is still landing some good players out of high school and he hit the lotto with Beers. But the program can't afford to continue to lose those players after a year or two. As I said, key members have to stick around for the team to have any chance of growth. You can't constantly be in a building mode. If you are correct, the Portal puts us in a permanent building mode. Yeah. I said the whys aren't relevant, and they aren't. The end result is. (Unless there's an unusual situation going on like that with LaVonda Wagner). To your second sentence, yes...that is my point. But I hope it doesn't happen moving forward. Like I said, you're probably going to lose somebody to the portal because they will want more playing time elsewhere or whatever. That's normal and I don't blame those players at all. It's tough enough to lose an impact player (those who, at the minimum, consistently contribute in key areas) when they are late in their career or out of eligibility. Losing players with a few more years left can be devastating. To retain players, the whole concept of team as family has to be real and they have to continue to buy into the program. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 7, 2023 14:06:56 GMT -8
Last night sucked, biggest let down I ever remember watching OSU women’s hoops. Blame for everyone in the last 3 minutes. Rueck has to cal timeout when the lead gets cut to 5, and it’s inexcusable he didn’t call timeout when it got cut to 2. Transition defense was awful, you can’t give up transition 3s in that situation, and as everyone knows we did. Offensively we would have been better off holding the ball for 30 seconds and kicking it into the second deck. Where did you study armchair coaching? More than a few years of coaching and being around the game. I think he made a mistake, I’m sure he was trying to save the timeouts for the advantage of moving the ball to the front court, but we ended up taking the time outs with us to the locker room. It’s sports, it happens. Big thing now is getting the team to learn from it and be ready for ASU. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 7, 2023 14:07:06 GMT -8
Odd things I noticed about the game.
Beers has been overshooting at the beginning of the games, so this game she undershot. And got so mad at herself that after two missed shots she just ran off when Arizona still hadn't gotten the rebound.
TVO finally made a shot for herself and Ann said "was that a step back?" and Syd was very quiet. So now we know that TVO CAN make a shot for herself, but no one is sure what that shot is.
Folks have been wailing about who should bring the ball up the court. Noelle never lost the ball and actually drew a foul.
Ann kept mentioning how well TVO was doing on defense so I looked at the analytics and sure enough, TVO did the best or matched on both teams. So there's that for the folks who aren't sure what TVO brings to the team other than occasionally scoring 41 points in a game.
Lex and AJ have now had one outstanding game against good competition. Lets hope they haven't hit their max.
The funniest thing was that a team that I thought wouldn't be able to compete against the good teams managed to do so well against a ranked team at home that their fans are hyper ventilating about how they blew the game instead being happy about how well they are playing. THAT'S funny.🤣
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Post by bmoc on Jan 7, 2023 14:38:05 GMT -8
Echo that last sentiment. However it is a by-product of setting high expectations. Unfortunately those high expectations can sometimes go grazing in the field of unreasonable expectations and fan entitlement. No matter how you slice the Wonder bread, we are myopic and lack full knowledge of what our team is experiencing. I love 'em. I love our old barn of a coliseum. And I'm still double-spacing after every sentence.
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Post by grayman on Jan 7, 2023 14:56:53 GMT -8
Odd things I noticed about the game. Beers has been overshooting at the beginning of the games, so this game she undershot. And got so mad at herself that after two missed shots she just ran off when Arizona still hadn't gotten the rebound. TVO finally made a shot for herself and Ann said "was that a step back?" and Syd was very quiet. So now we know that TVO CAN make a shot for herself, but no one is sure what that shot is. Folks have been wailing about who should bring the ball up the court. Noelle never lost the ball and actually drew a foul. Ann kept mentioning how well TVO was doing on defense so I looked at the analytics and sure enough, TVO did the best or matched on both teams. So there's that for the folks who aren't sure what TVO brings to the team other than occasionally scoring 41 points in a game. Lex and AJ have now had one outstanding game against good competition. Lets hope they haven't hit their max. The funniest thing was that a team that I thought wouldn't be able to compete against the good teams managed to do so well against a ranked team at home that their fans are hyper ventilating about how they blew the game instead being happy about how well they are playing. THAT'S funny.🤣 I think most people think that the team has improved but that doesn't mean they can't express frustration with a loss like that. Pretty sure the players are frustrated (but are moving on). I haven't noticed anyone complaining about TVO's defense (and I'm pretty vocal about what I see as her shortcomings). If she was a liability on that end of the court, I don't think Rueck would play her nearly as much as he does. She gets some rebounds a few steals on a pretty consistent basis. But without going on and on about it (which I've already done in some recent posts), she needs to play better on offense. Interesting tidbit on TVO's step-back or whatever it was. I also noticed Ann Schatz's reaction and that Sydney didn't say anything. Kind of weird. I agree on Aaron's play. More wait and see about Marotte. She's certainly capable of putting up some points, though. Personally, I think the team has a pretty good outlook. Big fan of what Beers brings to the table and hoping that she'll get some more help on offense from others, whether it's TVO (most probable) or maybe Timea or someone else. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 7, 2023 16:06:29 GMT -8
Odd things I noticed about the game. Beers has been overshooting at the beginning of the games, so this game she undershot. And got so mad at herself that after two missed shots she just ran off when Arizona still hadn't gotten the rebound. TVO finally made a shot for herself and Ann said "was that a step back?" and Syd was very quiet. So now we know that TVO CAN make a shot for herself, but no one is sure what that shot is. Folks have been wailing about who should bring the ball up the court. Noelle never lost the ball and actually drew a foul. Ann kept mentioning how well TVO was doing on defense so I looked at the analytics and sure enough, TVO did the best or matched on both teams. So there's that for the folks who aren't sure what TVO brings to the team other than occasionally scoring 41 points in a game. Lex and AJ have now had one outstanding game against good competition. Lets hope they haven't hit their max. The funniest thing was that a team that I thought wouldn't be able to compete against the good teams managed to do so well against a ranked team at home that their fans are hyper ventilating about how they blew the game instead being happy about how well they are playing. THAT'S funny.🤣 I think most people think that the team has improved but that doesn't mean they can't express frustration with a loss like that. Pretty sure the players are frustrated (but are moving on). I haven't noticed anyone complaining about TVO's defense (and I'm pretty vocal about what I see as her shortcomings). If she was a liability on that end of the court, I don't think Rueck would play her nearly as much as he does. She gets some rebounds a few steals on a pretty consistent basis. But without going on and on about it (which I've already done in some recent posts), she needs to play better on offense. Interesting tidbit on TVO's step-back or whatever it was. I also noticed Ann Schatz's reaction and that Sydney didn't say anything. Kind of weird. I agree on Aaron's play. More wait and see about Marotte. She's certainly capable of putting up some points, though. Personally, I think the team has a pretty good outlook. Big fan of what Beers brings to the table and hoping that she'll get some more help on offense from others, whether it's TVO (most probable) or maybe Timea or someone else. Well, we did toss it away, so there that!! Never should have lost that game.i will say after finally watching it, AZ. Got away with mayhem on Berra several times, what were the foul shots each? |
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Post by greybeav on Jan 7, 2023 16:13:51 GMT -8
Just a heads up, U of A game is at 10 am, I missed the 1st half of fridays game thinking it was the usual 6pm...NOT
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Post by beav74 on Jan 7, 2023 16:17:15 GMT -8
That should be....Arizona State (ASU) game is at 10:00 am Pacific Time. 11:00 am Mountain time.
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Post by greybeav on Jan 7, 2023 18:57:27 GMT -8
That should be....Arizona State (ASU) game is at 10:00 am Pacific Time. 11:00 am Mountain time. yes, thanks for clarifying |
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