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Post by jimbob on Jan 2, 2023 2:38:59 GMT -8
Nick Daschel of the Oregonian on today's game: "Beers continues to be a load for defenses. She posted her eighth double-double of the season, tops for freshmen nationally. The 6-foot-2 Beers physically wore out UCLA, as Rice and Lina Sontag fouled out, and Emily Bessoir was close with four fouls."
Come on Nick---more attention to detail please---Raegan Beers is 6'4". Last year for most of the year you had Kennedy Brown at 6'4" and Taylor Jones at 6'6" when it was the other way around!
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Post by finleybandbeav on Jan 2, 2023 6:32:52 GMT -8
Back to the Beers/Brown comparisons, if you insert Brown in the game in place of Beers yesterday, we lose. It's just that simple. Beers is an all-around player, and Brown is a defensive player who is incapable of piling up the points like we Beers put up against UCLA. I like Brown's game, at 6'6" with those long arms and court smarts, she is fun to watch. And I did watch her team play against Louisville yesterday on the Yes Network before the Beavs game. She was strong defensively as usual, played almost 30 minutes, and scored three points.
If you need scoring from the center position, you need the player we have right now. It's quickly getting to the point where the only way to stop her is to foul her, which most recently isn't working either, ever since she started shooting free throws like a guard.
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Post by bdudbeaver on Jan 2, 2023 9:29:43 GMT -8
First game I attended in person this year, and my observations echo most:
Bendu was a great presence, leader, and key to the game. She brought the ball up without drama, and did the best defensively on the UCLA guards.
#10 for UCLA (Conti) is an assassin. She can shoot the lights out, has great form. I thought she was going to win it single-handedly for the Bruins.
TVO seemed winded, out of shape, or maybe not feeling well. Not her best game. I was worried coach wasn't going to give her a blow in the 4th quarter, and she would be spent. If her fitness level was like #10, she would be able to shoot better. Her body language always says "I'm tired". Several drives to the basket where she didn't even hit the rim. Her first step is not great, she sometimes "outlasts" the opponent to get to the layin, more than gets by them.
Not flattering to say "She's a load", but not sure anything better summarizes Raegan's game. Not many upper bodies like that in Women's BB. Back when I played, I used to try to guard men with bodies like that and I would just get crushed. Good awareness of where she is, and she gets the ball in the basket, which is what it is all about.
I am still an AJ fan, but she got very little time. The rotation seemed tight, maybe 8 players saw action? Coach needed a win.
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Jan 2, 2023 10:59:14 GMT -8
Back to the Beers/Brown comparisons, if you insert Brown in the game in place of Beers yesterday, we lose. It's just that simple. Beers is an all-around player, and Brown is a defensive player who is incapable of piling up the points like we Beers put up against UCLA. I like Brown's game, at 6'6" with those long arms and court smarts, she is fun to watch. And I did watch her team play against Louisville yesterday on the Yes Network before the Beavs game. She was strong defensively as usual, played almost 30 minutes, and scored three points. If you need scoring from the center position, you need the player we have right now. It's quickly getting to the point where the only way to stop her is to foul her, which most recently isn't working either, ever since she started shooting free throws like a guard. Regarding Beers, does anyone have insight on the “cords” she wears just below her knees? I don’t recall seeing a player wear something like that before. Something to fight swelling? Idk, just wondering.
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Post by escott58 on Jan 2, 2023 11:01:09 GMT -8
First game I attended in person this year, and my observations echo most: Bendu was a great presence, leader, and key to the game. She brought the ball up without drama, and did the best defensively on the UCLA guards. #10 for UCLA (Conti) is an assassin. She can shoot the lights out, has great form. I thought she was going to win it single-handedly for the Bruins. TVO seemed winded, out of shape, or maybe not feeling well. Not her best game. I was worried coach wasn't going to give her a blow in the 4th quarter, and she would be spent. If her fitness level was like #10, she would be able to shoot better. Her body language always says "I'm tired". Several drives to the basket where she didn't even hit the rim. Her first step is not great, she sometimes "outlasts" the opponent to get to the layin, more than gets by them. Not flattering to say "She's a load", but not sure anything better summarizes Raegan's game. Not many upper bodies like that in Women's BB. Back when I played, I used to try to guard men with bodies like that and I would just get crushed. Good awareness of where she is, and she gets the ball in the basket, which is what it is all about. I am still an AJ fan, but she got very little time. The rotation seemed tight, maybe 8 players saw action? Coach needed a win.It appears CSR has narrowed things down on who he needs to go with to have the best chance of winning (with less players seeing action). I don't envy having to make those choices!
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Post by grayman on Jan 2, 2023 11:17:33 GMT -8
Really thought the Beavers would get more out of Yeaney as far as possibly playing the point, but she just doesn't seem to have the knack for making the right passes/plays consistently with the ball in her hands. Aaand right as I post this she makes a nice pass inside to Beers for two, ha ha Bendu was money today---We would not have won this game without her even with RB's great game. She stayed cool under pressure and showed her senior leadership.....and 15pts-7 rebounds-8 assists-only 2 TO's and you notice that we didn't have much trouble with UCLA's press today---what did we do---simply put the ball in Bendu's hands and everyone else cleared out! Agree...I addressed my comment on Yeaney earlier in the thread because I thought it sounded too harsh when I really just meant to say that she does not seem to have the polish at the position that the top points have, not that she can't play the position pretty well. But if she continues to play like she did against UCLA, the Beavers will be fine. I think the UCLA performance came in part because Rueck actually played her a lot at the position instead of switching players in and out. I think that could have kept her a little more off kilter in her play.
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Post by grayman on Jan 2, 2023 11:49:54 GMT -8
First game I attended in person this year, and my observations echo most: Bendu was a great presence, leader, and key to the game. She brought the ball up without drama, and did the best defensively on the UCLA guards. #10 for UCLA (Conti) is an assassin. She can shoot the lights out, has great form. I thought she was going to win it single-handedly for the Bruins. TVO seemed winded, out of shape, or maybe not feeling well. Not her best game. I was worried coach wasn't going to give her a blow in the 4th quarter, and she would be spent. If her fitness level was like #10, she would be able to shoot better. Her body language always says "I'm tired". Several drives to the basket where she didn't even hit the rim. Her first step is not great, she sometimes "outlasts" the opponent to get to the layin, more than gets by them. Not flattering to say "She's a load", but not sure anything better summarizes Raegan's game. Not many upper bodies like that in Women's BB. Back when I played, I used to try to guard men with bodies like that and I would just get crushed. Good awareness of where she is, and she gets the ball in the basket, which is what it is all about. I am still an AJ fan, but she got very little time. The rotation seemed tight, maybe 8 players saw action? Coach needed a win. Regarding your comments on TVO, I don't think she's out of shape. And it seems like every time she has an off game, people speculate that she might be ill. The reality is that a lot of OSU fans tend to believe that TVO is an elite guard and then are surprised when she doesn't dominate. TVO is a very good player. She can shoot the lights out when she's on but does tend to be a little streaky at times. She's strong and can bull her way to the hoop and is an excellent rebounder for a guard. She has pretty good "basketball IQ," is a good passer for the most part and can hit clutch free throws. However, her strength is tied to her build, which is not at all like the slightly-build, whippet quick guards out there. And at 5-11, there's no height advantage. She does not have that great first step. In fact, she's not particularly quick at all. Nor is she a particularly good ballhandler. Opposing teams are very aware of this and that's why they double and triple team her as much as possible, often forcing TOs. But TVO is prone to getting her pocket picked in one-on-one situations as well, including times when she brings the ball down the court. I've noticed that her ball skills in general can drift into sloppy, almost lackadaisical, territory. She had 91 turnovers last season and leads the team in TOs again so far this season. I believe that TVO needs to be more of a spot-up shooter and cut back on trying to do so much and often too much. Beers should be the offensive focal point from now on and already seems to be, judging by the UCLA game.
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Post by damnstraight on Jan 2, 2023 12:27:31 GMT -8
Looking for some help here. Has Regan Beers' listed height always been 6'4" ? I seem to remember some controversy over her true height. Secondly, I didn't see the UCLA game, only listened to Ron Callan. Can someone please educate me as to why Noelle Mannon is getting so many minutes vs. Martha Pietsch? TIA.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 2, 2023 12:46:00 GMT -8
Looking for some help here. Has Regan Beers' listed height always been 6'4" ? I seem to remember some controversy over her true height. Secondly, I didn't see the UCLA game, only listened to Ron Callan. Can someone please educate me as to why Noelle Mannon is getting so many minutes vs. Martha Pietsch? TIA. The published height for Beers on the OSU website recently increased from 6'2" to "officially" 6'4". Whatever height Beers truly stands, it may be time to start making comparisons of her early game to Courtney Paris, the former Oklahoma center who was simply too powerful for her collegiate opposition. Beers is figuring out what works at the D1 level. And all of us Beaver WBB fans are liking what we see.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 2, 2023 12:47:39 GMT -8
Looking for some help here. Has Regan Beers' listed height always been 6'4" ? I seem to remember some controversy over her true height. Secondly, I didn't see the UCLA game, only listened to Ron Callan. Can someone please educate me as to why Noelle Mannon is getting so many minutes vs. Martha Pietsch? TIA. Beers has even joked about her height that has variously been listed at 6'2", 6'3", and 6'4". Noelle had the second highest minutes last night only Bendu had more. To my eyes it looked like she was in for her defense, when a bruin guard would start to get hot Noelle would be switched over to them. On offense she doesn't have the annoying habit of picking up her dribble until she knows where she is going to pass it. She just didn't make many mistakes in this game.
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 2, 2023 13:06:03 GMT -8
The skills that Scott hoped would make Kennedy a star big were: her defense, which turned out to be as advertised; and her ability to stretch defenses with 3 pointers, which never came to be.
That said, I really liked her game and wish she was still here. But it was mostly on defense.
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Post by ocbeav on Jan 2, 2023 13:26:48 GMT -8
Looking for some help here. Has Regan Beers' listed height always been 6'4" ? I seem to remember some controversy over her true height. Secondly, I didn't see the UCLA game, only listened to Ron Callan. Can someone please educate me as to why Noelle Mannon is getting so many minutes vs. Martha Pietsch? TIA. Beers has even joked about her height that has variously been listed at 6'2", 6'3", and 6'4". Noelle had the second highest minutes last night only Bendu had more. To my eyes it looked like she was in for her defense, when a bruin guard would start to get hot Noelle would be switched over to them. On offense she doesn't have the annoying habit of picking up her dribble until she knows where she is going to pass it. She just didn't make many mistakes in this game. After USC game, I was on the court near her, about 10 feet away. She looks to be around 6’2”, maybe half inch taller. I am 6’1” and my son is 6’2”. She isn’t 6’4” as reported but played like 6’4”. Also, Gardiner looks to be about 6’1”.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 2, 2023 13:30:08 GMT -8
I agree to some extent with Grayman's TVO assessment. But on the TO's.
TVO has the ball a lot and yet her TOV rate, % of her plays that results in a TO, is 2nd on the team (Lily has the lowest %). TVO's assist rate, chance that her possession of the ball will result in an assist, is the best on the team. Noelle's asst/to ratio is much better than Talia's, but that is a reflection that Noelle goes for the safe pass and Talia pushes the envelope.
Watched some of the highlight stuff for Beers and noticed Talia setting two rock solid screens for Beers scores. Talias knows how to play and isn't afraid of a little contact.
The only real knock on Talia's game that I see, other than quibbles like be more careful dribbling the ball, is that she has no goto scoring ability. Destiny had the step back jumper or her ability to use screens, Gulich had the fade away jumper, Mik had the pull over drive, etc. Some move that you've gotten down to where you can, at need, score against most anyone. If Talia has something like that I haven't noticed it. She can nail the open shot and pretty much drive against anyone. But the other good teams know they need to keep someone on her at all times if she has the ball, and there needs to be someone to help the defender against the drive. After that Talia seems mostly nullified. What Talia did against UCLA was drive and drive to draw the fouls and then nail the FT. If she can keep doing that and fouling out the defenders I guess that works.
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Post by grayman on Jan 2, 2023 13:38:41 GMT -8
At first I was bothered by Rueck playing Mannen so much, but I'm starting to see why as I've watched Mannen closely during recent games. She is a pretty smart player and doesn't make a lot of dumb mistakes. She is not a great athlete but has enough speed/quickness to hang on defense...that, and her tendency to go with such high effort all the time combines to make her a solid defender. She is a good ballhandler and can pass. But scoring is not her forte. If the Beavers were more solid with backcourt players, there's no doubt she would be playing fewer minutes. But that is not the case.
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Post by grayman on Jan 2, 2023 14:12:15 GMT -8
I agree to some extent with Grayman's TVO assessment. But on the TO's. TVO has the ball a lot and yet her TOV rate, % of her plays that results in a TO, is 2nd on the team (Lily has the lowest %). TVO's assist rate, chance that her possession of the ball will result in an assist, is the best on the team. Noelle's asst/to ratio is much better than Talia's, but that is a reflection that Noelle goes for the safe pass and Talia pushes the envelope. Watched some of the highlight stuff for Beers and noticed Talia setting two rock solid screens for Beers scores. Talias knows how to play and isn't afraid of a little contact. The only real knock on Talia's game that I see, other than quibbles like be more careful dribbling the ball, is that she has no goto scoring ability. Destiny had the step back jumper or her ability to use screens, Gulich had the fade away jumper, Mik had the pull over drive, etc. Some move that you've gotten down to where you can, at need, score against most anyone. If Talia has something like that I haven't noticed it. She can nail the open shot and pretty much drive against anyone. But the other good teams know they need to keep someone on her at all times if she has the ball, and there needs to be someone to help the defender against the drive. After that Talia seems mostly nullified. What Talia did against UCLA was drive and drive to draw the fouls and then nail the FT. If she can keep doing that and fouling out the defenders I guess that works. Pushes the envelope = too often sloppy IMO. It's all based on how people see TVO and I don't agree that she can do no wrong like some (not saying you do). Agree for the most part on your assessment of TVO as a scorer. Don't really agree that her ballhanding/ball skills is just a quibble. Yes, she has 47 assists to 32 turnovers right now. That's fine. But I would argue that a main reason that it has improved is that she is no longer bringing the ball down the court for the most part, and that's mainly because of her tendency to turn over the ball. Last year she had 94 assists and 91 turnovers. The only players to have more turnovers since the end of the 2016 season have been Destiny Slocum, who had 97 but 153 assists in 2018-19 and 94 but 165 assists in 2017-18 and Sydney Wiese, who also had 97 but 154 assists in 2016-17. Slocum had 76 with 150 assists in 2019-20 and Mikayla Pivec 76 and 145 that same year. Pivec had 76 and 114 in 2018-19. Aleah Goodman had 98 assists and just 47 turnovers in 20-21. TVO had 39 assists and 31 TOs that season. To be clear, I'm not knocking her ability as an all-around player. She does a ton of good things on the court.
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