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Post by beavertd on Apr 10, 2021 17:45:50 GMT -8
Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I don't think this site needs these kinds of comments and would appreciate a Mod to review such things. Nothing constructive is being added by such comments. and the posters connotations appear racist in nature.
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Post by sparty on Apr 10, 2021 17:58:39 GMT -8
Just wait until the Oregon legislature allows payment for image and likeness. You want to be in a Nike AD on ESPN. Here is your money $$$.
What will it do to the transfer portal then or recruiting in general? They seem to be heading that way. Then will college sports be as fun for us fans?
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 10, 2021 19:37:43 GMT -8
Just wait until the Oregon legislature allows payment for image and likeness. You want to be in a Nike AD on ESPN. Here is your money $$$. What will it do to the transfer portal then or recruiting in general? They seem to be heading that way. Then will college sports be as fun for us fans? The obvious answer to your last question is no, it won't. I have already commented elsewhere on the transfer portal starting to make these players seem like mercenaries; payment for image and likeness will only exacerbate that. It is obvious to anyone who can see that the athletes at schools in large population centers like Los Angeles or Seattle will experience more offers for said image and likeness, and for more money. Schools in small markets like Corvallis or Pullman will be even less able to compete for the high school kids. Furthermore, athletes who do go to such schools and make a name for themselves early on (think Jermar Jefferson of Jacquizz Rodgers) will be looking to transfer to the big market schools. It will be like paying your dues as the weatherman at a Eugene television station for 2 years, waiting for the call from Dallas or St. Louis. The bureaucrats at the NCAA and the university presidents have botched this terribly and completely. For many decades, they had a very viable operation that worked for the fans and alums, worked for the universities, and worked for the athletes - sign a piece of paper when you're a senior in high school, commit for 4 years, and get a $200,000 + education culminating in a college degree. That's a good deal, folks! When self serving politicians decreed that college athletes should be allowed to accept remuneration for use of their image, the colleges should have simply responded, "Yes, they can do so, but then they will no longer be eligible to compete in NCAA events unless they're paying for their own tuition, books, room, and board." Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2021 19:46:01 GMT -8
A $200,000 education? Exaggerate much? Maybe a handful of schools, but not everyone is Stanford.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2021 19:47:27 GMT -8
Just wait until the Oregon legislature allows payment for image and likeness. You want to be in a Nike AD on ESPN. Here is your money $$$. What will it do to the transfer portal then or recruiting in general? They seem to be heading that way. Then will college sports be as fun for us fans? The obvious answer to your last question is no, it won't. I have already commented elsewhere on the transfer portal starting to make these players seem like mercenaries; payment for image and likeness will only exacerbate that. It is obvious to anyone who can see that the athletes at schools in large population centers like Los Angeles or Seattle will experience more offers for said image and likeness, and for more money. Schools in small markets like Corvallis or Pullman will be even less able to compete for the high school kids. Furthermore, athletes who do go to such schools and make a name for themselves early on (think Jermar Jefferson of Jacquizz Rodgers) will be looking to transfer to the big market schools. It will be like paying your dues as the weatherman at a Eugene television station for 2 years, waiting for the call from Dallas or St. Louis. The bureaucrats at the NCAA and the university presidents have botched this terribly and completely. For many decades, they had a very viable operation that worked for the fans and alums, worked for the universities, and worked for the athletes - sign a piece of paper when you're a senior in high school, commit for 4 years, and get a $200,000 + education culminating in a college degree. That's a good deal, folks! When self serving politicians decreed that college athletes should be allowed to accept remuneration for use of their image, the colleges should have simply responded, "Yes, they can do so, but then they will no longer be eligible to compete in NCAA events unless they're paying for their own tuition, books, room, and board." Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. For many years, the coaches were paid salaries commensurate to deans or department heads. I think Pettibone never made more than $100,000. Then, big money screwed up the pay scale. Sorry but it's hard to say the athletes don't deserve something beyond a scholarship and stipend when their coach is making upwards of several million dollars a year, or, in some rare cases, closer to $10 million a year.
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Post by newduke2 on Apr 10, 2021 20:04:32 GMT -8
There is no doubt that the way college sports are headed with the rule changes, the biggest name schools (and doubly so for those big name schools in the largest TV markets) are going to pull even further ahead and reap the most benefits. In the Pros, the player drafts help offset this imbalance, at least a little, by allowing the losers to pick the best players first. Obviously this would be nearly impossible to implement for the power 5 conferences, but it would make things entertaining if it was!
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 10, 2021 20:08:41 GMT -8
The obvious answer to your last question is no, it won't. I have already commented elsewhere on the transfer portal starting to make these players seem like mercenaries; payment for image and likeness will only exacerbate that. It is obvious to anyone who can see that the athletes at schools in large population centers like Los Angeles or Seattle will experience more offers for said image and likeness, and for more money. Schools in small markets like Corvallis or Pullman will be even less able to compete for the high school kids. Furthermore, athletes who do go to such schools and make a name for themselves early on (think Jermar Jefferson of Jacquizz Rodgers) will be looking to transfer to the big market schools. It will be like paying your dues as the weatherman at a Eugene television station for 2 years, waiting for the call from Dallas or St. Louis. The bureaucrats at the NCAA and the university presidents have botched this terribly and completely. For many decades, they had a very viable operation that worked for the fans and alums, worked for the universities, and worked for the athletes - sign a piece of paper when you're a senior in high school, commit for 4 years, and get a $200,000 + education culminating in a college degree. That's a good deal, folks! When self serving politicians decreed that college athletes should be allowed to accept remuneration for use of their image, the colleges should have simply responded, "Yes, they can do so, but then they will no longer be eligible to compete in NCAA events unless they're paying for their own tuition, books, room, and board." Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. For many years, the coaches were paid salaries commensurate to deans or department heads. I think Pettibone never made more than $100,000. Then, big money screwed up the pay scale. Sorry but it's hard to say the athletes don't deserve something beyond a scholarship and stipend when their coach is making upwards of several million dollars a year, or, in some rare cases, closer to $10 million a year. There should be a surtax on coaching salaries across the board which is pooled and distributed equally to scholarship athletes in all sports. All departments get equally and all athletes benefit equally.
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Post by newduke2 on Apr 10, 2021 20:17:28 GMT -8
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 10, 2021 20:57:16 GMT -8
A $200,000 education? Exaggerate much? Maybe a handful of schools, but not everyone is Stanford. The average yearly cost of a four year college is $40,000 for a total of $160,000 for the degree. Add in room and board and it's about $200,000 tail end. Mileage may very.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 10, 2021 21:02:18 GMT -8
Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I don't think this site needs these kinds of comments and would appreciate a Mod to review such things. Nothing constructive is being added by such comments. and the posters connotations appear racist in nature. I get it, but he’s not racist. Just old school that can’t type. Meant no harm I guarantee you.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 10, 2021 21:16:30 GMT -8
A $200,000 education? Exaggerate much? Maybe a handful of schools, but not everyone is Stanford. Here's the cost of just tuition (no books, no room, no board, no activities fees) at several schools I quickly looked up - Oregon State is the cheapest. For public universities, I used the out of state price. Oregon State $31,125 Oregon $36,615 Arizona $36,718 Washington $38,166 Cal $44,009 Stanford $53,529 Southern Cal $58,195 $200,000 would be a bit much at some of them, but way too low at others.
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Post by newduke2 on Apr 11, 2021 6:28:40 GMT -8
A $200,000 education? Exaggerate much? Maybe a handful of schools, but not everyone is Stanford. Here's the cost of just tuition (no books, no room, no board, no activities fees) at several schools I quickly looked up - Oregon State is the cheapest. For public universities, I used the out of state price. Oregon State $31,125 Oregon $36,615 Arizona $36,718 Washington $38,166 Cal $44,009 Stanford $53,529 Southern Cal $58,195 $200,000 would be a bit much at some of them, but way too low at others. This is going to date me (oh what the heck, I am in my mid 60s) but when I was a freshman, the cost was 16 dollars a credit hour (quarter system at Michigan State University). Since most folks took 15 credit hours per term, and 3 terms a year, that was $720 a year for in state tuition. Out of state tuition was 1340 per year. Of course in 1976 you could purchase a house in Bend or Corvallis for an average price of 40,000, now it is 560,000 in Bend and 410,000 in Corvallis. Times sure have changed, but tuition has increased even faster that housing costs over the last 45 years.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 11, 2021 9:30:20 GMT -8
Here's the cost of just tuition (no books, no room, no board, no activities fees) at several schools I quickly looked up - Oregon State is the cheapest. For public universities, I used the out of state price. Oregon State $31,125 Oregon $36,615 Arizona $36,718 Washington $38,166 Cal $44,009 Stanford $53,529 Southern Cal $58,195 $200,000 would be a bit much at some of them, but way too low at others. This is going to date me (oh what the heck, I am in my mid 60s) but when I was a freshman, the cost was 16 dollars a credit hour (quarter system at Michigan State University). Since most folks took 15 credit hours per term, and 3 terms a year, that was $720 a year for in state tuition. Out of state tuition was 1340 per year. Of course in 1976 you could purchase a house in Bend or Corvallis for an average price of 40,000, now it is 560,000 in Bend and 410,000 in Corvallis. Times sure have changed, but tuition has increased even faster that housing costs over the last 45 years. OSU in-state tuition is just shy of $12,000. And very few people pay the sticker price at Stanford or USC, which have massive amounts of scholarship aid to reduce the cost and make them comparable fees-wise to public universities. And if you have a decent high-school GPA (3.8 or so), you are eligible for institutional scholarships from OSU of up to $2,500 per year that put a nice dent in the tuition. OSU certainly costs more than many members of this board paid back in the day. But if you work at it, it's still pretty affordable. Oregon needs a program like the Hope Scholarships in Georgia, the Excelsior Scholarships in New York or the Hathaway Scholarships in Wyoming that encourage kids to stay in-state by offering very generous scholarship packages that in some cases cover full tuition.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 11, 2021 13:19:27 GMT -8
Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I don't think this site needs these kinds of comments and would appreciate a Mod to review such things. Nothing constructive is being added by such comments. and the posters connotations appear racist in nature. Yeah, because black Americans are born with sports genes. That idea is about as rascist as it gets.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 11, 2021 13:44:10 GMT -8
Please let's not go down this rabbit hole.
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