billsaab
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Retired. Live in SW Washington on 73/4 Acres.
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Post by billsaab on Apr 9, 2021 14:09:35 GMT -8
Seems like Scott could open up his offense and value each possession . The Fame is changing and He can certainly open up and stay within team concepts. Stanford does,Oregon does, Arizona,ASU,UCLA,USC,. UW is a Selena and WSU does seem to match up with us.
We either open up or continue to lose young players. Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I do remember Mattie Washington fr JC Kansas. That last comment could become a can of worms. Not intending it to be that.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 9, 2021 14:16:42 GMT -8
SS has a lot of basketball potential...She's athletic, and she has a shot that can easily be improved. If she learns to finish at the basket, she will be a significant asset to her new program. Personally, I wish she would have stayed. She's not where Coach wants her to be, but my guess is she would have moved a lot closer to it in the 2021/22 season.... In my view she will not be that easy to replace. She has the kind of athleticism Coach desperately needs. But she has the kind of can't-finish-once-I-get-to-the-rim that he doesn't need. GO BEAVS!! Laughed at your post 411500, because it is true. If you watch the OSU highlights that are being posted of Savannah by the West Virginia site, she looks like a superstar. She does have talent! It just needs refining. I also notice that the West Virginia coach was very careful to say that Savannah is a good shooter in his comments. He knew making Mom happy was a good thing. Truthfully though, I don't think Savannah is a bad shooter. She struggled with the Beavs, and just needed to learn to play at this level. She has a shot at being very good. We'll see if she ever makes it. |
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Post by jdogge on Apr 9, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -8
Some of you boys remind me of the pimply nerds in high school who asks a cheerleader to the prom, who declines because she's going to be out of town, and discovers that she went to the prom with another guy.
LET IT GO! Don't be the pimply nerd.
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 9, 2021 17:16:27 GMT -8
I thought Sasha took her fair share of shots but she didn't make a hole lot of them. Compared with tvo. Compared is the key term here. I think Sasha was some times ambarrassed by her own performance. She got all the accolades she needed here somehow that was not enough for her. I liked her but she needed time and a normal season to get up on top of her game. We lost two good ones and that recruiting class. Sucks.
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Post by beaverfever148 on Apr 9, 2021 17:24:17 GMT -8
I thought Sasha took her fair share of shots but she didn't make a hole lot of them. Compared with tvo. Compared is the key term here. I think Sasha was some times ambarrassed by her own performance. She got all the accolades she needed here somehow that was not enough for her. I liked her but she needed time and a normal season to get up on top of her game. We lost two good ones and that recruiting class. Sucks. I agree that a normal season probably would have kept her in Corvallis. But it’s pretty clear that her leaving the program was not about accolades or attention. She missed her family and just wanted to be back in Arkansas. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Apr 9, 2021 17:29:03 GMT -8
More up-tempo huh? Over the past 6 years WVU and OSU have almost the same average in points/game. But I guess WVU's extra .3 points/game are all th West Virginia averaged 72.3 and the Beavers averaged 71.3(2021 averages). One point difference according to the NCAA stats website. I am not buying the fact of lack of uptempo style. Stanford averaged 77.7 points per game. UCLA averaged 71.4 Hardly a earth shattering difference. Stanford was at 17. The Beavers were 71. In the end, it it is water under the bridge. It isn't like the player is going to change their minds after declaring for the transfer portal. They could but highly unlikely. Time to worry about who is still around and who is available. High School or transfer portal. |
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 9, 2021 18:15:57 GMT -8
Scoring average isn’t a great indicator. OSU does well by being particular with shot selection, but often takes fewer due to a TO margin deficit, and sometimes rebounding deficit as well. Rueck’s offense is pretty deliberate. It’s a winning approach, but it’s not one that rewards some player styles, particularly those that like to freelance and improvise ... but there’s not much of that in any program making deep runs in the womens tourney.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Apr 9, 2021 21:36:51 GMT -8
I think it's more about our defense and how we play position defense and don't try to steal the ball which equates to less fast break points off of turnovers.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 9, 2021 22:43:35 GMT -8
Correct me if I'm wrong, but OSU has been playing the same type of basketball since Scott has been here - and the success speaks for itself. He tries to recruit players who will fit into his system, and I doubt very seriously that he tells any recruit that the system will be changed to accommodate what she wants to do.
Call me old fashioned, but that's how coaches should do it. If their system is found to not work, then they either change it or get fired. Scott's system works.
I'm fairly certain both Sasha and Savannah knew all that before they signed with us. Sasha's freshman year worked out OK for her on the court, and there's plenty of talent coming in. I think she basically just wanted to be home in Arkansas; I don't think it was an issue with the system.
Savannah's freshman year didn't work out as well for her. Maybe it was partly the system, partly the absence of a pre-conference schedule, and partly the fact that she wasn't as ready to play D1 basketball as she thought she was. Whatever the actual combination of reasons, she had the choice to try to improve over time and become a significant contributor, or leave. She chose the latter, as have hundreds of others.
It is the ease of making that choice that concerns me. The NCAA has gone overboard on this, and they need to move the needle back toward the difficult to transfer side of things. What is happening right now is madness, and will surely erode fan support if allowed to continue. I don't want to go to Gill next season to root for Greta and Talia, and then see them leave after 1 year.
We all greatly enjoy speculating on the future development of individual players and the team. We do it on this board all the time, and, up until several days ago, we were doing it vis a vis Sasha and Savannah. Some of us are still doing it for them. As college hoops fans, we want to root for and get to know a player over 4 years for her college career, and anticipate she'll remain a strong part of the program as a proud alum. We don't want to invest ourselves in someone who is just passing through town while looking for a bigger rainbow elsewhere, and, more importantly, we shouldn't have to expect or even anticipate that they'll be transients.
I'll go to Gill next November and cheer like crazy for those who stayed, but, should this musical chairs on the home team's bench continue unabated, I'll wind up looking at basketball players as a bunch of mercenaries, and the attraction of games at Gill will fade into a fond memory.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 10, 2021 8:10:48 GMT -8
Correct me if I'm wrong, but OSU has been playing the same type of basketball since Scott has been here - and the success speaks for itself. He tries to recruit players who will fit into his system, and I doubt very seriously that he tells any recruit that the system will be changed to accommodate what she wants to do. Call me old fashioned, but that's how coaches should do it. If their system is found to not work, then they either change it or get fired. Scott's system works. I'm fairly certain both Sasha and Savannah knew all that before they signed with us. Sasha's freshman year worked out OK for her on the court, and there's plenty of talent coming in. I think she basically just wanted to be home in Arkansas; I don't think it was an issue with the system. Savannah's freshman year didn't work out as well for her. Maybe it was partly the system, partly the absence of a pre-conference schedule, and partly the fact that she wasn't as ready to play D1 basketball as she thought she was. Whatever the actual combination of reasons, she had the choice to try to improve over time and become a significant contributor, or leave. She chose the latter, as have hundreds of others. It is the ease of making that choice that concerns me. The NCAA has gone overboard on this, and they need to move the needle back toward the difficult to transfer side of things. What is happening right now is madness, and will surely erode fan support if allowed to continue. I don't want to go to Gill next season to root for Greta and Talia, and then see them leave after 1 year. We all greatly enjoy speculating on the future development of individual players and the team. We do it on this board all the time, and, up until several days ago, we were doing it vis a vis Sasha and Savannah. Some of us are still doing it for them. As college hoops fans, we want to root for and get to know a player over 4 years for her college career, and anticipate she'll remain a strong part of the program as a proud alum. We don't want to invest ourselves in someone who is just passing through town while looking for a bigger rainbow elsewhere, and, more importantly, we shouldn't have to expect or even anticipate that they'll be transients. I'll go to Gill next November and cheer like crazy for those who stayed, but, should this musical chairs on the home team's bench continue unabated, I'll wind up looking at basketball players as a bunch of mercenaries, and the attraction of games at Gill will fade into a fond memory. Will said. I'm already starting to feel that way even though I'm trying hard not to |
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Post by 411500 on Apr 10, 2021 9:14:49 GMT -8
"Up-tempo" versus "controlled-tempo." A few quick comments.
Many players, in their ordinary speech, think of "up-tempo" as any style of play where you are not required to run a structured play on each offensive possession.
They view up-tempo as a style where, while having some structure, you are given quite a bit of freedom to freelance and create your own shot. Rueck doesn't like that.
Two teams that each average 70 points per game can be either (a) up-tempo, or (b) controlled.
Rueck does not allow his players a lot of freedom to wheel and deal. Many players resist (and resent) having to re-group and run a structured play on every offensive set. It makes them feel rigid and lacking in freedom. This is what many players don't like about OSU. Some of them hate it. They'd rather play on a free-wheeling, up-tempo team that wins half its games than on a structured, controlled team that wins 75% of its games.
Players (and their parents) often complain that a team lacks freedom. What they really mean is that the players are required to run specific offensive sets most of the time. For many players this is stifling and aggravating. Some of the really good creative players are downright contemptuous of structured coaches and their offences. Viewing it as a style of ball played by those who lack offensive skills.
When they don't get a lot of floor time they don't say: "I wasn't skilled at the controlled game." They say the game is too slow and it gives me no freedom. So, I'm moving to a more "up-tempo" team. What they really mean: I'm moving to a team with a less structured offense that allows greater individual freedom, more wheel an deal.
At least that's been my experience.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by jdogge on Apr 10, 2021 9:15:35 GMT -8
Seems like Scott could open up his offense and value each possession . The Fame is changing and He can certainly open up and stay within team concepts. Stanford does,Oregon does, Arizona,ASU,UCLA,USC,. UW is a Selena and WSU does seem to match up with us. We either open up or continue to lose young players. Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I do remember Mattie Washington fr JC Kansas. That last comment could become a can of worms. Not intending it to be that. I was wondering when you boys would start blaming Reuck. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 10, 2021 9:40:56 GMT -8
Seems like Scott could open up his offense and value each possession . The Fame is changing and He can certainly open up and stay within team concepts. Stanford does,Oregon does, Arizona,ASU,UCLA,USC,. UW is a Selena and WSU does seem to match up with us. We either open up or continue to lose young players. Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I do remember Mattie Washington fr JC Kansas. That last comment could become a can of worms. Not intending it to be that. If it were only as easy as recruiting a bunch of “Afro American” players. That’s not at all difficult to do. BTW Madison Washington was not a JC. She came in from Las Vegas as a freshman in the same class as Pivec, Tudor and Thropay. Anyone who follows the program even casually would know that. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 10, 2021 15:43:23 GMT -8
Seems like Scott could open up his offense and value each possession . The Fame is changing and He can certainly open up and stay within team concepts. Stanford does,Oregon does, Arizona,ASU,UCLA,USC,. UW is a Selena and WSU does seem to match up with us. We either open up or continue to lose young players. Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I do remember Mattie Washington fr JC Kansas. That last comment could become a can of worms. Not intending it to be that. Maybe we should increase the recruiting of Asian players too to kick up the team gpa! And some Mexicans to get that family atmosphere back! (RIP Reggie White) Nothing like classifying people by race here in the sports page! Ha ha! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2021 16:40:37 GMT -8
Seems like Scott could open up his offense and value each possession . The Fame is changing and He can certainly open up and stay within team concepts. Stanford does,Oregon does, Arizona,ASU,UCLA,USC,. UW is a Selena and WSU does seem to match up with us. We either open up or continue to lose young players. Also The Recruitment of Afro American mlayers needs to increase. I do remember Mattie Washington fr JC Kansas. That last comment could become a can of worms. Not intending it to be that. Maybe we should increase the recruiting of Asian players too to kick up the team gpa! And some Mexicans to get that family atmosphere back! (RIP Reggie White) Nothing like classifying people by race here in the sports page! Ha ha! Jimmy the Greek is back! |
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