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Post by grayman on Mar 15, 2024 12:25:21 GMT -8
You guys miss the main problem. There is no formula for NIL success. If there was, *everyone* would be rich! On-court success matters, but if you look at the top players you'll find that most have almost no marketability outside their locality. Social media savvy matters, but if you look at all the athletes that really invest in their social media profiles, most have virtually no marketable presence. TV visibility matters, but not all that much. It really, really helps to have the backing of existing moguls like the Sanders family or Nike, but Nike back thousands of athletes and only a fraction break through. And frankly, what matters most with female athletes is their looks - it attracts followers and it especially attracts sponsors who can translate those looks into sales - but predicting just what the next Livvy Dunne will look like is impossible.There are a hundred other schools attempting to do the same thing as OSU. Most will fail, most of the time. Some will succeed for a while until they think that they have the formula figured out and then their formula will fail. All OSU can do is keep throwing stuff at the wall until something sticks. There is absolutely a formula for NIL success. That's why everyone can't be rich (although few, if any, women's college basketball players are actually getting rich via the NIL). Success as an individual player is a big one. When it comes to the social media aspect, if you can add something else to the mix, then all the better. Some have that something else to the degree that they can push it to the forefront. Top players: The elite players are well known nationally. If you think that Beers, for example, is a top player in this scenario, well, she's never played in the NCAA tournament. Maybe if the Beavers make a deep enough run (Elite Eight is probably the minimum) and Beers (or somebody else on the team) is the main catalyst, then we'll see what happens. TV visibility: It matters a lot. More than ever. I put the numbers from last year's NCAA tournament in a previous post on this thread. The numbers are astronomical. Yeah, people are still watching sports on TV. A lot of people. TV exposure for women's basketball in particular is huge because it creates more exposure via written media, non-game TV pieces, etc. Female athletes: Yes, some have big social media followings at least largely because of their looks and it's obvious that this is what they are going for to continue to build. Again, IMO, they seem to be outliers. The majority of the top players seem to be focused on their sports before anything else. As far NIL in general, yes, there is a big difference between what individual schools are able to do for their athletes and what individual "social media stars" can do as far as landing national brands as sponsors, etc.
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Post by 76spirit on Mar 18, 2024 16:27:46 GMT -8
Looking a few years down the road…
While we await the NCAA tournament, I was playing with a scenario for a new league set up. Supposing the Mountain West Conference. the West Coast Conference, and the PAC-2 all merge. They form two divisions based on previous year’s records. With a relegation model, two or three teams would rise or fall each year. Feasible?
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 19, 2024 19:20:16 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players. Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there. you realize most of the money that Kaitlyn Claire has is endorsements. Girls on the Texas Tech bench make $40,000 a year. Girls on the Iowa bench make $27,500 without playing one minute. If you think that this team will stick together, and that occupied anything you are mistaken wholeheartedly. How much are the Beaver bench players getting paid?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2024 20:02:38 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players. Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there. you realize most of the money that Kaitlyn Claire has is endorsements. Girls on the Texas Tech bench make $40,000 a year. Girls on the Iowa bench make $27,500 without playing one minute. If you think that this team will stick together, and that occupied anything you are mistaken wholeheartedly. Lol... I've posted NUMEROUS quotes and sites that dispute your post. Have verification? I have TTech's actual reported deals. Now their collective announced lots of $ that never materialized. Like most publicized big #s. The first two NIL years WBB at TT actually had 44 NIL deals reported for a total of just over $290k. That's $6600 per deal. Iowa lists no wbb player (other than Clark) with even a 5-figure deal. They have a WBB store with each player selling merch and a membership NIL with a goal of $200/month. And, I doubt Ms Clark needs to give away Nikes to teammates making $40k. Glad to see you post some data. PS- they already have "stuck together" for two seasons. I'll bet you're "mistaken wholeheartedly". Good we'll see🤔
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Post by orman58 on Mar 20, 2024 9:20:22 GMT -8
At some point, players realize individual money does not get one a championship ring which you can have the rest of your life. Few have the chance to win or even play for a championship, for as was said about Damien, the window closes. Once college is over so does one's ability to play in group things like sports, jazz bands, marching bands, etc. Life sets in where you actually can make lots of money, but never be again at that rare level of being part of the best of the best.
Do these women consider this with regard to the portal? I don't know. Do they consider the degree they are pursuing at OSU and realize it opens doors after college since many will not be making big bucks in the pros. The maturity and the joy this group shares shows up in all the interviews over the year. They have played thousands of games before they ever got to OSU and have to realize they have never played with a group as talented and tight as this.
Put all the stats out you want. I will go with intangibles until the girls speak for themselves. Out on a limb with not stats other than gut feeling (hopefully you are old enough to know what that is), I would say it is 80-20 that at most 2 or 3 (maybe none) enter the portal after a run to the Elite Eight.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 20, 2024 9:52:38 GMT -8
What basketball players think with respect to transferring is, in my opinion, a function of the life lessons they have learned while growing up. If they have learned that not insisting that everything revolves around their maximum happiness 24/7 is actually a very pleasant way to live, I would think them less likely to enter the portal. If they have learned that the well being of the larger unit, be it family or team, is more important than the individual's achievements, then they don't enter the portal. If they have learned the importance of having people and places that can nurture you throughout your life, then you don't want to transfer away from that.
Talia is the prime example of all the above, and I think most of our women pretty much see it the same way. I think our team will remain almost entirely intact next year.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 20, 2024 10:28:23 GMT -8
If I were a betting man my money would be on no one leaving on this team. By all appearances they are a close group. And more than ever before Rueck is putting bench players in the game allowing them the opportunity to earn playing time.
If course I could very well be wrong and we could lose a player or two to the portal.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 20, 2024 14:55:48 GMT -8
If I were a betting man my money would be on no one leaving on this team. By all appearances they are a close group. And more than ever before Rueck is putting bench players in the game allowing them the opportunity to earn playing time. If course I could very well be wrong and we could lose a player or two to the portal. If you were a betting man, would your money also be on no new additions joining the team next year?
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Post by didyoutouchmydrumset on Mar 20, 2024 16:09:09 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy Schuler transferred. I know first hand her and her family were not happy with her role. With the emergence of Hunter I don't see her role changing much either. I am hope I'm wrong here.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 20, 2024 16:22:02 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy Schuler transferred. I know first hand her and her family were not happy with her role. With the emergence of Hunter I don't see her role changing much either. I am hope I'm wrong here. If she thinks she should be starting or getting more minutes she should find another place to play. In my opinion she should be grateful she received a scholarship from OSU.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2024 16:22:31 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy Schuler transferred. I know first hand her and her family were not happy with her role. With the emergence of Hunter I don't see her role changing much either. I am hope I'm wrong here. Yeah, I'm not sure what they are unhappy about if this is the case. Hunter is clearly the right choice at point guard. Shuler has been able to create a spark at times but she's just not close to taking playing time from Hunter. I like Shuler and hope she stays but the Beavers aren't going to miss a step if she does leave.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 20, 2024 16:43:52 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy Schuler transferred. I know first hand her and her family were not happy with her role. With the emergence of Hunter I don't see her role changing much either. I am hope I'm wrong here. I think her best move would be to stay at OSU and grow her game. She has ability and to my mind she's had a good freshman season. She played some impressive D, memorably on CU's Sherrod.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 20, 2024 17:27:24 GMT -8
If I were a betting man my money would be on no one leaving on this team. By all appearances they are a close group. And more than ever before Rueck is putting bench players in the game allowing them the opportunity to earn playing time. If course I could very well be wrong and we could lose a player or two to the portal. If you were a betting man, would your money also be on no new additions joining the team next year? With the demise of the pac12 and relative uncertainty of OSU's future, I'd bet on no incoming freshmen. Maybe a transfer or two if we do end up losing players.
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Post by escott58 on Mar 20, 2024 18:17:41 GMT -8
With next year's schedule, I think everyone's going to get plenty of playing time.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2024 18:36:20 GMT -8
If you were a betting man, would your money also be on no new additions joining the team next year? With the demise of the pac12 and relative uncertainty of OSU's future, I'd bet on no incoming freshmen. Maybe a transfer or two if we do end up losing players. Well, it didn't keep Bray and his staff from adding quite a few good players (at least on paper). I think the fact that right now there's no real pressing reason to add players to the women's hoops roster is the biggest reason why they wouldn't bring in a freshman. They might, but I agree that they will look to the portal first if they need to replace a player or two. I think not playing in the "old" Pac-12 moving forward will probably have an impact at some point (particularly if OSU fails to land in a power conference) but OSU is already established as a pretty good program -- not really elite tier but certainly highly regarded -- under Rueck and many players will consider coming based on that fact alone.
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