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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 13:49:29 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players. Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there. Yes, I'm sure that her deals made as a college player will carry over. But Clark didn't have to play at Iowa to get these deals. While the top athletes in women's college hoops are all capable of getting good NIL deals, the vast majority of them aren't limited to playing for the LSU's of the world to get those deals. It's more about exposure, usually (but not always) gained through success. That's where the valuation concept is on the right track as far as looking at things like social media along with actual ability.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 12, 2024 13:57:54 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players. Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there. Folks get confused on what the NIL ruling really means to college athletes. The biggest $ do not come thru traditional NIL organizations. Nor do they have anything to do with a specific school... recruiting to or staying at. As stated above Clark could have played anywhere and she was going to get national offers. The ruling allowed athletes to make $ on their name, image, and likeness. And, athletes like Clark, Williams, Dunne, etc make their $ outside of traditional NILs from "school" organizations. They are national names, and now can make $ from large corporations, which they couldn't have before the ruling. That type of money grossly exceeds the dollars, mainly merch deals, of and school related NIL deals. A former "distant" colleague stated his daughter received a $50k NIL deal as a Utah athlete. She got a 9 month free lease of a vehicle. Since it's not a standard lease the insurance for a 19 y/o driver was in excess of $250/month. She couldn't afford to take the truck. Plus it wasn't actually a $50k deal. So, not only are the "valuations" basically made up media #s, they aren't what the athlete receives. And, certainly not in cash. Players in every sport will have to want to play at OSU as they're not getting any big NIL deals. And, "no" Pope never received $100k. For those that want proof, I'll say I'm not able to provide it. But, common sense will tell you that amount is BS as the NIL organizations involved with OSU athletes do not have the balances to dole out $100k to any single athlete. Let alone to one on a insignificant program. PS... I earlier (waaaay) posted articles with excerpts from ADs from several schools showing how NIL $ are exaggerated. In Vegas I sat next to a CEO of a Cali company that deals with the same Vegas company used by many major conferences to dole out NIL money. She directed me to several articles that investigate such things. She pointed out a UNR article after I mentioned folks here keep claiming Lucas got $100k to transfer. She scoffed. Excerpt I found enlightening: "Tracking the Evolution of NIL Deals for UNR’s Athletes: (UNR collective) ...memberships include the bronze pass ($25/month or $250/year) the silver pass ($50/month or $500/year) and the gold pass ($100/month or $1,000/year). That money is directed to Blueprint Sports, an organization based in Las Vegas that has partnered with several power-conference schools. Blueprint Sports then distributes these funds to Wolf Pack athletes, notably those in basketball and football, in exchange for those athletes participating in community service events. These community service events take place with the partners of Friends of the Pack, which include the Boys and Girls Club of Truckee Meadows, Catholic Charities of Northern Nevada, Northern Most athletes partnered with Friends of the Pack are men’s and women’s basketball, as well as football players. Moreover, a public record report recording all Nevada NIL deals from July 2021 to January 2023 reveals that most NIL agreements belonged to men’s and women’s basketball. Many of those agreements were partnerships with community organizations, such as Victory Ranch and Girls on the Run. While no names were disclosed in this public record, compensation for these athletes ranged anywhere from $75 to $2300 per deal, per athlete. The highest deal, $2300, belonged to a football player who partnered with the energy drink company A SHOC." The uninformed exaggerations here never seem to stop.
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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 13:58:50 GMT -8
I googled OSU enrollment, and it was reported as 33,193. Don't know if that encompasses more than the Corvallis campus, but let's assume it does, and call Corvallis 28,000. That would mean 7,000 local students not eating properly? And sleeping at the men's shelter? Which must be the size of Gill? I think I'll take this study with an enormous grain of salt. It would seem more than a bit preposterous that 25% of OSU's enrollment can manage to pay for tuition, clothes, books, rent, fees, cell phones, and various and sundry other incidentals that one encounters as a 20 year old college student, yet is incapable of coming up with the wherewithal to pay for sustaining life.
"Food Insecurity" is so loosely defined as to be meaningless. If you don't eat as much as you want, every day, all year long, for lack of money, you are "food insecure".
Thus, my son was "food insecure" while he was at OSU, as the dorm food was so friggin' expensive that he'd just have oatmeal in his dorm room for breakfast instead of paying for the overpriced food court stuff.
So, yes, the statistic is true . . . and utterly meaningless.
Usually I'm not interested in calling for something to be moved to another part of the board but maybe those who are interested in this topic should start one on the MU. This does not belong on this thread or the wbb board..
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 12, 2024 14:24:58 GMT -8
Yes I agree we need to schedule a couple of heavyweights if possible for non-conference games next 2 years because beyond Gonzaga there probably won't be any other real toughies during conference. As far as team defections I don't think we'll see any except for possibly Martha---she is the only one that has really been left out this season. Adlee has gotten "some" important PT and her attitude has remained positive and she is an important part of this strong family group so I think she will ride it out here. I think it is the strong Beaver family this group has established that will keep the rest of them together for another year. I think Martha is the most likely candidate to leave as she appears to be the 3rd point guard going into next season. Susana Yepes may be on that list as well. She's had all year to practice with the rest of the team, so she should have a good feel on whether she will be able to get playing time on the team the next couple years. I think the rest of the players love this team and would like to stay, but the chance of getting more playing time somewhere else could sway a player or two. Most of us are expecting, and hoping, the core group sticks together. They could have a couple years that are really special if they stick it out and continue to learn, grow, and play together. It's amazing how different a team is when players have learned each other's style and moves, and have learned the SR system. Since the Beavs didn't sign any 2024 recruits, I would like to see them pick up a promising young player in the portal, or a proven grad transfer or veteran who give the Beavs a little added punch. Perhaps Dom, Lily, Adlee, or even AJ can fill that role, but you would still be short on size if Timea or Raegan were injured for a long period of time.
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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 14:55:40 GMT -8
Yes I agree we need to schedule a couple of heavyweights if possible for non-conference games next 2 years because beyond Gonzaga there probably won't be any other real toughies during conference. As far as team defections I don't think we'll see any except for possibly Martha---she is the only one that has really been left out this season. Adlee has gotten "some" important PT and her attitude has remained positive and she is an important part of this strong family group so I think she will ride it out here. I think it is the strong Beaver family this group has established that will keep the rest of them together for another year. I think Martha is the most likely candidate to leave as she appears to be the 3rd point guard going into next season. Susana Yepes may be on that list as well. She's had all year to practice with the rest of the team, so she should have a good feel on whether she will be able to get playing time on the team the next couple years. I think the rest of the players love this team and would like to stay, but the chance of getting more playing time somewhere else could sway a player or two. Most of us are expecting, and hoping, the core group sticks together. They could have a couple years that are really special if they stick it out and continue to learn, grow, and play together. It's amazing how different a team is when players have learned each other's style and moves, and have learned the SR system. Since the Beavs didn't sign any 2024 recruits, I would like to see them pick up a promising young player in the portal, or a proven grad transfer or veteran who give the Beavs a little added punch. Perhaps Dom, Lily, Adlee, or even AJ can fill that role, but you would still be short on size if Timea or Raegan were injured for a long period of time. If Rueck can find a post player who is good enough to get some minutes, play decent defense and grab rebounds, that would be the top need IMO (assuming the roster stays intact). Just a little more depth in the front court along with Heide and Rees.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 12, 2024 15:08:13 GMT -8
Looking at the roster individually:
Sela and Kelsey will stay. They each have one more year only, and they each have already transferred once. Sela has the family connection thing, and has to realize she's not going to be an impact player elsewhere. Kelsey has been an integral part of this team and has to be delighted with the way things have turned out.
Talia made it very clear during the year of the defections that she wasn't going anywhere, and she won't. Likewise, I have heard AJ say several times over the years that she loves it here, and couldn't understand why anyone would want to leave.
Raegan and Timea, after 2 years, have to be pleased with where they are individually and where the team is. There is no hint of any dissension on this team at all, and they are invested enough in Oregon State that I can't envision they'd leave because of the conference breakup.
Donovyn and Kennedie are both Oregonians who probably always wanted to come to OSU. They were aware of the conference turmoil while still in high school, so I don't see that as any factor. Donovyn is set to be the starting point guard on a top team for 4 years, so she's solid. Kennedie might opt to go to some lesser program where she could start, but it would be a much lesser one. She's a bit of a question mark, but I think she stays at least one more year.
Dom has to be pleased with her increased role and minutes as the season has progressed, and recognizes that she possesses a skill set nobody else on the team has. She'll be our 'sixth man' next year, and maybe even works into the starting rotation over AJ. She returns.
Adlee and Lily are the two most at risk. Both probably feel they could play significant minutes elsewhere, and they're right. Both hail from places far, far from Corvallis, and both might decide they'd like to actually play near family and friends. I just don't know about them. I won't be surprised if one leaves, but I will be surprised if both do. Which one? I have no idea.
Marta will have seen the writing on the wall, and she will leave. Susanna? no way of even speculating.
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Post by beavfan14 on Mar 12, 2024 15:24:45 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players. Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there. Folks get confused on what the NIL ruling really means to college athletes. The biggest $ do not come thru traditional NIL organizations. Nor do they have anything to do with a specific school... recruiting to or staying at. As stated above Clark could have played anywhere and she was going to get national offers. The ruling allowed athletes to make $ on their name, image, and likeness. And, athletes like Clark, Williams, Dunne, etc make their $ outside of traditional NILs from "school" organizations. They are national names, and now can make $ from large corporations, which they couldn't have before the ruling. That type of money grossly exceeds the dollars, mainly merch deals, of and school related NIL deals. A former "distant" colleague stated his daughter received a $50k NIL deal as a Utah athlete. She got a 9 month free lease of a vehicle. Since it's not a standard lease the insurance for a 19 y/o driver was in excess of $250/month. She couldn't afford to take the truck. Plus it wasn't actually a $50k deal. So, not only are the "valuations" basically made up media #s, they aren't what the athlete receives. And, certainly not in cash. Players in every sport will have to want to play at OSU as they're not getting any big NIL deals. And, "no" Pope never received $100k. For those that want proof, I'll say I'm not able to provide it. But, common sense will tell you that amount is BS as the NIL organizations involved with OSU athletes do not have the balances to dole out $100k to any single athlete. Let alone to one on a insignificant program. PS... I earlier (waaaay) posted articles with excerpts from ADs from several schools showing how NIL $ are exaggerated. In Vegas I sat next to a CEO of a Cali company that deals with the same Vegas company used by many major conferences to dole out NIL money. She directed me to several articles that investigate such things. She pointed out a UNR article after I mentioned folks here keep claiming Lucas got $100k to transfer. She scoffed. Excerpt I found enlightening: "Tracking the Evolution of NIL Deals for UNR’s Athletes: (UNR collective) ...memberships include the bronze pass ($25/month or $250/year) the silver pass ($50/month or $500/year) and the gold pass ($100/month or $1,000/year). That money is directed to Blueprint Sports, an organization based in Las Vegas that has partnered with several power-conference schools. Blueprint Sports then distributes these funds to Wolf Pack athletes, notably those in basketball and football, in exchange for those athletes participating in community service events. These community service events take place with the partners of Friends of the Pack, which include the Boys and Girls Club of Truckee Meadows, Catholic Charities of Northern Nevada, Northern Most athletes partnered with Friends of the Pack are men’s and women’s basketball, as well as football players. Moreover, a public record report recording all Nevada NIL deals from July 2021 to January 2023 reveals that most NIL agreements belonged to men’s and women’s basketball. Many of those agreements were partnerships with community organizations, such as Victory Ranch and Girls on the Run. While no names were disclosed in this public record, compensation for these athletes ranged anywhere from $75 to $2300 per deal, per athlete. The highest deal, $2300, belonged to a football player who partnered with the energy drink company A SHOC." The uninformed exaggerations here never seem to stop. yep you beat me to it. NIL collectives are ok for some of the athletes, but it's the big brand NIL deals that pay big for popular athletes. Jade Carey has a deal with Knudsen juices, Reebok, and some gymnastics apparel line, that has nothing to do with any OSU associated NIL deals. They are NIL sponsorships she signed on her own. Cameron Brink was the first female athlete to sign with New Balance. Those are what pay the bigger money
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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 17:04:12 GMT -8
Folks get confused on what the NIL ruling really means to college athletes. The biggest $ do not come thru traditional NIL organizations. Nor do they have anything to do with a specific school... recruiting to or staying at. As stated above Clark could have played anywhere and she was going to get national offers. The ruling allowed athletes to make $ on their name, image, and likeness. And, athletes like Clark, Williams, Dunne, etc make their $ outside of traditional NILs from "school" organizations. They are national names, and now can make $ from large corporations, which they couldn't have before the ruling. That type of money grossly exceeds the dollars, mainly merch deals, of and school related NIL deals. A former "distant" colleague stated his daughter received a $50k NIL deal as a Utah athlete. She got a 9 month free lease of a vehicle. Since it's not a standard lease the insurance for a 19 y/o driver was in excess of $250/month. She couldn't afford to take the truck. Plus it wasn't actually a $50k deal. So, not only are the "valuations" basically made up media #s, they aren't what the athlete receives. And, certainly not in cash. Players in every sport will have to want to play at OSU as they're not getting any big NIL deals. And, "no" Pope never received $100k. For those that want proof, I'll say I'm not able to provide it. But, common sense will tell you that amount is BS as the NIL organizations involved with OSU athletes do not have the balances to dole out $100k to any single athlete. Let alone to one on a insignificant program. PS... I earlier (waaaay) posted articles with excerpts from ADs from several schools showing how NIL $ are exaggerated. In Vegas I sat next to a CEO of a Cali company that deals with the same Vegas company used by many major conferences to dole out NIL money. She directed me to several articles that investigate such things. She pointed out a UNR article after I mentioned folks here keep claiming Lucas got $100k to transfer. She scoffed. Excerpt I found enlightening: "Tracking the Evolution of NIL Deals for UNR’s Athletes: (UNR collective) ...memberships include the bronze pass ($25/month or $250/year) the silver pass ($50/month or $500/year) and the gold pass ($100/month or $1,000/year). That money is directed to Blueprint Sports, an organization based in Las Vegas that has partnered with several power-conference schools. Blueprint Sports then distributes these funds to Wolf Pack athletes, notably those in basketball and football, in exchange for those athletes participating in community service events. These community service events take place with the partners of Friends of the Pack, which include the Boys and Girls Club of Truckee Meadows, Catholic Charities of Northern Nevada, Northern Most athletes partnered with Friends of the Pack are men’s and women’s basketball, as well as football players. Moreover, a public record report recording all Nevada NIL deals from July 2021 to January 2023 reveals that most NIL agreements belonged to men’s and women’s basketball. Many of those agreements were partnerships with community organizations, such as Victory Ranch and Girls on the Run. While no names were disclosed in this public record, compensation for these athletes ranged anywhere from $75 to $2300 per deal, per athlete. The highest deal, $2300, belonged to a football player who partnered with the energy drink company A SHOC." The uninformed exaggerations here never seem to stop. yep you beat me to it. NIL collectives are ok for some of the athletes, but it's the big brand NIL deals that pay big for popular athletes. Jade Carey has a deal with Knudsen juices, Reebok, and some gymnastics apparel line, that has nothing to do with any OSU associated NIL deals. They are NIL sponsorships she signed on her own. Cameron Brink was the first female athlete to sign with New Balance. Those are what pay the bigger money Yeah, this is what I was going for in my last post about Clark not having to go to Iowa to get all those NIL deals but I didn't quite get there.
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Post by markarmour04 on Mar 13, 2024 8:39:38 GMT -8
Regarding the NIL issue, the best way for Timea and/or Raegan to get NIL deals is to play for a program that is on television. It doesn't matter that Clark plays for Iowa, it matters that basically all of her games are on TV. Connecticut plays in a weak conference, but they're on TV all the time so Bueckers is in demand.
Taking this a step further, the best argument for the Beavers to play a tough non-conference program is going to be to get on TV and be able to tell recruits "come here and you will be seen."
I am not suggesting that college athletes should only think of maximizing income, but it is going to be a factor. It would absolutely have been a factor for me at that age.
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Post by grayman on Mar 13, 2024 9:01:19 GMT -8
Regarding the NIL issue, the best way for Timea and/or Raegan to get NIL deals is to play for a program that is on television. It doesn't matter that Clark plays for Iowa, it matters that basically all of her games are on TV. Connecticut plays in a weak conference, but they're on TV all the time so Bueckers is in demand. Taking this a step further, the best argument for the Beavers to play a tough non-conference program is going to be to get on TV and be able to tell recruits "come here and you will be seen." I am not suggesting that college athletes should only think of maximizing income, but it is going to be a factor. It would absolutely have been a factor for me at that age. I think the vast majority of (and the most impactful) TV exposure comes from the NCAA tournament. And teams like Iowa make it on TV during the season because of players such as Clark.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 13, 2024 13:47:09 GMT -8
Regarding the NIL issue, the best way for Timea and/or Raegan to get NIL deals is to play for a program that is on television. It doesn't matter that Clark plays for Iowa, it matters that basically all of her games are on TV. Connecticut plays in a weak conference, but they're on TV all the time so Bueckers is in demand. Taking this a step further, the best argument for the Beavers to play a tough non-conference program is going to be to get on TV and be able to tell recruits "come here and you will be seen." I am not suggesting that college athletes should only think of maximizing income, but it is going to be a factor. It would absolutely have been a factor for me at that age. There are several listings of top NIL players in women's basketball. You will find little correlation with amount of TV time. Social media fame is #1. People you have (or at least me) have never heard of are way up there. Mastrov at U Cal? Whaaaaaa?
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Post by markwbeaver on Mar 13, 2024 14:35:57 GMT -8
Mia Mastrov at Cal averaged 13 minutes a game and 2.9 points per game. Yet she has numerous NIL endorsements "worth" hundreds of thousands of dollars. Here is one blurb (obviously old) about her:
Mia Mastrov has masterfully crafted her brand on and off the court. Her father, 24 Hour Fitness founder Mark Mastrov, helped her understand the importance of brand awareness at a young age. “You don’t have to be defined as one thing. You can do all things, and still be powerful in every aspect of those things,” Mastrov recently told the SF Chronicle. Mastrov, who appeared in all 24 games for the Cal Bears in the 2021-2022 season, has professional modeling experience and a passion for high-end fashion. She boasts more than 1.1 million followers across her social media accounts.
You can do a search on her images to get a further idea of how this has happened.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 13, 2024 17:30:52 GMT -8
Let's see, Mastrov, the Cavinder twins, Paige Bueckers, Livvy Dunne (LSU gymnastics) are among the college women with the biggest social media followings in recent years. Can we figure out the commonality?
edit--I think Van Lith can also be grouped in with these others
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 13, 2024 17:40:26 GMT -8
Mastrov skipped the end of her Sr. year of high school and enrolled early at Cal around the same time as von Oelhoffen. I thought she looked like a promising young player when she first arrived. Hasn't developed much or ever become a big part of their rotation since then.
Looking at stats, she actually averaged 7 points/game when she should've been in high school still, starting in 5 of 6 games for the Bears. Cal was awful that year, but she helped. Played 32 minutes/game during that first brief stint, has played nowhere near as much since.
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Post by grayman on Mar 13, 2024 17:45:12 GMT -8
Regarding the NIL issue, the best way for Timea and/or Raegan to get NIL deals is to play for a program that is on television. It doesn't matter that Clark plays for Iowa, it matters that basically all of her games are on TV. Connecticut plays in a weak conference, but they're on TV all the time so Bueckers is in demand. Taking this a step further, the best argument for the Beavers to play a tough non-conference program is going to be to get on TV and be able to tell recruits "come here and you will be seen." I am not suggesting that college athletes should only think of maximizing income, but it is going to be a factor. It would absolutely have been a factor for me at that age. There are several listings of top NIL players in women's basketball. You will find little correlation with amount of TV time. Social media fame is #1. People you have (or at least me) have never heard of are way up there. Mastrov at U Cal? Whaaaaaa? I would disagree for the most part because I believe that TV exposure, particularly gained through success in the NCAA tournament, is one of the biggest factors in building social media popularity for the players. Yes, there are exceptions like Mastrov, Haley Cavinder and Sedona Prince, though I would argue that basketball exposure was still a significant factor for Cavinder and Prince being able to build a big social media following. Shelomi Sanders is part of a famous family of athletes and benefits highly from Prime Time being her father. But Clark is the best player in the nation and No. 5 Paige Bueckers of UConn is right up there. No. 2 Angel Reese is a top player who led LSU to the national title last season. No. 3 Flau'jae Johnson plays for LSU as does No. 6 Hailey Van Lith, who was definitely a player who grabbed attention during the NCAA tournament last year with Louisville. Juju Watkins and Cameron Brink are two of the best players in the Pac-12 and nationally. Deja Kelly is one of the best players in the ACC. The bottom line is, yes, a run of the mill women's basketball player can build a big social media following but it's much easier and more common for the top players on the top teams to get that national exposure and the social media growth that goes along with it.
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