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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 11, 2024 20:14:02 GMT -8
If a 'regular' student is struggling to feed himself, where does he find the money for books, tuition, and fees? How many OSU students do you know personally who are going to bed hungry? Go volunteer at the men's shelter and ask the 5-6 there how many days out of the week they don't eat. Are you saying that OSU students, who somehow pay for college, are sleeping at the men's shelter and not eating some days? That was my question - 'regular' students supposedly struggling to feed themselves. I'd be interested to learn more about this.
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Post by lavrentyyb on Mar 11, 2024 20:47:33 GMT -8
You do know that would include women's basketball, right? Yes.
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Post by lavrentyyb on Mar 11, 2024 20:49:46 GMT -8
Go volunteer at the men's shelter and ask the 5-6 there how many days out of the week they don't eat. Are you saying that OSU students, who somehow pay for college, are sleeping at the men's shelter and not eating some days? That was my question - 'regular' students supposedly struggling to feed themselves. I'd be interested to learn more about this. Yes. Here
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 11, 2024 21:16:13 GMT -8
Are you saying that OSU students, who somehow pay for college, are sleeping at the men's shelter and not eating some days? That was my question - 'regular' students supposedly struggling to feed themselves. I'd be interested to learn more about this. Yes. HereI clicked on the red "here' and nothing happened.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 11, 2024 21:30:20 GMT -8
Go volunteer at the men's shelter and ask the 5-6 there how many days out of the week they don't eat. Are you saying that OSU students, who somehow pay for college, are sleeping at the men's shelter and not eating some days? That was my question - 'regular' students supposedly struggling to feed themselves. I'd be interested to learn more about this. They aren't paying for college. You and I are paying for their college, through grants, government backed loans etc. "regular students"? What's an irregular student?
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Post by lavrentyyb on Mar 11, 2024 23:09:17 GMT -8
I clicked on the red "here' and nothing happened. Yeah, apparently linking to a PDF doesn't work well. It's a 2022 study on food insecurity among OSU students. "This suggests that 1 in 4 students on the Corvallis campus continues to experience difficulty accessing adequate food for an active and healthy life." "As was the case in 2020, the prevalence of FI in 2022 was disproportionately experienced by vulnerable student groups including students of color and first-generation college students. The course-based data showed 1 in 3 first generation students were food insecure. More than 1 in 3 Black, Latino, Indigenous, or Pacific Islander students were food insecure -- 13 percentage points higher than the rate reported by white students and 19 percentage points higher than Asian students. The small number of students who reported non-binary gender in the course sample limits its validity, but the email sample suggests that non-binary students had FI rates as much as 7 percentage points higher than males or females. Similarly, the emailed survey indicates the possibility that international students have higher FI rates than domestic students, but this was not evident in the course-visit sample. The higher FI rate for female v. male students is statistically significant, and similar to findings reported in 2020 (~7 to 10 percentage points difference.)"
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Post by jimbob on Mar 12, 2024 2:23:22 GMT -8
Yes I agree we need to schedule a couple of heavyweights if possible for non-conference games next 2 years because beyond Gonzaga there probably won't be any other real toughies during conference. As far as team defections I don't think we'll see any except for possibly Martha---she is the only one that has really been left out this season. Adlee has gotten "some" important PT and her attitude has remained positive and she is an important part of this strong family group so I think she will ride it out here. I think it is the strong Beaver family this group has established that will keep the rest of them together for another year.
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Post by 93beav on Mar 12, 2024 6:37:16 GMT -8
I doubt that there are too many athletic programs out there willing (or in most cases, able) to hand out $200k checks to women's basketball players. Programs aren't allowed to pay players...yet. The NIL collectives do it. There are currently 6 Big 12 schools and 8 Big Ten schools with NIL Collectives that are paying a $50k minimum to WBB/MBB players. Key players are will into 6 figures. Our fund is a bit behind those at around $10 million currently. Do you have a link to some source data around that?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 12, 2024 8:58:16 GMT -8
I doubt that there are too many athletic programs out there willing (or in most cases, able) to hand out $200k checks to women's basketball players. Programs aren't allowed to pay players...yet. The NIL collectives do it. There are currently 6 Big 12 schools and 8 Big Ten schools with NIL Collectives that are paying a $50k minimum to WBB/MBB players. Key players are will into 6 figures. Our fund is a bit behind those at around $10 million currently. So key women's B ball players are getting 6 figures? In a sport that loses money.... I'm not trying to be smart ass, and I love women's college B ball. I also know that the women's game is paid for by football and men's B ball. What im getting at mostly is I'm hoping that lack of revenue will actually help insulate it from the NIL bulls%#t.
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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 12:27:11 GMT -8
Yes I agree we need to schedule a couple of heavyweights if possible for non-conference games next 2 years because beyond Gonzaga there probably won't be any other real toughies during conference. As far as team defections I don't think we'll see any except for possibly Martha---she is the only one that has really been left out this season. Adlee has gotten "some" important PT and her attitude has remained positive and she is an important part of this strong family group so I think she will ride it out here. I think it is the strong Beaver family this group has established that will keep the rest of them together for another year. I agree and I think that the reasons you gave for Adlee staying hold true for the entire team. There are other factors involved as well, IMO. I think most (if not all) of the players came to Oregon State because they were attracted to the school and maybe the Corvallis (small college city) lifestyle. I think this is a special team and I believe the players sense that as well. We'll see how the Beavers do in the tournament but no matter how that turns out, you go into next season with a more experienced roster that should win the WCC.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 12, 2024 12:29:17 GMT -8
I clicked on the red "here' and nothing happened. Yeah, apparently linking to a PDF doesn't work well. It's a 2022 study on food insecurity among OSU students. "This suggests that 1 in 4 students on the Corvallis campus continues to experience difficulty accessing adequate food for an active and healthy life." "As was the case in 2020, the prevalence of FI in 2022 was disproportionately experienced by vulnerable student groups including students of color and first-generation college students. The course-based data showed 1 in 3 first generation students were food insecure. More than 1 in 3 Black, Latino, Indigenous, or Pacific Islander students were food insecure -- 13 percentage points higher than the rate reported by white students and 19 percentage points higher than Asian students. The small number of students who reported non-binary gender in the course sample limits its validity, but the email sample suggests that non-binary students had FI rates as much as 7 percentage points higher than males or females. Similarly, the emailed survey indicates the possibility that international students have higher FI rates than domestic students, but this was not evident in the course-visit sample. The higher FI rate for female v. male students is statistically significant, and similar to findings reported in 2020 (~7 to 10 percentage points difference.)" I googled OSU enrollment, and it was reported as 33,193. Don't know if that encompasses more than the Corvallis campus, but let's assume it does, and call Corvallis 28,000. That would mean 7,000 local students not eating properly? And sleeping at the men's shelter? Which must be the size of Gill? I think I'll take this study with an enormous grain of salt. It would seem more than a bit preposterous that 25% of OSU's enrollment can manage to pay for tuition, clothes, books, rent, fees, cell phones, and various and sundry other incidentals that one encounters as a 20 year old college student, yet is incapable of coming up with the wherewithal to pay for sustaining life.
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Post by grayman on Mar 12, 2024 12:54:19 GMT -8
Programs aren't allowed to pay players...yet. The NIL collectives do it. There are currently 6 Big 12 schools and 8 Big Ten schools with NIL Collectives that are paying a $50k minimum to WBB/MBB players. Key players are will into 6 figures. Our fund is a bit behind those at around $10 million currently. So key women's B ball players are getting 6 figures? In a sport that loses money.... I'm not trying to be smart ass, and I love women's college B ball. I also know that the women's game is paid for by football and men's B ball. What im getting at mostly is I'm hoping that lack of revenue will actually help insulate it from the NIL bulls%#t. I think for the most part the lack of revenue does insulate it from NIL deals getting really big for a lot of players. A player's ability is not the only factor in NIL valuation. A player's social media following and influence is a big part of it. The current valuations at the top of the list are higher than the ones I cited from the offseason because Caitlin Clark has jumped into the top spot with a valuation of $3.1 million. But again, these are valuations, not necessarily what these players actually bring in. For example, if Clark was really making $3.1 million, why would she declare for the WNBA when she had an extra year of eligibility?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 12, 2024 13:19:16 GMT -8
So key women's B ball players are getting 6 figures? In a sport that loses money.... I'm not trying to be smart ass, and I love women's college B ball. I also know that the women's game is paid for by football and men's B ball. What im getting at mostly is I'm hoping that lack of revenue will actually help insulate it from the NIL bulls%#t. I think for the most part the lack of revenue does insulate it from NIL deals getting really big for a lot of players. A player's ability is not the only factor in NIL valuation. A player's social media following and influence is a big part of it. The current valuations at the top of the list are higher than the ones I cited from the offseason because Caitlin Clark has jumped into the top spot with a valuation of $3.1 million. But again, these are valuations, not necessarily what these players actually bring in. For example, if Clark was really making $3.1 million, why would she declare for the WNBA when she had an extra year of eligibility? Yea good point. I did not think about social media influence. Isnt that gymnast from LSU worth a ton?
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 12, 2024 13:26:14 GMT -8
I believe in Clark's case, her money comes from national deals with companies like Nike, and that will carry over to her professional career. She does not take any NIL money available to Iowa players.
Relatively speaking, she won't make squat as a WNBA player, and, here in the United States, she probably won't be marketed properly to dramatically increase her earnings and the WNBA's brand. Overseas, however, is quite another story, and she'll make big bucks over there.
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Post by bennyskid on Mar 12, 2024 13:29:17 GMT -8
Yeah, apparently linking to a PDF doesn't work well. It's a 2022 study on food insecurity among OSU students. "This suggests that 1 in 4 students on the Corvallis campus continues to experience difficulty accessing adequate food for an active and healthy life." "As was the case in 2020, the prevalence of FI in 2022 was disproportionately experienced by vulnerable student groups including students of color and first-generation college students. The course-based data showed 1 in 3 first generation students were food insecure. More than 1 in 3 Black, Latino, Indigenous, or Pacific Islander students were food insecure -- 13 percentage points higher than the rate reported by white students and 19 percentage points higher than Asian students. The small number of students who reported non-binary gender in the course sample limits its validity, but the email sample suggests that non-binary students had FI rates as much as 7 percentage points higher than males or females. Similarly, the emailed survey indicates the possibility that international students have higher FI rates than domestic students, but this was not evident in the course-visit sample. The higher FI rate for female v. male students is statistically significant, and similar to findings reported in 2020 (~7 to 10 percentage points difference.)" I googled OSU enrollment, and it was reported as 33,193. Don't know if that encompasses more than the Corvallis campus, but let's assume it does, and call Corvallis 28,000. That would mean 7,000 local students not eating properly? And sleeping at the men's shelter? Which must be the size of Gill? I think I'll take this study with an enormous grain of salt. It would seem more than a bit preposterous that 25% of OSU's enrollment can manage to pay for tuition, clothes, books, rent, fees, cell phones, and various and sundry other incidentals that one encounters as a 20 year old college student, yet is incapable of coming up with the wherewithal to pay for sustaining life.
"Food Insecurity" is so loosely defined as to be meaningless. If you don't eat as much as you want, every day, all year long, for lack of money, you are "food insecure".
Thus, my son was "food insecure" while he was at OSU, as the dorm food was so friggin' expensive that he'd just have oatmeal in his dorm room for breakfast instead of paying for the overpriced food court stuff.
So, yes, the statistic is true . . . and utterly meaningless.
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