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Post by lotrader on May 16, 2018 5:49:49 GMT -8
We can compete in the PAC12 next year. It all depends on how Rueck manages the post player development. We don't necessarily need as much scoring from the post as we need defense and rebounding in the post. We have solid play from 1-4 positions offensively and defensively. If coaching staff can build a reliable defensive and rebounding rotation in the post, we can still compete for the PAC12 title. Can't wait to see the 1st few games & practices.
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Post by bennyskid on May 16, 2018 5:50:23 GMT -8
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Post by bennyskid on May 16, 2018 5:54:11 GMT -8
So, thickhead . . . how is it that Ruth had no talent but was able to develop through hard work, while Jo has no talent and there isn't any hope for her?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 6:12:39 GMT -8
So, thickhead . . . how is it that Ruth had no talent but was able to develop through hard work, while Jo has no talent and there isn't any hope for her? Obviously it was hard work and some "je ne sais quoi". Hard work means nothing if it is misdirected, so RH must have figured out how to solve her issues. JG hasn't figured that out, probably because her issues run too deep. A prominent psychologist once said that he thought people with physical issues were better off than people with mental issues, because physical issues are fixable. IOW, a mental issue can be quite intractable. (For example, just look at thickhead.) Dopamine levels matter. Competitive instinct matters. Being too nice is an impediment. I'll bet Ruth enjoyed blocking a shooter. The great players get a thrill out of beating their opponent. Basketball is a game of strategy, not just skill. It involves dissecting your opponents weaknesses and anticipating their moves, often with malice aforethought. People talk about what a nice, sweet person JG is. Maybe that's the issue. If the thrill of whipping an opponent isn't there, then how great is the motivation? Rueck looks for girls with big brothers that consistently beat them and take no prisoners. Those big brothers are a source of frustration and anger when a girl goes up against them. They develop a competitive mindset that is ingrained in their youth and that pushes them to excel later in life. Who knows what's up with JG.... |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 16, 2018 10:27:58 GMT -8
I recall in Ruth Hamblin's first year, she was basically coached to block shots, bother shots, rebound, set picks, use fouls wisely, and maybe take a shot/putback to keep the defense honest every now and again. She was incredibly talented, and incredibly motivated, and ended up possessing some records that won't fall anytime soon. Some Pac-12 records even. I think this was a combination of talent spotting by our coaching staff, player development by our coaching staff, coupled with amazing motivation on the player's part and a whole lot of innate talent JG will be miles ahead of where she was at this year (and she contributed this year, but we also had a first round draft pick ahead of her getting every minute we could get her) based on the progression we have seen post players follow. Along with twin towers (or even triple towers some time just for fun), I wonder if we will see any "speedy small ball" with Maddie, Janessa, Taya etc. in the front court. SR is going to have a good time this coming season. Oh, phooey! You people! 1) RH was NOT "incredibly talented". That's nuts. She had very little talent but she parlayed that into being big time player through hard work. Like I've said, even as a senior and then as a pro this "incredibly talented" person of yours had trouble consistently hitting a wide open shot from 3 feet. If you can't remember big games where she would consistently miss wide-open 3-footers, then you weren't paying attention. Nuts. 2) JG will NOT be "miles ahead" of where she was this year. It's nuts to think she's going to make some dramatic improvement after showing no real improvement in the course of her first year. She'll be a senior, for heavens sake. She ain't no freshman from whom you MIGHT expect a big jump. She's topped out, mind and body. If she's on the floor more than 10 minutes per game then we've got a bad year ahead. 3) MW et.al. is not a path to "speedy small ball". She barely 6'1" and overweight, she ain't fast, and she can't jump. There's a good reason she saw so few minutes in the final games last year. Let's get real, here. AA and PM both have vastly more innate physical skill than RH and they (not JG) had BETTER be on the floor a LOT or next season is going to be a 4th to 7th place showing for us, even WITH Destiny Slocum at the point. We can't compete against the Ucks or Cal or Stanford or ASU without a serious post presence on both offense and defense. Good comments! 1) Regardless of how talented or hard-working RH was, she is the Pac-12 and school leader in blocks, school leader in rebounds, and among the top-10 in points and shooting %. She never shot below 50% from the field. Yes, her inability to hit from long distance (where long distance was > 3 feet  was maddening, but obviously she hit more than half the shots she took for her career....Let's hope all our posts are that "hard working" or "talented". 2) We can take a metrics-driven approach to decide whether JG has improved or is miles ahead as the coming season unfolds. In my head, she will be better next year simply by virtue of having spent a year in the system. If we believe AA and PM will contribute to the "center by committee" at a similar level, her current numbers (outside of the FT line) are actually sufficient if multiplied by 3 (~4 pts and rebounds per game, shooting 58%). 3) MW likely is a backup, to your point her minutes diminished over the course of the season, though year over year they went from 83 minutes to 393 - so she has a role. And she might be faster than some of the taller players (e.g. JG). I don't disagree with your conclusion that AA and PM better have substantial roles next year in order for us to be really successful. And I expect they will. I just think that RH's considerable presence in many of our career top-10 lists (and some Pac-12 lists) *cannot* all be ascribed to hard work. GO Beavers! |
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Post by bennyskid on May 16, 2018 12:55:48 GMT -8
I'm amazed with how much thickhead knows about the psychology of a girl he's never met.
Sorry. Scratch "amazed". Insert "disgusted". How the h*** do you get off on writing off a player for psychological flaws that you made up in your head? There is "nothing up" with JG. Her teammates voted her "Most Improved". Her coaches gush over her improvement.
But thickhead thinks she's too sweet to ever be any good.
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Post by 411500 on May 16, 2018 13:14:30 GMT -8
2ndGenBeaver - - Does the final sentence in your post read as you intended??
"I just think that RH's considerable presence in many of our career top-10 lists (and some Pac-12 lists) can all be ascribed to hard work."
I presume you intend to write "cannot".....
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Post by beavsteve on May 16, 2018 14:47:28 GMT -8
I'm amazed with how much thickhead knows about the psychology of a girl he's never met. Sorry. Scratch "amazed". Insert "disgusted". How the h*** do you get off on writing off a player for psychological flaws that you made up in your head? There is "nothing up" with JG. Her teammates voted her "Most Improved". Her coaches gush over her improvement. But thickhead thinks she's too sweet to ever be any good. You seem to be attempting a bit of mind-reading yourself. Perhaps you should try reading with a bit less emotion. When he says "People talk about what a nice, sweet person JG is. Maybe that's the issue."... and ending up with "Who knows what's up with JG..." would sure suggest that he is not claiming any answers. |
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Post by blackbug on May 16, 2018 18:36:35 GMT -8
I predict that the team next year will be 1st or 2nd in the league. I would venture to say whoever Coach Rueck plays at center next year will not be an obvious weak point of the team. My memory is that post play has always been a strength of Rueck's teams. Whether it be El Greer, Bright, Hamblin, or Gulich. I remember all of them being a strength of the team. Obviously some performed better than others, but none were a disservice to their team. This is why I have no doubt that Grymek will also contribute positively.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 20:06:06 GMT -8
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 16, 2018 20:55:39 GMT -8
2ndGenBeaver - - Does the final sentence in your post read as you intended?? "I just think that RH's considerable presence in many of our career top-10 lists (and some Pac-12 lists) can all be ascribed to hard work." I presume you intend to write "cannot"..... Most kind of you to catch my typo - absolutely correct - I meant to say "cannot" (corrected now). On the road with just a laptop is my only excuse....... Thanks! Go Beavers! |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 16, 2018 21:10:16 GMT -8
I am looking forward to hopefully witnessing the first WBB game time dunk in the history of Gill Coliseum this coming November or December..... Love that AA had a Beaver sweatshirt on when receiving her award. The Ribet point guard delivered a nice no look pass, and while it was Gulich-esque both for AA to outrun the defense and secure the pass and lay it up fluidly, I dare say AA had a bit more elevation to her layin (couldn't decide whether there was contact by the defense that made her go down or she just landed awkwardly after the layin). While stars and rankings are an imprecise science, a player talented enough to be in the top 5-6 of Hoopgurlz at some point in time (and still at #21 has got to have some serious potential). Adding AA and DS (both who had lofty rankings) should really make us considerably better - we have seen what sort of contributors Hoopgurlz Top 25ers (Taya, Mik, and KTMac) have been, and Jamie and Syd (Hoopgurlz Top 60ish) as well. DS has also been in the system a year. I am really looking forward to the next few seasons...... Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaveragain on May 16, 2018 21:35:27 GMT -8
I don't see how we can say anything much about how Jo will score next season. The offensive setup was based on a highly mobile and shorter center. I don't see Jo becoming a scoring machine, but I think she will do ok.
But on rebounding I don't think people are giving her due respect. If you average her playing time to be equal to Marie's,
1st 3rd of the season 8.1/game
2nd 3rd of the season 11.9/game
last 3rd of the season 9.9/game
Jo had an average of 9.9 for the whole season and by the end of the season when they were playing much tougher competition she was still doing just fine.
I have no idea how many minutes Jo can play, she tends toward bouncing around and for the people who aren't Destiny that tires peeps out. But for the time she plays I think Jo will do great rebounding, decent on defense, and a few points for the offense. Expecting more than that is insisting that OSU have an all american center every year and that may be unreasonable.
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Post by lotrader on May 17, 2018 6:13:41 GMT -8
I attended nearly every 2017-18 home game in Gill, and, watched nearly every away game via the web or television. JG has one more year at OSU. Looking at her final game as a stake in the ground on evaluating her abilities, I don't see how we can expect much from JG next year. I hope I am wrong. Coach Rueck will do what he always does and use the pre season to sort out his rotation, and, we won't know until PAC12 play begins, the extent that JG will contribute to OSU's play next season. I am hopeful one of the incoming freshman surprise next year. As I wrote previously, we need defense (blocks and changing shots), rebounding, and passing from the 5 next year. We have many offensive weapons that can compensate for lack of scoring from the 5.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on May 17, 2018 7:17:27 GMT -8
I have no idea how many minutes Jo can play, she tends toward bouncing around and for the people who aren't Destiny that tires peeps out. Interesting comment above by beaveragain. That perception seems to indicate that Destiny's fitness level is among the best on the squad. Destiny's strengths include being one of the strongest players, pound-for-pound, on the team in the weight room. However, as she will likely readily admit, her fitness level is something that she continues to need to work on and will do so in order to be able to log a lot of minutes and remain productive as she gets tired. She will show tremendous energy and enthusiasm while on the floor, but she will tire before a number of the fitter Beavers on the team will show fatigue. |
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was maddening, but obviously she hit more than half the shots she took for her career....Let's hope all our posts are that "hard working" or "talented".