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Post by 411500 on Apr 28, 2018 12:06:14 GMT -8
In a way it's kinda silly for April, but I've been working over ideas about who is going to play and who is going to sit in the upcoming 2018-2019 season.
OK, I fully admit this kind of speculation is just that - speculation. But it's also fun. And if you like thinking about the team, the players, and the coaching decisions that shape everything it's even more fun.
So, here's some ideas to toss around...
#1. We lose Marie Gulich the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and by universal agreement the team leader and team MVP. So, that's a big deal. The number one practical question is who's gonna get her 35 minutes per game?
One answer claims it will be divided among next year's 3 Bigs: Grymek, Aquino & Morris. Could be. Another possibility is that Miller will redshirt to give her body a year to adjust to Div. 1 ball. This would leave AA & Jo Grymek to handle the Post assignments.
Another option available to Rueck (and one that I believe he will use a lot next year) is to play without any of the 3 Bigs and to follow coach's wisdom: "play your best 5 players."
This option is open to him because the Beavs have so many talented players lined up for next year who need to see the floor one way or another. More about that later.
#2. The team is loaded with returning guards and small forwards. Katie Mac, Mik Pivec, Kat Tudor, Taya Corosdale, and Aleah Goodman are all excellent shooters, top defenders, excellent passers and total team players and every one of them are too good to sit for long. All 5 are legitimate all conference selections before they complete their careers at OSU. All 5 played productive minutes this past season. (Tudor and Corosdale, in my opinion, both made heroic strides in their games November to March.) Really, who thinks any of these 5 are going to sit much next season? They're good and everyone knows it.
Now in addition to all of this returning talent at guard and small forward the Beavs are adding two newcomers (Destiny Slocum & Jasmine Simmons) who some observers believe are as good or better than any of the 5 returners. This is a big deal. And if it's true it's an even bigger deal because it means neither of them is going to sit much either....
So now we got 7 players completely deserving of floor time and we haven't even talked about the "power" forwards (Maddie Washington & Janessa Thropay or 4th year guard Taylor Kalmer).
#3. With all this talent do any players Redshirt, or does Coach keep everyone eligible and ready for action?
Three things here.
One, the Beavs have been very lucky in avoiding injury the past several seasons. If that good fortune continues Coach is looking at a lot of talented and healthy bodies competing for floor time.
Two, the Beavs are now a nationally recognized program that is able to recruit top of the line players EVERY year - so the need to redshirt in order to keep talent an additional year in the program is not nearly as essential now as it has been in the past.
Three, taking into account all of the above it seems to me that the most likely redshirt candidates are Aleah Goodman and Patricia Morris. Both have the expectation for greatness at OSU - especially in their Junior and Senior seasons. But, the way Beaver talent aligns this upcoming season both could redshirt without significant loss to team strength.
So, these are just a few things to think about - if your mind operates that way !!😇
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 28, 2018 13:51:27 GMT -8
In a way it's kinda silly for April, but I've been working over ideas about who is going to play and who is going to sit in the upcoming 2018-2019 season. OK, I fully admit this kind of speculation is just that - speculation. But it's also fun. And if you like thinking about the team, the players, and the coaching decisions that shape everything it's even more fun. So, here's some ideas to toss around... #1. We lose Marie Gulich the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and by universal agreement the team leader and team MVP. So, that's a big deal. The number one practical question is who's gonna get her 35 minutes per game? One answer claims it will be divided among next year's 3 Bigs: Grymek, Aquino & Miller. Could be. Another possibility is that Miller will redshirt to give her body a year to adjust to Div. 1 ball. This would leave AA & Jo Grymek to handle the Post assignments. Another option available to Rueck (and one that I believe he will use a lot next year) is to play without any of the 3 Bigs and to follow coach's wisdom: "play your best 5 players." This option is open to him because the Beavs have so many talented players lined up for next year who need to see the floor one way or another. More about that later. #2. The team is loaded with returning guards and small forwards. Katie Mac, Mike Pivec, Kat Tudor, Taya Corosdale, and Aleah Goodman are all excellent shooters, top defenders, excellent passers and total team players and every one of them are too good to sit for long. All 5 are legitimate all conference selections before they complete their careers at OSU. All 5 played productive minutes this past season. (Tudor and Corosdale, in my opinion, both made heroic strides in their games November to March.) Really, who thinks any of these 5 are going to sit much next season? They're good and everyone knows it. Now in addition to all of this returning talent at guard and small forward the Beavs are adding two newcomers (Destiny Slocum & Jasmine Simmons) who some observers believe are as good or better than any of the 5 returners. This is a big deal. And if it's true it's an even bigger deal because it means neither of them is going to sit much either.... So now we got 7 players completely deserving of floor time and we haven't even talked about the "power" forwards (Maddie Washington & Janessa Thropay or 4th year guard Taylor Kalmer). #3. With all this talent do any players Redshirt, or does Coach keep everyone eligible and ready for action? Three things here. One, the Beavs have been very lucky in avoiding injury the past several seasons. If that good fortune continues Coach is looking at a lot of talented and healthy bodies competing for floor time. Two, the Beavs are now a nationally recognized program that is able to recruit top of the line players EVERY year - so the need to redshirt in order to keep talent an additional year in the program is not nearly as essential now as it has been in the past. Three, taking into account all of the above it seems to me that the most likely redshirt candidates are Aleah Goodman and Patricia Miller. Both have the expectation for greatness at OSU - especially in their Junior and Senior seasons. But, the way Beaver talent aligns this upcoming season both could redshirt without significant loss to team strength. So, these are just a few things to think about - if your mind operates that way !!😇 GO BEAVS !! Who the heck is "Miller"? |
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Post by beavsteve on Apr 28, 2018 13:54:23 GMT -8
It’s Patricia MORRIS... not Miller. Her body is not the one that is more likely to need time to adapt. That would be Andrea Aquino, but I don’t think there is any way she redshirts. I think it was Willtalk that reported that she was a bit malnourished from her NJ experience and needed to get stronger. However I think her skills are such that there is no way she doesn’t play.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 28, 2018 14:15:24 GMT -8
Mike Pivec?
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Post by jegerklog on Apr 28, 2018 15:31:33 GMT -8
411500’s summary of the situation is both interesting and tempered with the proper perspective on the limits of speculation. We fans have more difficulty assessing defensive skills beyond steals and blocked shots. We tend to emphasize offense. CR tends to emphasize defense. I also wonder about the ability of Aquino and Morris to block out some of the aggressive centers around the league which requires both strength and a learning curve. I further worry about fan enthusiasm putting pressure on these two when patience would be more beneficial to them. 411500’s suggestion of a short relatively quick and talented lineup is presumably an important option to mix in with taller lineups, depending on the opponent.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 28, 2018 15:33:18 GMT -8
beavsteve - - Miller !! I've been calling her Miller for over a year now. Don't know what the deal is on that.... Morris, Morris, Morris...One more time Morris.
TheGlove: Mike Pivec. !! Obviously, Mik. Is a one-letter typo the extent of your comments on a multi-paragraph post ??🏀
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 28, 2018 16:06:12 GMT -8
Coach SR does not seem to be a big fan of redshirting (thus far). All I can think of is Tarea Green? and Thropay? who redshirted (I think). I think you projections of "center by committee" is going to require all 3 of our bigs. Joanna has made huge strides this past season, and I suspect will take another huge step forward with a summer under her belt, but I don't think she has the ability to play more than 20-25 min/game. The freshmen (PM and AA - I figure everyone knows who I am talking about without me taking the risk of misspelling or misremembering a name :-), will be able to come along slowly by getting out there for 8-10 min a game until one rises to the top, in O, D and stamina. I project that will be AA, but that is sheer speculation on my part. SR does have an embarrassment of riches in the backcourt, as 411500 notes. If Destiny is a starter, backed by Goodman, and Taya is out there at starting forward, that leaves a bunch of really good guards/small forwards vying for minutes. One option is to play a bit higher energy and sub more aggressively. Another is to play more situationally and try to keep opponents off balance, or finding the hot hand among a whole bench of potential hot hands. I don't think we will see too many transfers - I don't think we recruit too many of those "I must be #1 types", though we do have a bunch of folks who were top players in HS getting single digit minutes or even DNP-CDs who might want to go looking for more minutes. The players seem really happy, and even our last transfer (Bre Brown) was for academic reasons upon graduation, not "I must have more minutes" [she was getting plenty however]. Another alternative you point out is to put a really fast team of top notch scorers/defenders out there (Destiny, Kat, KTMac, Mik, Taya) and also have the ability to overpower with size (AA, PM, Taya, KTMac, DS) when the occasion calls for it. SR has some very interesting choices to make. Go Beavers! |
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Post by willtalk on Apr 28, 2018 16:16:46 GMT -8
It’s Patricia MORRIS... not Miller. Her body is not the one that is more likely to need time to adapt. That would be Andrea Aquino, but I don’t think there is any way she redshirts. I think it was Willtalk that reported that she was a bit malnourished from her NJ experience and needed to get stronger. However I think her skills are such that there is no way she doesn’t play. You are right that Partricia Morris's body does not need time to adapt. She was listed as 6'7" as a freshman so she pretty much has already grown into her body. From the couple of games I saw her play it sort of validates what SR had to say about her athletic ability. Still it is not out of the question that she might end up redshirting because her adaption curve to Pac 12 level play would be huge. She also never ever played close to the level of competition that Aquino faced and competition is all important in development. Her team was rated around 375 in the state of California and they went 10-0 in league play. That says about all there is to say about the level of competition she faced. She is athletic but her basketball skills need a lot of developing. So due to her lack of development her upside is certainly much bigger than normal. However for her to fullfill her potential she has to learn skills while at the same time making the adjustment against a higher level of competition. That is a big order. Both she and the coaches will see where she presently stands and how far she still has to go once she gets in the gym at Oregon St. It actually might be in her long term interest to red shirt this coming year. Of course it all depends on how well she shows against some real opposition. As to Aquino being Malnourished that was from an article I read some years back when she arrived in New Jersey. She had only just started playing basketball and her learning was hindered by her poor physical condition. She was rail thin and weak. Her coach there said that they were working on getting her stronger because growing up in the slums of Paraguay she never had enough food. He stated she is getting stronger every day. That was also some time ago, so that while she still has yet to reach her upside physically she is not quite that weak anymore. From what I have seen of her I think she will be able to contribute very quickly, but how well she adapts against the next level will dictate how much. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 28, 2018 16:20:06 GMT -8
Bre Brown and Tarea Green redshirted the same year.
After the first year or so things settled down for AA in NJ. She ended up living with a home economics teacher who made sure she had what she needed.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 28, 2018 17:30:23 GMT -8
I'm not among those who think Jo Grymek will have an important role next season....
My assessment of her game remains pretty much the same now as it was last November....
She has shown good improvement this year for sure, but to my eyes she is too slow to handle the speed of her teammates, the speed of the offense.
Her hands are slow to the pass and to the rebound. Her outlet release is far from quick.
In basketball you have to possess a helluva skill set to offset the inherent disadvantage of slow.
I'm truly hoping for the breakthrough in her game that some see. Coach is a developer of talent - and Jo is a hard worker. So there is that to consider.
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 19:44:03 GMT -8
It’s Patricia MORRIS... not Miller. Her body is not the one that is more likely to need time to adapt. That would be Andrea Aquino, but I don’t think there is any way she redshirts. I think it was Willtalk that reported that she was a bit malnourished from her NJ experience and needed to get stronger. However I think her skills are such that there is no way she doesn’t play. This is an absolute no-brainer. We'll have 3 players tall enough to battle the other bigs in this conference. JG has terrible hands and appears scatter-brained out there. There are good reasons SR played her so little, and only when he absolutely HAD to. Bad eye-hand coordination is not correctable. So we really have only 2 bigs with good enough hands to reliably catch a pass and are teachable. AA appears physically unable to play a full 40 minutes, so we HAVE to have PM available so the 2 of them can, at a minimum, trade off. It's absolutely nuts to think either one of them would redshirt. That's not what SR does, that's not what these 2 players want, that's not what the team needs. We WILL be a middling team if we don't have a strong interior presence. As good as our guards are, you can't go against Sabally and Hebard and McGuire with just Taya and KatieMac. They would eat us alive. SR needs to get AA and PM up to speed fast. I think both of them will thrive playing structured offense and defense and once they get plays that are designed to get them open. Ribet Academy was playing AA on offense at the top of the key pretty consistently based on one game video, which is idiotic, so her 10 ppg as a senior is no indication of how she'll do at OSU. Their high school teams were run-and-gun. PM was constantly getting double-teamed and mugged out there in high school, so who knows how she'll do here when teams have to play her straight up. Katie Baker is the bigs assistant coach and I have high hopes for her ability to improve both player's technique, too. They are both smart young ladies, so by Pac-12 conference time, I think they'll both be performing at a level that is very helpful to the team. They sure better be, or it'll be a dreary season in conference play. |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 28, 2018 21:40:03 GMT -8
beavsteve - - Miller !! I've been calling her Miller for over a year now. Don't know what the deal is on that.... Morris, Morris, Morris...One more time Morris. TheGlove: Mike Pivec. !! Obviously, Mik. Is a one-letter typo the extent of your comments on a multi-paragraph post ??🏀 can you edit your mistakes? |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 29, 2018 5:20:04 GMT -8
Jan and Jo will split the time at the 5. J-Thro is strong and plays longer than her 6'2" frame. Assuming she shakes the injury bug, she'll start when the opposing bigs are quicker than they are tall. Jo will start against the big girls. We have not seen a fraction of what Jan is capable of, hobbled as she has been and stuck behind Marie. SR is still high on her - she is very, very strong, knows where her feet belong, and plays D with intensity.
One factor and one factor only will determine how much PM and AA see the floor: how fast can they learn the defensive schemes. If Jo doesn't score one friggin' point all season, but play's D like she did against the Lady Vols, she will still play ahead of the freshmen until such time as they can do as much.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 29, 2018 13:57:28 GMT -8
" JG has terrible hands and appears scatter-brained out there" At least you came up with something new to denounce Jo for.
"There are good reasons SR played her so little, and only when he absolutely HAD to" Hard to feed the germ if the germ isn't on the court.
" AA appears physically unable to play a full 40 minutes" I haven't seen her run from one end of the court to the other end in all the maybe 5 games I've seen video of.
" It's absolutely nuts to think either one of them would redshirt. That's not what SR does, that's not what these 2 players want" Without looking it up I can think of Tarea and Bre being redshirts, so yeah SR. When did you ask these two players what they wanted?
"We WILL be a middling team if we don't have a strong interior presence" So unless OSU has an all-american center they can't be a good team? Out of the final four this past season, which would you say had a top center? I'd say none of them.
I think next year will be SR's greatest challenge since he turned around the OSU program. His PG is a completely different player from any others he's had at OSU. Is he going to crank up the tempo of the team based off of Destiny? We will find out next season. And whoever ends up at center for OSU it's going to be very different from Ruth/Marie.
Dreary isn't what comes to my mind for next season. Fun and exciting maybe?
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 29, 2018 14:44:58 GMT -8
It’s Patricia MORRIS... not Miller. Her body is not the one that is more likely to need time to adapt. That would be Andrea Aquino, but I don’t think there is any way she redshirts. I think it was Willtalk that reported that she was a bit malnourished from her NJ experience and needed to get stronger. However I think her skills are such that there is no way she doesn’t play. This is an absolute no-brainer. We'll have 3 players tall enough to battle the other bigs in this conference. JG has terrible hands and appears scatter-brained out there. There are good reasons SR played her so little, and only when he absolutely HAD to. Bad eye-hand coordination is not correctable. So we really have only 2 bigs with good enough hands to reliably catch a pass and are teachable. AA appears physically unable to play a full 40 minutes, so we HAVE to have PM available so the 2 of them can, at a minimum, trade off. It's absolutely nuts to think either one of them would redshirt. That's not what SR does, that's not what these 2 players want, that's not what the team needs. We WILL be a middling team if we don't have a strong interior presence. As good as our guards are, you can't go against Sabally and Hebard and McGuire with just Taya and KatieMac. They would eat us alive. SR needs to get AA and PM up to speed fast. I think both of them will thrive playing structured offense and defense and once they get plays that are designed to get them open. Ribet Academy was playing AA on offense at the top of the key pretty consistently based on one game video, which is idiotic, so her 10 ppg as a senior is no indication of how she'll do at OSU. Their high school teams were run-and-gun. PM was constantly getting double-teamed and mugged out there in high school, so who knows how she'll do here when teams have to play her straight up. Katie Baker is the bigs assistant coach and I have high hopes for her ability to improve both player's technique, too. They are both smart young ladies, so by Pac-12 conference time, I think they'll both be performing at a level that is very helpful to the team. They sure better be, or it'll be a dreary season in conference play.  |
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