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Post by bennyskid on Apr 29, 2018 18:01:06 GMT -8
Bre didn't redshirt - she sat out as a transfer. And redshirting was not part of the plan for Tarea - she was injured. To my knowledge, Scott has never redshirted a player except for injury.
As for AA running the court . . . absolutely she can. In one of the videos posted here, she grabbed a long rebound, dribbled all the way up the court, and then drove to the hoop for a lay-in. You would have thought she was Mikayla Pivec younger, taller, more swarthy sister. She no doubt has the athleticism to contribute immediately, but she doesn't have a clue how to play defense at this level. (Then again, according to SR, Destiny Slocum didn't when she arrived, either.)
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Post by aicandme on Apr 29, 2018 18:29:38 GMT -8
Bre wasn't a transfer. She originally signed with VA tech, decommited and signed with OSU. Played as a freshman and reshirted as a sophomore.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 29, 2018 18:55:33 GMT -8
Bre wasn't a transfer. She originally signed with VA tech, decommited and signed with OSU. Played as a freshman and reshirted as a sophomore. Yes. I remember Bre playing in '14, redshirting '15 and then playing again in '16 and '17. People that post wrong information with such certitude puzzle me. You'd think they'd simply check the facts, they're not hard to find. osubeavers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=2524 |
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 29, 2018 19:12:18 GMT -8
Tarea did get injured a lot, and her redshirt year may have been because of that. But I can't find anything stating such.
Marie has stated that she almost quit because she felt she was so far off from being able to play at the pac 12 level. I think PM's current skills are less than Marie's as a frosh. You really think she should be tossed in and see if she sinks or floats (swimming analogy since she's a swimmer). If she can do it great, but it's not a knock on her to let her wait a year and develop further before playing.
Don't get me wrong. I think AA is going to be doing amazing things here eventually. I saw her defending a big at the basket and AA got out quicked for a layup, and then at the offensive end AA went for a layup and got blocked by the same girl. You could see AA just stop for a sec and a look of huh...NOPE. That girl did not score against AA again, or block any more of her shots. AA learns and she learns fast.
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Post by willtalk on Apr 30, 2018 8:41:11 GMT -8
To begin I am not saying one way or the other that PM should be redshirted this coming season. My remarks are purely geared to offer a generic perspective on girls high school basketball and how that might apply to PM's situation in respect to her adapting to the Pac 12.
There is few if any sports in girls high school where there is such a vast difference in the caliber of play as in basketball. The difference between the top teams and those at the descending levels of play is vast. Therefor most high school stats mean very little. It always needs to be put into context with who they play against. This is especially true for posts since they face very little competition at the high school level.
Patricia Morris is a developmental player at the next level. That is my perspective and also the perspective of scouts that have rated her through out her high school career. She is listed as three star 38th at her position by ESPN with a score of 89. That is why SR stated she is under the radar. She probably in her entire basketball career never faced a quality high school post let alone one at the level she will face in the Pac 12. 'Thus she has never really been tested or challenged to apply her self to basketball.
Being tall does not insure success. There are a lot of players who are 6'7" playing in college. Cal has a 6'7" post who seldom sees the floor. However, what PM does have going for her is that she is very athletic and 6'7". She has a real high, as of yet, untapped potential. That is the reason she was offered by Oregon st. They believe that she can be turned into a top flight college player. Coming to Oregon State is a great choice for her for multiple reasons. Therefor she can still have a future in Professional basketball if she applies herself to the sport. Oregon St. has the coaching and level of competition in both games and practice to make that happen. You get better in practice and the level of players you face in practice is actually more important than the ones you face in games.
AA is way ahead of PM in development and yet she also still needs to adapt to the next level. I can not understand those who are convinced that PM was going to step right into the center position by passing both Jo and AA. A previous poster stated that in high school PM was constantly mugged and double teamed by the opposition. Well that's what usually happens to anyone over 6'2" in high school. Teams do that because most teams do not have legit height at the post. Unless they played high level competition in either high school or AAU, most posts usually face a wake up reality check at the next level.
The reality is that no one really knows how PM or AA match up against experienced high level D1 competition until they get them in practice. I personally trust that the coaching staff will be able to evaluate their ( all the incoming frosh ) players levels and integrate them into the lineup when they are ready to contribute. I would guard against prematurely elevating in coming frosh over players who have already proven themselves against high level competition. Especially when it is based purely on how they look against far lesser competition. Every player who gets a D1 scholarship is a star in high school.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 10:12:54 GMT -8
To begin I am not saying one way or the other that PM should be redshirted this coming season. My remarks are purely geared to offer a generic perspective on girls high school basketball and how that might apply to PM's situation in respect to her adapting to the Pac 12. There is few if any sports in girls high school where there is such a vast difference in the caliber of play as in basketball. The difference between the top teams and those at the descending levels of play is vast. Therefor most high school stats mean very little. It always needs to be put into context with who they play against. This is especially true for posts since they face very little competition at the high school level. Patricia Morris is a developmental player at the next level. That is my perspective and also the perspective of scouts that have rated her through out her high school career. She is listed as three star 38th at her position by ESPN with a score of 89. That is why SR stated she is under the radar. She probably in her entire basketball career never faced a quality high school post let alone one at the level she will face in the Pac 12. 'Thus she has never really been tested or challenged to apply her self to basketball. Being tall does not insure success. There are a lot of players who are 6'7" playing in college. Cal has a 6'7" post who seldom sees the floor. However, what PM does have going for her is that she is very athletic and 6'7". She has a real high, as of yet, untapped potential. That is the reason she was offered by Oregon st. They believe that she can be turned into a top flight college player. Coming to Oregon State is a great choice for her for multiple reasons. Therefor she can still have a future in Professional basketball if she applies herself to the sport. Oregon St. has the coaching and level of competition in both games and practice to make that happen. You get better in practice and the level of players you face in practice is actually more important than the ones you face in games. AA is way ahead of PM in development and yet she also still needs to adapt to the next level. I can not understand those who are convinced that PM was going to step right into the center position by passing both Jo and AA. A previous poster stated that in high school PM was constantly mugged and double teamed by the opposition. Well that's what usually happens to anyone over 6'2" in high school. Teams do that because most teams do not have legit height at the post. Unless they played high level competition in either high school or AAU, most posts usually face a wake up reality check at the next level. The reality is that no one really knows how PM or AA match up against experienced high level D1 competition until they get them in practice. I personally trust that the coaching staff will be able to evaluate their ( all the incoming frosh ) players levels and integrate them into the lineup when they are ready to contribute. I would guard against prematurely elevating in coming frosh over players who have already proven themselves against high level competition. Especially when it is based purely on how they look against far lesser competition. Every player who gets a D1 scholarship is a star in high school. I could concede that PM is a "developmental player" with a lot of things she needs to learn, and I would still say that she will play a lot of minutes for us, simply because we need her. As a newbie, just because of her court sense and ability to catch a pass, she's immediately better than Grymek. And as smart as she apparently is, learning the offense and defense at least as well as Grymek should be easy for her. Somebody here commented that she played good D vs Tennessee. I watched that game, and that's not what I saw. First thing Grymek did was stand under the basket on an inbound play with her back to the basket and let UT's Mercedes Russell have a wide open layin. And I never saw her do anything remarkable or even useful out there other than stand in one spot with her arms in the air. PM can do that already, and better. Grymek was also setting moving screens constantly and was lucky she wasn't getting fouls called. I defy anyone to watch that game (it's still on youtube) and point out something she did that PM wouldn't be able to do with minimal training. Grymek has no upside. PM does. PM WILL play, and play a lot. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 30, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -8
To begin I am not saying one way or the other that PM should be redshirted this coming season. My remarks are purely geared to offer a generic perspective on girls high school basketball and how that might apply to PM's situation in respect to her adapting to the Pac 12. There is few if any sports in girls high school where there is such a vast difference in the caliber of play as in basketball. The difference between the top teams and those at the descending levels of play is vast. Therefor most high school stats mean very little. It always needs to be put into context with who they play against. This is especially true for posts since they face very little competition at the high school level. Patricia Morris is a developmental player at the next level. That is my perspective and also the perspective of scouts that have rated her through out her high school career. She is listed as three star 38th at her position by ESPN with a score of 89. That is why SR stated she is under the radar. She probably in her entire basketball career never faced a quality high school post let alone one at the level she will face in the Pac 12. 'Thus she has never really been tested or challenged to apply her self to basketball. Being tall does not insure success. There are a lot of players who are 6'7" playing in college. Cal has a 6'7" post who seldom sees the floor. However, what PM does have going for her is that she is very athletic and 6'7". She has a real high, as of yet, untapped potential. That is the reason she was offered by Oregon st. They believe that she can be turned into a top flight college player. Coming to Oregon State is a great choice for her for multiple reasons. Therefor she can still have a future in Professional basketball if she applies herself to the sport. Oregon St. has the coaching and level of competition in both games and practice to make that happen. You get better in practice and the level of players you face in practice is actually more important than the ones you face in games. AA is way ahead of PM in development and yet she also still needs to adapt to the next level. I can not understand those who are convinced that PM was going to step right into the center position by passing both Jo and AA. A previous poster stated that in high school PM was constantly mugged and double teamed by the opposition. Well that's what usually happens to anyone over 6'2" in high school. Teams do that because most teams do not have legit height at the post. Unless they played high level competition in either high school or AAU, most posts usually face a wake up reality check at the next level. The reality is that no one really knows how PM or AA match up against experienced high level D1 competition until they get them in practice. I personally trust that the coaching staff will be able to evaluate their ( all the incoming frosh ) players levels and integrate them into the lineup when they are ready to contribute. I would guard against prematurely elevating in coming frosh over players who have already proven themselves against high level competition. Especially when it is based purely on how they look against far lesser competition. Every player who gets a D1 scholarship is a star in high school. I could concede that PM is a "developmental player" with a lot of things she needs to learn, and I would still say that she will play a lot of minutes for us, simply because we need her. As a newbie, just because of her court sense and ability to catch a pass, she's immediately better than Grymek. And as smart as she apparently is, learning the offense and defense at least as well as Grymek should be easy for her. Somebody here commented that she played good D vs Tennessee. I watched that game, and that's not what I saw. First thing Grymek did was stand under the basket on an inbound play with her back to the basket and let UT's Mercedes Russell have a wide open layin. And I never saw her do anything remarkable or even useful out there other than stand in one spot with her arms in the air. PM can do that already, and better. Grymek was also setting moving screens constantly and was lucky she wasn't getting fouls called. I defy anyone to watch that game (it's still on youtube) and point out something she did that PM wouldn't be able to do with minimal training. Grymek has no upside. PM does. PM WILL play, and play a lot. So we can safely put you in the “not a Jo Grymek fan” column? |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 30, 2018 13:28:27 GMT -8
It's easy to sit in the stands or in front of a TV and be critical.
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Post by jegerklog on Apr 30, 2018 14:44:54 GMT -8
And there is so much that we do not know or recognize
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Post by lotrader on Apr 30, 2018 15:08:29 GMT -8
I agree with willtalk that the OSU coaching staff will make the correct decision about each individual player in the overall context of their personal development, within the envelope of what is best for the team. For me, I can see no way to comment on which post players will see time next year, until I see them play myself (in person) against PAC12 players (our team, and/or, other teams). Lets not forget that we also have Maddie and Janessa who are not centers, but will be juniors playing at the 4. While both need to make considerable improvement, both know the OSU system, and, play OSU defense (which is the 1st and most important attribute of OSU Women's basketball).
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Post by beaverwbb fan on May 14, 2018 16:51:21 GMT -8
I understand this is just a highschool game, not the pac-12, but I still feel like this is beyond JG’s ability in terms of the rebound and finish.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:28:57 GMT -8
I understand this is just a highschool game, not the pac-12, but I still feel like this is beyond JG’s ability in terms of the rebound and finish. Exactly! And more than that, that video clip is an example of how offensively she's even already ahead of Ruth Hamblin as a senior! Ruth, even as a senior, couldn't consistently hit a shot from a few feet away. I saw her play in some game after leaving OSU, and after getting additional tutoring, and she was still missing from close range. That's why I say PM can develop into a big contributor offensively even as a freshman. And PM has said the hook shot is her favorite shot, though I haven't seen it displayed. Defensively, it will take her a lot of work to get to RH's level, but with that extra inch of height she could end up being much better than RH. She's a much better athlete than RH and probably smarter, too (she speaks fluent Mandarin). |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on May 14, 2018 18:06:23 GMT -8
Yeah, it's not like Ruth is a rocket scientist....
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Post by Werebeaver on May 14, 2018 18:26:45 GMT -8
I understand this is just a highschool game, not the pac-12, but I still feel like this is beyond JG’s ability in terms of the rebound and finish. Exactly! And more than that, that video clip is an example of how offensively she's even already ahead of Ruth Hamblin as a senior! Ruth, even as a senior, couldn't consistently hit a shot from a few feet away. I saw her play in some game after leaving OSU, and after getting additional tutoring, and she was still missing from close range. That's why I say PM can develop into a big contributor offensively even as a freshman. And PM has said the hook shot is her favorite shot, though I haven't seen it displayed. Defensively, it will take her a lot of work to get to RH's level, but with that extra inch of height she could end up being much better than RH. She's a much better athlete than RH and probably smarter, too (she speaks fluent Mandarin). Speaking Mandarin can't be too tough if 1.4 billion people do it. It's a mark of our US provincialism that we think learning a second language is some exceptional intellectual accomplishment. In many other countries, speaking a second or third language is something that ordinary folks working the counter in a shop can do. &BTW, Ruth speaks French in addition to English. Nearly 20% of Canadians are bilingual. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on May 14, 2018 18:38:16 GMT -8
With AA getting moved up to the early 20s from #7 on hoopgurlz and JS and PM unranked in the top 100, our recruiting class is no longer in the top 20, but I think JS’s ranking is inaccurate. Hopefully AA doesn’t disappoint
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