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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 26, 2018 11:41:44 GMT -8
Against what level of competition? Against the top players in the USA and other nations in the 2016 U17 FIBA games, for example. She had an injured hand vs the USA in those games, but in the prior game (vs Czechoslovakia, I think) she had something like 17 points and 14 rebounds. She runs the fast break like a veteran. I see her as a Brittany McPhee-type player, but better than Brittany. As a reply to those who say a freshman can't start, note that McPhee started 8 games for Stanford as a frosh. Video includes highlights vs CZ and FranceBetter than Brittany McPhee. That would be nice. |
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Post by 411500 on Mar 26, 2018 11:57:20 GMT -8
"It's amazing that the Beaver women's program has grown to the point that very good players may be in the position to consider moving on for more playing time."
The talk of player transfer is, of course, unofficial as of this date.
However, even if transfers do occur this year it will most likely involve players who did not average even 10 minutes per game - and almost zero minutes in important, critical games.
None have much of chance to be starters or even 6th or 7th players next season.
Some transfers, yes.
The transfer of "very good players"? Not really. Not by Pac-12 standards.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 26, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -8
Then you wouldn't be impressed by Mikayla Pivec's HS tape, either, unless you're just continuing your feats of ratiocination rationalization: And Jazz was a Sophomore on that first tape, whereas Mikayla was a senior on the video above. Thickhead, Thanks for showing the Pivec video. I know that lots of readers often disagree with what you choose to share, but I do appreciate your passion for the program when you decide to keep it positive and provide facts and links to video. Pivec's video that you shared includes clips and photos from her sophomore year at Lynnwood HS. I know because I saw her high school team play multiple times during her career. Check out the different versions of her Lynnwood jerseys. A local radio station/prep hoops highlights organization put out that video. You won't see Pivec doing any self-promotion. When you post your opinions and state them as facts, you should expect others to step in and correct you when your facts are incorrect. I do hope that Jasmine Simmons is able to step in as a frosh and contribute significantly to the success of the OSU program. I have seen a lot of high school, AAU, and women's college basketball. I have seen how Australians and other foreign players have had to adjust their games to the American game. Do Simmons a favor and allow her to develop at OSU before you pronounce her ready to step in and start at the PAC-12 level in a quality women's program. |
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Post by lotrader on Mar 26, 2018 12:51:13 GMT -8
I hope Simmons is a contributor, but making the adjustment from HS to PAC12 is not simple, not to mention learning Rueck's offense and defense. With as many guards/wings as we have, there are very few minutes to share now that Destiny Slocum will be our starting point guard. Can our women basketball players redshirt?
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 26, 2018 13:12:01 GMT -8
Pivec was hyped as a better version of Ionescu around the fan base. Surely the potential is there and hasn't matured yet. (I never saw it, always thought she was a step slow, maybe fans were a little salty with Ionescu's decision but whatever)
I'm still very very excited to see Slocum start next year. Great swagger on her that will make her an instant fan fave.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 26, 2018 13:41:03 GMT -8
I agree with blastingsand on Pivec vs. Ionescu. Pivec is more rugged and stronger than Ionescu, but that's about it. Ionesco is a better facilitator (Pivec is too inexperienced at PG), slightly quicker, a better finisher at the rim, better at changing direction (Pivec mostly drives straight-line to the bucket to score, and gets more bottled up). Pivec battles more on the boards than Ionescu, but SI still gets a lot of rebounds for a guard. Ionesco is also more consistent as an outside shooter and a better ball handler.
Unless JG improves markedly over the summer, I can see some rotations without any true post. I think some here are overestimating the impact of PM and AA as frosh. They are pretty raw.
Playing time for JS is a big question mark. She is the top ranked player in Australia for her age group, but at OSU there will be 2 gals ahead of her at PG and 3 gals ahead of her at the wings. Also, I would predict a TK transfer. |
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Post by lotrader on Mar 26, 2018 14:02:09 GMT -8
Not sure why were comparing Mikalya & Sabrina? Sabrina is on the UO Team, 45 minutes south of OSU. Pivec is going to blossom next year because she won't have the duty of bringing the ball up the court. She can focus on scoring, rebounding and passing in the offense. She will continue to be a stud on defense.
The other side benefit of Pivec playing point this year, is next year not having to worry as much about getting the ball to half court, with Destiny @ point, and, an experienced group (TC, MP, KT, KM, AG) all having been thrown to the wolves this year in handling ball pressure from the likes of UCLA, USC, and Louisville.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Mar 26, 2018 14:24:49 GMT -8
Note that Thropay and Kalmer were both All-Pac-12 academic team members.
That implies to me that there are well settled in terms of their academics, and I think lowers the chance of them transferring out.
Hoops might be their ticket to degrees, instead of dominating all of their thinking and decisions.
Graduate early and grad transfer out?
I don't think Katie could stay in the paint as a 5 with any of the opposing 5s we have seen in the last 7-10 weeks leaning on her.
I'm not even sure I would rate Taya or Maddie's chances of pulling that off as high.
My total speculation - Joanna starts at 5, but we have a spectacular season if PM and/or AA are starters by the end of the season.
I think we will be looking for "serviceable" numbers, 15 fouls and 30 affected shots from JG, AA and PM next season, and positions 1-4 for the bulk of scoring.
That said, we might be able to rotate fresh(er) bodies in at the 5 if all three can get on the floor and contribute. Marie could play 35+ minutes, don't know if that's for everyone.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 14:39:39 GMT -8
Then you wouldn't be impressed by Mikayla Pivec's HS tape, either, unless you're just continuing your feats of ratiocination rationalization: And Jazz was a Sophomore on that first tape, whereas Mikayla was a senior on the video above. ========================================================== Thickhead, Thanks for showing the Pivec video. I know that lots of readers often disagree with what you choose to share, but I do appreciate your passion for the program when you decide to keep it positive and provide facts and links to video. Pivec's video that you shared includes clips and photos from her sophomore year at Lynnwood HS. I know because I saw her high school team play multiple times during her career. Check out the different versions of her Lynnwood jerseys. A local radio station/prep hoops highlights organization put out that video. You won't see Pivec doing any self-promotion. When you post your opinions and state them as facts, you should expect others to step in and correct you when your facts are incorrect. I do hope that Jasmine Simmons is able to step in as a frosh and contribute significantly to the success of the OSU program. I have seen a lot of high school, AAU, and women's college basketball. I have seen how Australians and other foreign players have had to adjust their games to the American game. Do Simmons a favor and allow her to develop at OSU before you pronounce her ready to step in and start at the PAC-12 level in a quality women's program. So even if those clips were from her sophomore season (though she looked the same as now as far as I can tell), if you compare apples to apples, soph to soph, Jasmine shows better. Jasmine plays with great speed on the court, and Pivec doesn't. Jasmine is a natural ballhandler, Pivec isn't. My prediction: If you like Mikayla, you'll love Jasmine. Pivec started as a freshman, so could Simmons. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 26, 2018 14:48:39 GMT -8
Then you wouldn't be impressed by Mikayla Pivec's HS tape, either, unless you're just continuing your feats of ratiocination rationalization: And Jazz was a Sophomore on that first tape, whereas Mikayla was a senior on the video above. Thickhead, Thanks for showing the Pivec video. I know that lots of readers often disagree with what you choose to share, but I do appreciate your passion for the program when you decide to keep it positive and provide facts and links to video. Pivec's video that you shared includes clips and photos from her sophomore year at Lynnwood HS. I know because I saw her high school team play multiple times during her career. Check out the different versions of her Lynnwood jerseys. A local radio station/prep hoops highlights organization put out that video. You won't see Pivec doing any self-promotion. When you post your opinions and state them as facts, you should expect others to step in and correct you when your facts are incorrect. I do hope that Jasmine Simmons is able to step in as a frosh and contribute significantly to the success of the OSU program. I have seen a lot of high school, AAU, and women's college basketball. I have seen how Australians and other foreign players have had to adjust their games to the American game. Do Simmons a favor and allow her to develop at OSU before you pronounce her ready to step in and start at the PAC-12 level in a quality women's program. I could not have stated that more clearly, thanks for the post. Again, I'm not anti-Jazz Simmons in any way, shape or form. It would be awesome if she contributes next year. Great for the depth of the team. I just think, based upon watching a lot of US college hoops, that she will have some big adjustments to the P12 and D1 hoops level of play. The highlight video of JS shared above was impressive but I discount it based upon the level of competition depicted. So let's all pump the brakes on our expectations of incoming freshmen and consider that Mikayla and others will have a significant advantage in terms of experience at the top level of college hoops, in the system of OSU and physical/mental/emotional maturity. |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 26, 2018 14:50:41 GMT -8
And God help us if Destiny Slocum isn't the second coming of Sue Bird. The expectations here are through the roof.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 26, 2018 14:59:53 GMT -8
And God help us if Destiny Slocum isn't the second coming of Sue Bird. The expectations here are through the roof. Well, I don't know if they are "through the roof", but yeah, they are pretty high...but why not? After all, she was one of only 2 D1 freshmen of the year award winners. ) Maybe she will continue on and be one the of top "redshirt" (transfer) sophomores ) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 15:23:47 GMT -8
And God help us if Destiny Slocum isn't the second coming of Sue Bird. The expectations here are through the roof. Well, I don't know if they are "through the roof", but yeah, they are pretty high...but why not? After all, she was one of only 2 D1 freshmen of the year award winners. ) Maybe she will be continue on and be one the of top "redshirt" (transfer) sophomores ) Destiny scored 23 points and had 7 assists vs Uconn in the 7th game of her college career at Maryland. Hard not to think she'll do well here after developing further in the last year.... |
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Post by willtalk on Mar 26, 2018 17:10:36 GMT -8
Who starts will depend on each players strength and weakness trade off in respect to what Rueck wants out of each position. That dynamic will also be impacted by the strengths and weaknesses of the in coming players. In evaluating each player we also need to figure if a player has hit their upside or if the off season can be or will used to improve of their weaknesses. Having been on this site for most of this season I can see that many of you are not being objective as to each players up and down side in Scotts offense. There were things I saw most of this season that just made me want to tear out what little hair I have left. And by a comment Scott made at the end of his Baylor Presser he saw the same problem. He pretty much stated that often they were playing a different game on one side of the court than the offensive strategy called for. Casual fans watching games would often not be aware of it however. There was significant improvement towards the end of the season and in the playoffs, with certain players sporadically reverting back to their previous form. Scott, as any good coach, has a vision for how he wants his offense and defense to run. His offense does not allow for to much one on one play. It lives and dies by ball movement that facilitates offensive flow. The point of that is to maximize and touches by each of the out side shooters so as to take advantage of which ever one of them is hot. You do not do that by over dribbling or keeping the ball on one side of the court. What this adds to a player requirement is floor vision and that was a serious weakness on this team. What is also important to Scott is defense. That is what diminished Goodmans playing time even when she would have been an asset offensively. Every player has their strengths and weaknesses and their time on the floor will depend on whether the need for their strength out weighs the liability of their weaknesses.What the new incoming players bring to the team will impact that dynamic. How many of you thought that Kalmer would start this year based on last year? What we do know is that Slocum will take over the point and that will change the entire teams dynamic in respect to what is needed and what is expendable. Simmons is still another, but more unknown. We do know that Scott is not adverse to starting players as Freshman if he feels they fit the needs of the team. I think what I might do is an evaluation of each player's strengths and weaknesses in respect to the needs of Scotts offense. There seems to be one aspect that most of you are totally ignoring and that aspect will impact the minutes of each player next season. I await enlightenment, fearing only that the room may not be big enough for you and another member of this board. How fortunate for the rest of us. Field this Henry- Sports can be a philosophic metaphor for those that wish to build their souls through effort and error. What is it about my style that pushes your buttons? Live up to the concepts expressed in the book that includes the character under which you post. My posts intent was precisely that- a challenge. People have been making statements and counter statements in respect to the strengths and weaknesses of each individual player. The real challenge is to compare and contrast those aspects in respect to the needs of the team. That requires making an effort towards objectivity. One ignored aspect is the ability to integrate the various aspects of what constitutes BBIQ within that evaluation. Court vision, spacing and the ability to recognize and process information quickly. The challenge of integrating the individual with the whole is why basketball has replaced baseball as the new metaphor for American society. It represents the need to integrate our individuality with society. In basketball the individual skill set needs to be blended with those of the rest of the team so that the whole is representative of ALL the individual parts. That unlike baseball which reflected a society at a time when we lived in a country that still had plenty of room for unfettered individualism. The lesson of blending the individual within the whole applies to both basketball and our present societal culture. |
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Post by osu82 on Mar 26, 2018 17:17:40 GMT -8
And God help us if Destiny Slocum isn't the second coming of Sue Bird. The expectations here are through the roof. That's for sure. I know she won some recognition as a freshman at Maryland, but really her freshman stats are pretty modest: 11 ppg scoring, but only shooting 39% from the field, and 37% from 3. 70% at the FT line, so she's not a great shooter. Her assist/TO ratio is only a bit better than Pivec's. Plus, she's pretty short, 5'7" if one is generous. Nevertheless, high expectations. We'll just have to see. |
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