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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 12, 2017 16:19:42 GMT -8
I'm a little reluctant to hire a former Beav as his first head coaching stop, for every Mike Gundy or Pat Fitzgerald you probably have as many or more whose records turn out more like Paul Haynes and Barry Odoms'. It's a crap shoot. Hiring coaches can be that way.
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 12, 2017 17:36:58 GMT -8
...My original post was a reaction to what I witnessed Saturday night. I saw a team quit on itself and bumble around like they had better things to do. My simple observation is that perhaps the best way to get the best from our men on the field is to build them up rather than knock them down. And we all know that our recruits are not going to be the top of the line--not until we establish ourselves as a team worth looking at. Fleck seems to do that. Riley did that. Hell, PSU's coach had his team believing that they could whoop us. I know that the reverse method can also work, but after Saturday's game, it looked like the Beavers were playing tight--afraid to let loose. I want to see the Beavs play with a little more energy and zeal. If CGA can get that from them through the rough and tough approach, cool.... And my point, if I had one beyond the overriding need to vent about fan negativity, is that many fans feel that it has already been proven that Riley's approach to coaching did NOT "do that". I spent a lot of seasons being frustrated by the fact that fans on the message board increasingly did not want to hear that we would be fine under Riley if we just learned to weather the storms (the occasional blowout loss, the losing streaks, the occasional losing season). Although I continued to believe it, I finally just gave up. It was no fun to come to the message board, trying to be positive, and end up being told that I was a Pollyanna, was willing to settle for mediocrity, and was, in fact, an example of what was wrong with OSU fans. More and more fans are looking back a little more fondly at the Riley years now (a little late, ya think?) but the fact is that many fans complained about a lack of energy, lack of heart, lack of toughness, and lack of killer instinct by our players under Riley...and had no problem concluding that the problem came from the top down and had everything to do with the players adopting the personality of their coach. So, excuse me if I don't just buy into the theory that our current problems are caused by the teaching methods of the head coach. It could be true but it's hard to just swallow that as fact when the polar opposite approach attracted the same theories and fan dissatisfaction. Well, not exactly the polar opposite. Both Riley and Andersen are competitors who want to win. Both know a lot more about football than 99.999% of us. Both are trying their hardest to be successful. And both will be criticized for their methods, personality, knowledge, judgement, and mannerisms if the team is getting blown out, losing games, and failing to not only meet but exceed the expectations of the fans. I'm sounding more cynical than I really am, I think. I'll just try to stay positive and assume that we're just in the midst of a storm that will pass. It makes it easier to enjoy it when things do get better. Go Beavs! Mike '84 |
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Post by tennesseebeaver on Sept 12, 2017 17:44:57 GMT -8
Hey Mike Good to see you
My answer to this thread is simple
Cut our losses if we lose and/or play badly at WSU. Fan base has no energy. Team mentally is not there. Set the table for....
Hire Jonathon Smith. Alum, overachiever, smart. He's ready to lead us out of the wilderness with a great offense
2nd Hire - Unretire Dennis Erickson. Let him be the "Special Envoy" like he did do at ASU. He can mentor JS and help in hiring coaches
Finally: Get the SWAGGER BACK!
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Post by usmc1958 on Sept 12, 2017 17:49:17 GMT -8
There is next to 0 reason to hire someone because they used to play here. Hire someone because they are excellent. If Jonathan Smith is the best person for the job, hire him. But some of you would give him the job just because you like him. That's bad business. Has J. Smith, ever at any time given a hint or comment that he would want to come back to Coach the Beavs. I'm sure he enjoyed his time and the success he had here but, he's been exposed to programs with unlimited funds and super modern facilities. (like Mike R. and Neb) Why would he want to come back to OSU where you have to recruit to half a stadium and really squeeze the nickels and dimes for your recruiting budget. Us, as fans, see things differently than a Man who is looking for a good place to live and work. Being super successful and making tons of money at a top rated school is probably a small consideration too. I'm afraid our OSU will always be a stepping stone for the upcoming elite Coaches. Coach Prothro loved Corvallis and the Beavs, but he couldn't say no to Westwood and the Bruins. Was it P.T. Barnum or W.C.Fields who said "There is a sucker born every minute". We were the sucker for CGA line of BS. We bought the sizzle, not the steak. Our OSU will never be competitive with tOSU and etc. etc. etc.. |
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 12, 2017 17:49:56 GMT -8
Hey Mike Good to see you My answer to this thread is simple Cut our losses if we lose and/or play badly at WSU. Fan base has no energy. Team mentally is not there. Set the table for.... Hire Jonathon Smith. Alum, overachiever, smart. He's ready to lead us out of the wilderness with a great offense 2nd Hire - Unretire Dennis Erickson. Let him be the "Special Envoy" like he did do at ASU. He can mentor JS and help in hiring coaches Finally: Get the SWAGGER BACK! So a first time HC just because he coached here, and an 80 year old retread. SMH. Oh well, I'm glad you guys aren't charge. Back to this Oban. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 7:03:14 GMT -8
Hey Mike Good to see you My answer to this thread is simple Cut our losses if we lose and/or play badly at WSU. Fan base has no energy. Team mentally is not there. Set the table for.... Hire Jonathon Smith. Alum, overachiever, smart. He's ready to lead us out of the wilderness with a great offense 2nd Hire - Unretire Dennis Erickson. Let him be the "Special Envoy" like he did do at ASU. He can mentor JS and help in hiring coaches Finally: Get the SWAGGER BACK! So a first time HC just because he coached here, and an 80 year old retread. SMH. Oh well, I'm glad you guys aren't charge. Back to this Oban. Ugh, Oban 14 is undrinkable swill! It is probably just me, as many people love it... but it gives me a terrible chemical aftertaste. Seeing how it is like $80, I was pretty put out by that. and again, hiring JS wouldn't be "just because he played here". that is simply the bonus you can build around. He actually has a really good resume and has proven himself capable in something we desperately need: QB development. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 13, 2017 10:51:19 GMT -8
whoa.........Oban is super duper! i even like it over Lagavulin 16! but, yes. it's all expensive. so, i got my go-to costco jug of johnny walker black!
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 11:22:17 GMT -8
No way in Hell JS as head coach could be worse than the present train wreck.
I know it's not the same, but the Ducks took a gamble on a no name guy from the NE. That worked out pretty well for them.
Mark my words JS will be a great head coach, if it's somewhere else 6 years from now we will all be saying ... Man, we shoulda, coulda, wish we woulda
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2017 11:32:32 GMT -8
No way in Hell JS as head coach could be worse than the present train wreck. I know it's not the same, but the Ducks took a gamble on a no name guy from the NE. That worked out pretty well for them. Mark my words JS will be a great head coach, if it's somewhere else 6 years from now we will all be saying ... Man, we shoulda, coulda, wish we woulda If you're talking about CK and the ducks, he was brought in as a coordinator, not a head coach. I'd take JS as an OC in a heartbeat. Thus far he hasn't been THE guy to turn around a team's fortunes and OSU is going to need a coach that can do that. If the Beavs were to go out and hire a coordinator for a coach I'd put JS behind Beau Baldwin. JS will be a good HC somewhere down the line, not sure he'll make the jump to a power 5 school right away though. |
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 13, 2017 11:37:45 GMT -8
So a first time HC just because he coached here, and an 80 year old retread. SMH. Oh well, I'm glad you guys aren't charge. Back to this Oban. Ugh, Oban 14 is undrinkable swill! It is probably just me, as many people love it... but it gives me a terrible chemical aftertaste. Seeing how it is like $80, I was pretty put out by that. and again, hiring JS wouldn't be "just because he played here". that is simply the bonus you can build around. He actually has a really good resume and has proven himself capable in something we desperately need: QB development. 2 for $120 here in Austin. Buddy and I went in. |
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 11:38:30 GMT -8
No way in Hell JS as head coach could be worse than the present train wreck. I know it's not the same, but the Ducks took a gamble on a no name guy from the NE. That worked out pretty well for them. Mark my words JS will be a great head coach, if it's somewhere else 6 years from now we will all be saying ... Man, we shoulda, coulda, wish we woulda If you're talking about CK and the ducks, he was brought in as a coordinator, not a head coach. I'd take JS as an OC in a heartbeat. Thus far he hasn't been THE guy to turn around a team's fortunes and OSU is going to need a coach that can do that. If the Beavs were to go out and hire a coordinator for a coach I'd put JS behind Beau Baldwin. JS will be a good HC somewhere down the line, not sure he'll make the jump to a power 5 school right away though. I said I know it's not the same! Still had to have balls enough to roll the dice |
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Post by rob85 on Sept 13, 2017 12:03:58 GMT -8
Niner is not coming to OSU as an OC, don't see him going anywhere else as an OC. Why would he?
Would he be a good HC here? Don't know, but I'm guessing he would be better than current coach. I see his familiarity with OSU as a huge plus, his resume as an OC is great, the only thing he lacks is HC experience. If he goes to a mid-major program and succeeds, OSU might not get a short at him. If Beavs want to roll the dice with him, I wouldn't wait. No clue if that's the right move, but I would welcome it.
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