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Post by 93beav on Sept 10, 2017 19:43:04 GMT -8
You can be tough, firm and still supportive at the same time. Since I'm not in the locker room I don't know what GA exhibits when he's around the players. I would hope he's not just constantly ripping them a new one. You set expectations and if they fail you give them the tools to succeed but you don't necessarily have to coddle them.
I'm okay with a tough coach as long as at the end of the day they're cheering on the people that work/try hard, whether they succeed or fail.
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Post by 56chevy on Sept 10, 2017 19:43:28 GMT -8
I would suspect at this moment he is being harder on himself than anyone else. He knows it is his team, with his coaches and his players. I've not seen a lot of tail chewing by him on game day. Are there some specific moments you are referencing? If so could you include the player and general time frame? I don't want to watch the telecast again.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 10, 2017 19:51:17 GMT -8
I would suspect at this moment he is being harder on himself than anyone else. He knows it is his team, with his coaches and his players. I've not seen a lot of tail chewing by him on game day. Are there some specific moments you are referencing? If so could you include the player and general time frame? I don't want to watch the telecast again. Hmm... u have a good point. If CGA is being harder on himself than anyone, than surly he must know like the rest of us on here who are clarmoring for Gary to fire his coaching staff on here that he should, or may haft to fire his Offensive coach and Defensive coaches soon, right? Cuz Gary should certainly be able to see the obvious that even we see that needs to be done with the team.
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Post by dK on Sept 10, 2017 19:52:44 GMT -8
Life is tough, people will accuse ya of all sorts of crap, just gotta tough up and deal with it or fight it. Oh and u can make ur hands tougher btw, it's called getting calluses on ur hands and feet from working really really hard. And tbh I like a boss that drives is employees hard, makes everyone work harder, I don't like a soft sappy boss. I like a hard noses nose, makes it feel all that much more professional and real, not like something that feels like a daycare job where they coddle ya. Oh and there r a lot of jobs out there where the bosses don't build up their employees for success. Don't like it? Tough, that's life. Not all jobs r kind and coddling to their employees. LOL Life lessons from the sage BeaverNut23 I think I also like a real and professional hard noses nose. They are few and far between these days. I hd to lk up a bnch of the lzy txt wrds tho.
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Post by 56chevy on Sept 10, 2017 20:01:12 GMT -8
I would suspect at this moment he is being harder on himself than anyone else. He knows it is his team, with his coaches and his players. I've not seen a lot of tail chewing by him on game day. Are there some specific moments you are referencing? If so could you include the player and general time frame? I don't want to watch the telecast again. Hmm... u have a good point. If CGA is being harder on himself than anyone, than surly he must know like the rest of us on here who are clarmoring for Gary to fire his coaching staff on here that he should, or may haft to fire his Offensive coach and Defensive coaches soon, right? Cuz Gary should certainly be able to see the obvious that even we see that needs to be done with the team. At this point he should do whatever he thinks gives his team it's best chance to win next week. Firing coaches during a season rarely gives you a better chance of winning the following week. It's generally done in an attempt to hold onto the fan base or to bring in some new blood that would help with recruiting.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 10, 2017 20:03:58 GMT -8
If I beat my hand with a hammer will it make my hand tougher? Geez, if your boss gave you a job to do without the right tools to get it done and then chewed your ass in front of your coworkers and accused you of doing a horrible job because you didn't get it done. You're fine with that? If so, you're spineless, or really desperate to keep that job. What you wouldn't be, or do I should say, is magically get the job done because he shouted you down and treated you like a subject even if that's the treatment you respond best to. I don't care how tough guy your boss is, if he's not setting you up for success and constantly chewing your ass for failure, his act is gonna wear thin real quick. A guy like that sounds more interested in keeping you down than propping you up. I assume most would give a boss like that the middle finger eventually. Life is tough, people will accuse ya of all sorts of crap, just gotta tough up and deal with it or fight it. Oh and u can make ur hands tougher btw, it's called getting calluses on ur hands and feet from working really really hard. And tbh I like a boss that drives is employees hard, makes everyone work harder, I don't like a soft sappy boss. I like a hard noses nose, makes it feel all that much more professional and real, not like something that feels like a daycare job where they coddle ya. Oh and there r a lot of jobs out there where the bosses don't build up their employees for success. Don't like it? Tough, that's life. Not all jobs r kind and coddling to their employees. I know lots of people including myself who have never been accused of "all sorts of crap" so I'm not following you on that, but don't discount happens. I also don't doubt there are people who will slack off until being yelled at and for some odd reason find comfort in having a domineering figure looking over them. I would think a tough guy would be more independent than that, but what do I know??? Well I do know you will not get calluses by beating your hand with a hammer, you will get broken bones unless you're a wimp and don't hit your hand hard enough with the hammer. Apparently you see bosses/coaches in two extremes. It's either a know nothing hard ass who can't figure out how to get people to do their jobs better so he screams and yells at them, or it's the soft touchy feely boss who also can't figure out how to get anyone to do their jobs, but is to afraid to offend anyone so lets them just do whatever the f*&^k they want. Please allow me to open your eyes to a third type of boss/coach. One who doesn't need to scream or yell to command respect. One who quickly earns the trust of his employees/players and one who actually sets you up for success and brings out the best in you through by communication, teaching, and triggering an inner desire to give it your all on your accord, not because your afraid to be yelled at. I'm sorry you haven't had the good fortune to experience such a coach/boss and will count my blessings for having had several.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 10, 2017 20:13:46 GMT -8
I would suspect at this moment he is being harder on himself than anyone else. He knows it is his team, with his coaches and his players. I've not seen a lot of tail chewing by him on game day. Are there some specific moments you are referencing? If so could you include the player and general time frame? I don't want to watch the telecast again. Perhaps, maybe not. Have you ever witness someone that no matter what happens or goes wrong it's always someone else's fault? Wish I could think of an example, but I'm drawing a blank (huge eye roll)
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Post by gotmilk on Sept 10, 2017 20:15:16 GMT -8
I do remember CGA choking down tears and saying I love my kids after civil war last year. And many recruits talk about the family atmosphere. And last year's team DID play hard down the stretch. CGA has won everywhere he has been. I still think it comes down to his inability to handle the QB situation and losing 3M was a huge blow. TO me it is the only thing that adds up. He clearly has no clue on handling QB dating back to year one with badgers, and maybe before and every single year here.
They do not have any offensive identity, cohesion, or perseverance, they try to establish nothing during the game, quit on the run, throw passes that don't have snowballs chance of working, and then try something else for the next 3 and out.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 10, 2017 20:29:41 GMT -8
I do remember CGA choking down tears and saying I love my kids after civil war last year. And many recruits talk about the family atmosphere. And last year's team DID play hard down the stretch. CGA has won everywhere he has been. I still think it comes down to his inability to handle the QB situation and losing 3M was a huge blow. TO me it is the only thing that adds up. He clearly has no clue on handling QB dating back to year one with badgers, and maybe before and every single year here. They do not have any offensive identity, cohesion, or perseverance, they try to establish nothing during the game, quit on the run, throw passes that don't have snowballs chance of working, and then try something else for the next 3 and out. His heart may very well be in the right place, that's a good part of why I really hope he can turn it around. What I have seen so far, as far as QB and offensive style selection goes, "trust the process" is more of a slogan than an actual system/process. There have been sooooooo many changes I have to wonder if there was a cohesive plan. A little alteration or tweaking is fine, but it seems to me there hasn't been a cohesive direction at times.
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 10, 2017 20:40:49 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Riley, in many ways, was a family man, a father figure, a mentor, a good friend, and a coach last. CGA appears to embody little of this. IMHO, it seems like the halftime "talks" are a completely belittling these young men. Like they're being scolded for what they did wrong in the first half and then sent back out to "do the job right" in the second half. The stats in the third quarter alone are staggering. Whatever Gary is doing at the half needs to totally stop.
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 10, 2017 21:08:28 GMT -8
I do remember CGA choking down tears and saying I love my kids after civil war last year. And many recruits talk about the family atmosphere. And last year's team DID play hard down the stretch. CGA has won everywhere he has been. I still think it comes down to his inability to handle the QB situation and losing 3M was a huge blow. TO me it is the only thing that adds up. He clearly has no clue on handling QB dating back to year one with badgers, and maybe before and every single year here. They do not have any offensive identity, cohesion, or perseverance, they try to establish nothing during the game, quit on the run, throw passes that don't have snowballs chance of working, and then try something else for the next 3 and out. I have harped on this from day 1. Gary doesn't know s%#t about Qbs
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Post by gotmilk on Sept 11, 2017 9:00:29 GMT -8
I have harped on this from day 1. Gary doesn't know s%#t about Qbs He has to know enough to hire the guy that does. CR is done being a head coach because he couldn't hire the X and O guy. He was a great spokesman, recruiter, just not a strategist at all zero, zilch in that department. Part of being a head coach is realizing where you need to help and what you are best at. Kind of like running anything. Hell PJ Fleck doesn't even coach, he motivates and recruits, and hires the best coordinators he can and gets out their way. Even Phil Jackson had Tex. CGA needs to do that like in 2015.
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Post by rollotomasi on Sept 11, 2017 9:29:23 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) This is why Russia lost the Cold War.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 11, 2017 10:01:53 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Oregon state needs a Petersen. They need a coach that is an expert at getting the most out of their players. an expert at teaching fundamentals and having a sound football team. A coach that is not married to an offense or a defense, but is willing to do whatever it is that works the best. Because Oregon State will always be at the bottom in overall recruiting. We will get a stud here and there. a gem. but top to bottom we are going to have to embrace being the little engine that could. You cannot walk into Oregon state and run some s%#tty high school offense that DEMANDS you are bigger, faster and stronger to work. In the end, that is what Andersen is doing. Running a simplistic spread sort of something that requires OL wins at the line, the WR be faster, the RBs be stronger. We will never ever, ever win this way. Same on defense. it comes back to needing a Petersen. His brain. he beat big dogs at Boise State with a team of 2 star talent because he put them all in positions to win. Because he works with simple, no nonsense philosophies. His guiding light on offense isn't spread versus pro... or read option and shotgun and all that. It is numbers, leverage and green. Run to where you have more blockers. pass to where you have more green. use routes to get other players open. Same on defense. attack where you have numbers. Eliminate the green, protect against rub routes, etc. Petersen is a guy that is overall more successful doing what Riley was trying to do here. Win by being better at fundamentals. Win by out-scheming the opponent. Win by outsmarting them. Because we will never be bigger, faster and stronger top to bottom consistently. Oregon State needs a coach that can put a team of fundamentally sound, smart players on the field. That alone, with the talent a division 1 Power 5 program can attract, is usually enough to win half your games.
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Post by hawksea on Sept 11, 2017 10:44:47 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Oregon state needs a Petersen. They need a coach that is an expert at getting the most out of their players. an expert at teaching fundamentals and having a sound football team. A coach that is not married to an offense or a defense, but is willing to do whatever it is that works the best. Because Oregon State will always be at the bottom in overall recruiting. We will get a stud here and there. a gem. but top to bottom we are going to have to embrace being the little engine that could. You cannot walk into Oregon state and run some s%#tty high school offense that DEMANDS you are bigger, faster and stronger to work. In the end, that is what Andersen is doing. Running a simplistic spread sort of something that requires OL wins at the line, the WR be faster, the RBs be stronger. We will never ever, ever win this way. Same on defense. it comes back to needing a Petersen. His brain. he beat big dogs at Boise State with a team of 2 star talent because he put them all in positions to win. Because he works with simple, no nonsense philosophies. His guiding light on offense isn't spread versus pro... or read option and shotgun and all that. It is numbers, leverage and green. Run to where you have more blockers. pass to where you have more green. use routes to get other players open. Same on defense. attack where you have numbers. Eliminate the green, protect against rub routes, etc. Petersen is a guy that is overall more successful doing what Riley was trying to do here. Win by being better at fundamentals. Win by out-scheming the opponent. Win by outsmarting them. Because we will never be bigger, faster and stronger top to bottom consistently. Oregon State needs a coach that can put a team of fundamentally sound, smart players on the field. That alone, with the talent a division 1 Power 5 program can attract, is usually enough to win half your games. Jonathan Smith would be perfect.
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