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Post by orangeattack on Sept 11, 2017 11:05:42 GMT -8
Oregon state needs a Petersen. They need a coach that is an expert at getting the most out of their players. an expert at teaching fundamentals and having a sound football team. A coach that is not married to an offense or a defense, but is willing to do whatever it is that works the best. Because Oregon State will always be at the bottom in overall recruiting. We will get a stud here and there. a gem. but top to bottom we are going to have to embrace being the little engine that could. You cannot walk into Oregon state and run some s%#tty high school offense that DEMANDS you are bigger, faster and stronger to work. In the end, that is what Andersen is doing. Running a simplistic spread sort of something that requires OL wins at the line, the WR be faster, the RBs be stronger. We will never ever, ever win this way. Same on defense. it comes back to needing a Petersen. His brain. he beat big dogs at Boise State with a team of 2 star talent because he put them all in positions to win. Because he works with simple, no nonsense philosophies. His guiding light on offense isn't spread versus pro... or read option and shotgun and all that. It is numbers, leverage and green. Run to where you have more blockers. pass to where you have more green. use routes to get other players open. Same on defense. attack where you have numbers. Eliminate the green, protect against rub routes, etc. Petersen is a guy that is overall more successful doing what Riley was trying to do here. Win by being better at fundamentals. Win by out-scheming the opponent. Win by outsmarting them. Because we will never be bigger, faster and stronger top to bottom consistently. Oregon State needs a coach that can put a team of fundamentally sound, smart players on the field. That alone, with the talent a division 1 Power 5 program can attract, is usually enough to win half your games. Jonathan Smith would be perfect. Smitty is going to have one whale of a resume when this is over. Played under Mike Riley. Played under Dennis Erickson. Coached under Dennis Erickson, Mike Riley, and Chris Petersen. He's Co-OC and QB coach at UW... probably needs some seasoning running the offense all by himself somewhere, whether that is Washington or not. But at 38 he's starting to become a legitimate head coaching candidate for a small school somewhere, or in a couple more years if he gets sole control of the offense, possibly a P5 school looking to take a chance on a hot young coach.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2017 11:18:10 GMT -8
Oregon state needs a Petersen. They need a coach that is an expert at getting the most out of their players. an expert at teaching fundamentals and having a sound football team. A coach that is not married to an offense or a defense, but is willing to do whatever it is that works the best. Because Oregon State will always be at the bottom in overall recruiting. We will get a stud here and there. a gem. but top to bottom we are going to have to embrace being the little engine that could. You cannot walk into Oregon state and run some s%#tty high school offense that DEMANDS you are bigger, faster and stronger to work. In the end, that is what Andersen is doing. Running a simplistic spread sort of something that requires OL wins at the line, the WR be faster, the RBs be stronger. We will never ever, ever win this way. Same on defense. it comes back to needing a Petersen. His brain. he beat big dogs at Boise State with a team of 2 star talent because he put them all in positions to win. Because he works with simple, no nonsense philosophies. His guiding light on offense isn't spread versus pro... or read option and shotgun and all that. It is numbers, leverage and green. Run to where you have more blockers. pass to where you have more green. use routes to get other players open. Same on defense. attack where you have numbers. Eliminate the green, protect against rub routes, etc. Petersen is a guy that is overall more successful doing what Riley was trying to do here. Win by being better at fundamentals. Win by out-scheming the opponent. Win by outsmarting them. Because we will never be bigger, faster and stronger top to bottom consistently. Oregon State needs a coach that can put a team of fundamentally sound, smart players on the field. That alone, with the talent a division 1 Power 5 program can attract, is usually enough to win half your games. Jonathan Smith would be perfect. Jonathan would be perfect for a small school so far. He needs to run the offense by himself at a major school and be a HC somewhere before a power 5 school seriously considers him as a HC
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 11, 2017 11:22:59 GMT -8
Jonathan Smith would be perfect. Smitty is going to have one whale of a resume when this is over. Played under Mike Riley. Played under Dennis Erickson. Coached under Dennis Erickson, Mike Riley, and Chris Petersen. He's Co-OC and QB coach at UW... probably needs some seasoning running the offense all by himself somewhere, whether that is Washington or not. But at 38 he's starting to become a legitimate head coaching candidate for a small school somewhere, or in a couple more years if he gets sole control of the offense, possibly a P5 school looking to take a chance on a hot young coach. That school should be us. what is the harm? We will be strapped for cash in the worse way when this CGA train finally plummets off the cliff. We won't be able to get a big name. We will have to dangle a lowish, heavily incentive laden contract at Smitty and hope the allure of returning to his home town school to save it is enough. I believe he can be a guy. There has never been any doubt he is a sharp football mind. He has had exposures to multiple offensive and defensive schemes. as a former QB and QB coach the great advantage he carries is spending all his time understanding how a defense is trying to stop his guy, and coaching his guy to recognize that. OC at a big time school, in the Pac-12 has immediate knowledge OF the pac-12 and how to recruit to the PNW. Coaching one of the best young QBs in the nation. His time is coming, we should be the first to strike. I am all aboard the Niner hype train. the sooner the better. (of course, that would mean Scott Barnes has to fire his BFF, which won't happen until Ray makes it happen... but one can hope).
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 11, 2017 11:25:16 GMT -8
Well since we're talking on what coaches that would be avalobe to come here and whatnot, I had a talk with a fellow Beaver fan on Instagram, and he mentioned two former coaches that have some pretty good results on offense. Though hearing the names may make a good majority of us cringe with pure immediate rejection, hatred or dista:te for them. But... what if, IF mind you, osu wer to hire Mark Helfrich and Chip Kelly for head coach and offensive coach?... I mean... we have a former duck HB right now, so like why not hire two former duck head coaches for a OC and head coach?
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 11, 2017 11:25:25 GMT -8
Jonathan Smith would be perfect. Smitty is going to have one whale of a resume when this is over. Played under Mike Riley. Played under Dennis Erickson. Coached under Dennis Erickson, Mike Riley, and Chris Petersen. He's Co-OC and QB coach at UW... probably needs some seasoning running the offense all by himself somewhere, whether that is Washington or not. But at 38 he's starting to become a legitimate head coaching candidate for a small school somewhere, or in a couple more years if he gets sole control of the offense, possibly a P5 school looking to take a chance on a hot young coach. I certainly would take my chances now, may not get a chance later. Someone else will have him after he's "proven"
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 11, 2017 11:34:13 GMT -8
Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) This is why Russia lost the Cold War. *USSR
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Post by rockybeav on Sept 11, 2017 12:14:21 GMT -8
Smitty is going to have one whale of a resume when this is over. Played under Mike Riley. Played under Dennis Erickson. Coached under Dennis Erickson, Mike Riley, and Chris Petersen. He's Co-OC and QB coach at UW... probably needs some seasoning running the offense all by himself somewhere, whether that is Washington or not. But at 38 he's starting to become a legitimate head coaching candidate for a small school somewhere, or in a couple more years if he gets sole control of the offense, possibly a P5 school looking to take a chance on a hot young coach. I certainly would take my chances now, may not get a chance later. Someone else will have him after he's "proven" I think it's worth the chance. As you mentioned, he's played for and learned from some great offensive minds. In 10 years (or maybe even 5) it's possible we would never be able to afford him. The biggest skill he needs is the ability to hire a good OC, DC, and position coaches. If he can do that, I'm confident he would do great.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2017 13:06:32 GMT -8
This is why Russia lost the Cold War. *USSR This is getting into a lot of semantics. Arguably, the true loser of the Cold War was everyone on both sides, as well as the proxy governments that were propped up by one side or the other, as well as the people of such countries. More specifically, however, the loser of the Cold War was the Warsaw Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance, i.e. the Warsaw Pact nations. The undisputed kingpin of the Warsaw Pact was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR. However, the undisputed kingpin of the nominally independent Soviet Socialist Republics was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, which comprised 76.62% of the area of the USSR (more than six times larger than the second largest Soviet Socialist Republic) and contained the Supreme Soviet. This Republic was a continuation of the Russian Empire, which was merely an outgrowth of an unimportant 13th century trading outpost that originally was christened the Grand Duchy of Moscow, which can be traced back basically without interruption to at least 1293. This Republic was the last of the 15 Soviet Socialist Republics to leave the USSR but did so after Kazakhstan declared its independence on December 10, 1991. This Republic was subsequently renamed the Russian Federation. (It should be noted that only its name changed at that time. It still operated as the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic until December 25, 1993, when a new constitution was ratified.)
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 11, 2017 13:08:30 GMT -8
I dunno.. There is such a thing as needing a certain level of experience before you can be trusted to run a program. Unless you're going to throw off the "CEO" mantle and be the offensive coordinator as well as HC, it will be hard to command respect of the troops(staff) or really have a good handle on how to manage the program at that level.
I know I like to make lots of boxing metaphors but this one fits again.. you want to bring your fighter along giving them gradual, progressively more difficult trials. Shocking your fighter, no matter how promising, before they've learned how to fight through wars, can often break them, derail their trajectory or even ruin them.
Taking over this program is not a task for the faint of heart.
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Post by hawksea on Sept 11, 2017 13:13:48 GMT -8
Jonathan Smith would be perfect. Smitty is going to have one whale of a resume when this is over. Played under Mike Riley. Played under Dennis Erickson. Coached under Dennis Erickson, Mike Riley, and Chris Petersen. He's Co-OC and QB coach at UW... probably needs some seasoning running the offense all by himself somewhere, whether that is Washington or not. But at 38 he's starting to become a legitimate head coaching candidate for a small school somewhere, or in a couple more years if he gets sole control of the offense, possibly a P5 school looking to take a chance on a hot young coach. As others have now said, I think we might as well take a shot on him. We won't have very much money to afford a coach, and he is a hot young talent who could be fairly cheap, and would bring the fan base back into the stadium. He could hire a veteran OC, and bring in solid DC as well (or give Trent Bray a shot, I think he is ready to be a DC). Smith can build the program up the correct way with what he has learned from 3 very good coaches. Another possibility is to bring back Riley for pennies when he is fired by Nebraska...
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 11, 2017 13:14:21 GMT -8
Smiths not a pansy, I'm sure he wears big boy pants.
Could he be any more of a cluster than the present situation? At the very least he could coach the QB's
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2017 13:21:45 GMT -8
Heck, why stop at Jonathan. We should hire Lyle Moevao. He's tough, got a killer smile, gets along with others well, obviously he's on an upward track... we should get him while we can.
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Post by hawksea on Sept 11, 2017 13:29:41 GMT -8
Heck, why stop at Jonathan. We should hire Lyle Moevao. He's tough, got a killer smile, gets along with others well, obviously he's on an upward track... we should get him while we can. Except Moevao hasn't been a QB coach/Co-OC for one of the top coaches in NCAA football. I would consider Smith to be a real possibility to become a HC in the next couple of years if not next year.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 11, 2017 13:54:02 GMT -8
Heck, why stop at Jonathan. We should hire Lyle Moevao. He's tough, got a killer smile, gets along with others well, obviously he's on an upward track... we should get him while we can. Except Moevao hasn't been a QB coach/Co-OC for one of the top coaches in NCAA football. I would consider Smith to be a real possibility to become a HC in the next couple of years if not next year. Typically guys don't leap right from co-OC to Head Coach is what everybody is trying to say. He's operating with a net at this level still, we need to see how he does when he has the driver's seat to the offensive side of the ball - not position coach plus co-driver duties. I think we all agree that he has a bright future but he's a couple steps away on the ladder from P5 HC duties.
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Post by biggieorange on Sept 11, 2017 14:06:59 GMT -8
Except Moevao hasn't been a QB coach/Co-OC for one of the top coaches in NCAA football. I would consider Smith to be a real possibility to become a HC in the next couple of years if not next year. Typically guys don't leap right from co-OC to Head Coach is what everybody is trying to say. He's operating with a net at this level still, we need to see how he does when he has the driver's seat to the offensive side of the ball - not position coach plus co-driver duties. I think we all agree that he has a bright future but he's a couple steps away on the ladder from P5 HC duties. Plus it's a BIG Deal to start being a CEO of a program. Hiring and firing is quite difficult. Ask Gary
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