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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 13:43:39 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry.
It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them.
If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity.
Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked.
If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK.
I want the fun put back into Beaver Football.
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Post by jwcole on Sept 10, 2017 15:44:47 GMT -8
Well Said!!
I never fully understood the anti-Riley crowd, but I did welcome the change when Mr. Andersen took the job. For nothing else than to explore the possibilities of a new coach.
You know it's been 22 years since OSU had a one win season and I really don't see another win this year. This exploration has reached the end of the Earth and we fell off.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 10, 2017 16:01:56 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson)
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Post by thebeaverstate on Sept 10, 2017 16:04:48 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Riley, in many ways, was a family man, a father figure, a mentor, a good friend, and a coach last. CGA appears to embody little of this. IMHO, it seems like the halftime "talks" are a completely belittling these young men. Like they're being scolded for what they did wrong in the first half and then sent back out to "do the job right" in the second half.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 16:20:21 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) On the one hand, I agree with what you are saying, and there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that it works. That's what I thought CGA would bring to the Beavers. Toughness. Hardness. Especially the mental fortitude that I think the Beavers lacked under Riley. I'd still like to see this. But I wonder if it is feasible at this point at OSU. We are not known as a powerhouse team. We don't get the best recruits. Somehow we have to make-do with the players we have. And more than just make-do, we need to win with them. That means getting them to perform above expectations. Getting the most for your money. I am certain that there are talented coaches who can do this with a tough-love approach. PJ Fleck's gimmick was about unity, it seems, and it works--at least against us. Riley does the family bit and gets his players to love and respect him. Maybe it is still early, but I don't hear that sort of talk about Andersen--or more importantly-- from Andersen.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 10, 2017 16:28:33 GMT -8
Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) On the one hand, I agree with what you are saying, and there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that it works. That's what I thought CGA would bring to the Beavers. Toughness. Hardness. Especially the mental fortitude that I think the Beavers lacked under Riley. I'd still like to see this. But I wonder if it is feasible at this point at OSU. We are not known as a powerhouse team. We don't get the best recruits. Somehow we have to make-do with the players we have. And more than just make-do, we need to win with them. That means getting them to perform above expectations. Getting the most for your money. I am certain that there are talented coaches who can do this with a tough-love approach. PJ Fleck's gimmick was about unity, it seems, and it works--at least against us. Riley does the family bit and gets his players to love and respect him. Maybe it is still early, but I don't hear that sort of talk about Andersen--or more importantly-- from Andersen. Yeah, and this year ever since the departure of 3M seems like there a lot of drama In the locker room that has destroyed the team chemistry between coaches and players, I just hope when Seth Collins returns he can hype up the team when coming out to play in the second half.
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Post by badwack on Sept 10, 2017 16:31:39 GMT -8
Let's be real! The coach better well have a great personality. Bottom line, if you can't find talent and recruit everyone is kidding themselves if they think we will ever have a Winning Program. So as long as we are battling the for also ran recruits we are going nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 16:31:43 GMT -8
On the one hand, I agree with what you are saying, and there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that it works. That's what I thought CGA would bring to the Beavers. Toughness. Hardness. Especially the mental fortitude that I think the Beavers lacked under Riley. I'd still like to see this. But I wonder if it is feasible at this point at OSU. We are not known as a powerhouse team. We don't get the best recruits. Somehow we have to make-do with the players we have. And more than just make-do, we need to win with them. That means getting them to perform above expectations. Getting the most for your money. I am certain that there are talented coaches who can do this with a tough-love approach. PJ Fleck's gimmick was about unity, it seems, and it works--at least against us. Riley does the family bit and gets his players to love and respect him. Maybe it is still early, but I don't hear that sort of talk about Andersen--or more importantly-- from Andersen. Yeah, and this year ever since the departure of 3M seems like there a lot of drama In the locker room that has destroyed the team chemistry between coaches and players, I just hope when Seth Collins returns he can hype up the team when coming out to play in the second half. It's a nice hope, but don't lay that burden on Seth. He's just one guy and this has the markings of a meltdown.
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 10, 2017 17:18:30 GMT -8
I have zero inside info on how GA relates to players but from his press conference demeanor and strange handling of some players like Mcm I have a hunch he is erratic in dealing with players that might not be something that makes a cohesive unit and I think it shows
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 10, 2017 18:10:02 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Riley, in many ways, was a family man, a father figure, a mentor, a good friend, and a coach last. CGA appears to embody little of this. IMHO, it seems like the halftime "talks" are a completely belittling these young men. Like they're being scolded for what they did wrong in the first half and then sent back out to "do the job right" in the second half. "IMHO, it seems like the halftime "talks" are a completely belittling these young men. Like they're being scolded for what they did wrong in the first half and then sent back out to "do the job right" in the second half." Curious how you know what the talks are like. Are you in the locker room? Know a player?
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 10, 2017 19:01:35 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) I'm all for chewing some ass if it's deserved. But, the coaches need to look in the mirror and make sure they are doing everything they can to put those kids in the best position to succeed before they do.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 10, 2017 19:07:10 GMT -8
It's interesting to see the coaching styles of MR and CGA. Smiling Mike made everybody happy. But CGA seems always angry. It seems to me (and I'm no expert) that being angry all the time isn't going to work with a group of kids who are underperforming. These kids need to believe in themselves. They need to be supported. They need their coaches to believe in them. If you want kids to play above their ability--and we need them to--you can't bring them down. You've got to bring them up! And it has to have an element of fun to it or they will quit when they hit adversity. Our players are not playing like that. They don't seem to be having fun. They don't seem to be enjoying what they are doing. They don't appear to be playing loose and relaxed. Their energy seems to be constrained and blocked. If we get rid of CGA, that's fine. But I don't want another "tough" coach in the house. I want someone who cares about each kid and helps them grow to be better men and better ball players. If it means more mediocrity, that's OK. I want the fun put back into Beaver Football. Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) If I beat my hand with a hammer will it make my hand tougher? Geez, if your boss gave you a job to do without the right tools to get it done and then chewed your ass in front of your coworkers and accused you of doing a horrible job because you didn't get it done. You're fine with that? If so, you're spineless, or really desperate to keep that job. What you wouldn't do, is magically get the job done because he shouted you down and treated you like a subject even if that's the treatment you respond best to. I don't care how tough guy your boss is, if he's not setting you up for success and constantly chewing your ass for failure, his act is gonna wear thin real quick. I assume most would give a boss like that the middle finger eventually.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 10, 2017 19:14:04 GMT -8
Really? Idk bout that because if the players can't take a coach chewing there horrible performances and plays and can't self critique themselves to play a lot harder and better, then maybe football isn't their sport.... football is a rough tough sport, ur gunna get ur ass chewed out and ur gunna be feeling down after some losses or bad games whether you like it or not, if players can't take their little feelers getting hurt then they should go play a sport that coddles there soft frail feelers. I have always wanted a tough and hard barking coach at osu!(like a marine drill Sargent) I hate soft sappy coaches!! Soft sappy sparing feeler coaches make soft teams that play soft and afraid, hard tough barking coaches(should anyways) get the players in line and make em a tough smash mouth football team!(supposedly with Anderson) If I beat my hand with a hammer will it make my hand tougher? Geez, if your boss gave you a job to do without the right tools to get it done and then chewed your ass in front of your coworkers and accused you of doing a horrible job because you didn't get it done. You're fine with that? If so, you're spineless, or really desperate to keep that job. What you wouldn't be, or do I should say, is magically get the job done because he shouted you down and treated you like a subject even if that's the treatment you respond best to. I don't care how tough guy your boss is, if he's not setting you up for success and constantly chewing your ass for failure, his act is gonna wear thin real quick. A guy like that sounds more interested in keeping you down than propping you up. I assume most would give a boss like that the middle finger eventually. Life is tough, people will accuse ya of all sorts of crap, just gotta tough up and deal with it or fight it. Oh and u can make ur hands tougher btw, it's called getting calluses on ur hands and feet from working really really hard. And tbh I like a boss that drives is employees hard, makes everyone work harder, I don't like a soft sappy boss. I like a hard noses nose, makes it feel all that much more professional and real, not like something that feels like a daycare job where they coddle ya. Oh and there r a lot of jobs out there where the bosses don't build up their employees for success. Don't like it? Tough, that's life. Not all jobs r kind and coddling to their employees.
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Post by 56chevy on Sept 10, 2017 19:18:36 GMT -8
There is no single right type of temperament for a coach. Two of the greatest of all time, Lombardi and Shula couldn't have been more different in their temperament and approach. At this point, I'm glad that Anderson comes across as intense and pissed.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 10, 2017 19:30:29 GMT -8
There is no single right type of temperament for a coach. Two of the greatest of all time, Lombardi and Shula couldn't have been more different in their temperament and approach. At this point, I'm glad that Anderson comes across as intense and pissed. Hope he has a mirror and chews the guy looking at him as much as he does his players
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