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Post by touchdownbeavers on Sept 3, 2017 11:55:34 GMT -8
Marcus McMaryion 15 Games Played at OSU 128 Completions 237 Attempts 54.0 Completion Percentage 1,689 Yards 11 Touchdowns 8 Interceptions 122.4 QB Rating 45 Carries 93 Yards 2 TDs 2.2 Yards Per Carry I've looked at the stats for Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Jake Browning, Justin Herbert as well as some others. I have nothing to say critical of Marcus McMaryion's abilities as a quarterback, but I don't really think he was the "answer" to OSU 2017. Feel free to check out your own QBs. Check out whomever you like.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 12:30:38 GMT -8
The thing that bothers me most is we will never know the answer to that statement, and I think he deserved a shot, certainly not demoted to 3rd string. Andersen is no Tedford and he's proven he can't develop Qb's, until he proves me wrong I say 3M got screwed. To know the real reason you'd have to be a fly on the wall
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 12:46:14 GMT -8
No one... zero stated he was the "answer". He was the best QB with the best Pac12 stats (if you think that is all that matters in QB play) of anyone on the roster and deserved better treatment in the 2+ years thus staff was in charge. He and others have been treated with a lack of respect and in some cases, honesty.
No one with any smarts would argue we'd be 2-0, or would have beaten PSU worse. The point is and will continue to be the ineptness of this staff (led by GA) on so many levels.
My worse fear is that another 3-9 or worse season with a worsening attitude among the players will lead to more and more defections. Thus deepening the divide between OSU and becoming a regular bowl contender with a good vibe and reputation.
OSU will never attract a plethora of top tiered recruits on tradition alone. Hence, a positive school and locker room atmosphere and (for the lack of a better phrase) a "family feel" are essential to draw in kids and parents seeking more than just playoff or NFL careers.
Again, the 3M situation is just a symptom (ongoing) of something amiss is this program.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 14:25:27 GMT -8
Marcus McMaryion 15 Games Played at OSU 128 Completions 237 Attempts 54.0 Completion Percentage 1,689 Yards 11 Touchdowns 8 Interceptions 122.4 QB Rating 45 Carries 93 Yards 2 TDs 2.2 Yards Per Carry I've looked at the stats for Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Jake Browning, Justin Herbert as well as some others. I have nothing to say critical of Marcus McMaryion's abilities as a quarterback, but I don't really think he was the "answer" to OSU 2017. Feel free to check out your own QBs. Check out whomever you like.You shouldn't be including his 2015 stats. Those really bring his numbers down quite a bit. The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. Look at his numbers from the WSU and Arizona games. We hear a lot of people talk about "ceiling" when getting excited about Luton, but it's highly likely that Luton will never have two games as good as what McMaryion had in those two games. We're talking vs Pac-12 opponents, not FCS or group-of-five teams. None of the QBs you've listed (or any other QB to have played NCAA football in the last 5 years) has had a higher NCAA efficiency rating than McMaryion did vs a P5 team. Admittedly it's a flawed stat, but it is the official NCAA statistic. To be honest, it means more about how poorly our coaching staff handles QBs than it does about one guy. In reality, we would have been better off last year with Seth Collins remaining at QB than going to DG. Collins was better than DG as both a runner and a passer. That it took 2 injuries to get to our best player at the position should be embarrassing to the staff. The other piece is that McMaryion was the only QB on the roster who actually posed a "dual threat" ability. DG can't pass, and Luton can't run. SaveSave
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 3, 2017 14:35:28 GMT -8
The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile.
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He practiced with the "ones" every single day for the final six weeks of the 2016 season.
He did not outperform Seth Collins in 2015. He was terrible in his early games; Collins, who played in almost every goal-line situation, and Nall carried him in the CW game.
And there is no way to determine if he would outperform Luton this season, since he is no longer here. Obviously the coaches felt he didn't, unless you want to believe they would willingly will sit McMaryion out of spite even though they believe gives them the best chance to win.
He had nice games against WSU,UA and UO last year, three of the Pac-12's worst defenses. He was not good against UCLA or Stanford. He was average against UW. He is not as good a runner as DG, who averaged two full yards more per carry last season. He is a better passer.
I'm sorry he left. But people need to stop treating him as if he was a reincarnation of Antwaan Randle El.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 14:50:24 GMT -8
Limited practice with the ones. Put in at bad times.... game one of his career he is put in and the coach calls a pass out in the flat, receiver bobbles it to a defender for a pick 6 - Demoted. After that he's put in at the end of games when the offense is already in trouble and gee it doesn't work out... 3rd and long is no time to come in and somehow fix what your starter set up all in one play.
All of t hose QBS the OP mentioned had weeks of practice with the ones before having to throw a pass in a live game situation. Completely different situations.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 15:06:22 GMT -8
Marcus McMaryion 15 Games Played at OSU 128 Completions 237 Attempts 54.0 Completion Percentage 1,689 Yards 11 Touchdowns 8 Interceptions 122.4 QB Rating 45 Carries 93 Yards 2 TDs 2.2 Yards Per Carry I've looked at the stats for Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Jake Browning, Justin Herbert as well as some others. I have nothing to say critical of Marcus McMaryion's abilities as a quarterback, but I don't really think he was the "answer" to OSU 2017. Feel free to check out your own QBs. Check out whomever you like.You shouldn't be including his 2015 stats. Those really bring his numbers down quite a bit. The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. Look at his numbers from the WSU and Arizona games. We hear a lot of people talk about "ceiling" when getting excited about Luton, but it's highly likely that Luton will never have two games as good as what McMaryion had in those two games. We're talking vs Pac-12 opponents, not FCS or group-of-five teams. None of the QBs you've listed (or any other QB to have played NCAA football in the last 5 years) has had a higher NCAA efficiency rating than McMaryion did vs a P5 team. Admittedly it's a flawed stat, but it is the official NCAA statistic. To be honest, it means more about how poorly our coaching staff handles QBs than it does about one guy. In reality, we would have been better off last year with Seth Collins remaining at QB than going to DG. Collins was better than DG as both a runner and a passer. That it took 2 injuries to get to our best player at the position should be embarrassing to the staff. The other piece is that McMaryion was the only QB on the roster who actually posed a "dual threat" ability. DG can't pass, and Luton can't run. SaveSaveOf course that would all assume we are still looking for the QB who... "can beat you in three ways, with his mind, his legs, and his arm". Not sure if we're in that system anymore
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 15:09:54 GMT -8
Limited practice with the ones. Put in at bad times.... game one of his career he is put in and the coach calls a pass out in the flat, receiver bobbles it to a defender for a pick 6 - Demoted. After that he's put in at the end of games when the offense is already in trouble and gee it doesn't work out... 3rd and long is no time to come in and somehow fix what your starter set up all in one play. All of t hose QBS the OP mentioned had weeks of practice with the ones before having to throw a pass in a live game situation. Completely different situations. *Not only a pass out in the flat on his first play under the new system, but I believe backed up on his own 3 yd line. And, if you were there or know the "story" was not informed it was his series until time to go in... zero warm up throws since pre-game. Benched and where the disgraceful treatment escalated. Teacher of men my arse!
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Post by omgclayaiken on Sept 3, 2017 16:03:48 GMT -8
I'm on board with the thought that Andersen botched this situation badly. Letting a JC guy come in off the street with no Pac-12 experience and handing him the job just seems pretty poor to me. At least wait until the season gets going and see how it goes for 3M, letting Luton get some chances here and there to prove himself in game situations seems a better option. 3M deserved better and so did our team. In both games so far we have lacked energy and desire and I can't help but think 3M leaving contributed to that. If he was a guy that the team looked to for motivation and as a leader, his absence explains a lot that has gone wrong so far.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 16:04:39 GMT -8
The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. ................. He practiced with the "ones" every single day for the final six weeks of the 2016 season. He did not outperform Seth Collins in 2015. He was terrible in his early games; Collins, who played in almost every goal-line situation, and Nall carried him in the CW game. And there is no way to determine if he would outperform Luton this season, since he is no longer here. Obviously the coaches felt he didn't, unless you want to believe they would willingly will sit McMaryion out of spite even though they believe gives them the best chance to win. He had nice games against WSU,UA and UO last year, three of the Pac-12's worst defenses. He was not good against UCLA or Stanford. He was average against UW. He is not as good a runner as DG, who averaged two full yards more per carry last season. He is a better passer. I'm sorry he left. But people need to stop treating him as if he was a reincarnation of Antwaan Randle El. You need to re-read. I said Collins was better than DG. If you watched the QBs last year, McMaryion was sitting either through spite or extreme incompetence. Neither is an appealing answer.
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 3, 2017 16:09:16 GMT -8
The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. ................. He practiced with the "ones" every single day for the final six weeks of the 2016 season. He did not outperform Seth Collins in 2015. He was terrible in his early games; Collins, who played in almost every goal-line situation, and Nall carried him in the CW game. And there is no way to determine if he would outperform Luton this season, since he is no longer here. Obviously the coaches felt he didn't, unless you want to believe they would willingly will sit McMaryion out of spite even though they believe gives them the best chance to win. He had nice games against WSU,UA and UO last year, three of the Pac-12's worst defenses. He was not good against UCLA or Stanford. He was average against UW. He is not as good a runner as DG, who averaged two full yards more per carry last season. He is a better passer. I'm sorry he left. But people need to stop treating him as if he was a reincarnation of Antwaan Randle El. "Don't count 2015..." Yeah, just count his good games. Bottom line is, he did get his chance and he didn't win the job. Does anyone really believe a coaching staff is going to play their "hand picked" qb over one that gives them a better chance to win? With their jobs and millions of dollars on the line if they don't win? Please.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 16:32:10 GMT -8
I'm on board with the thought that Andersen botched this situation badly. Letting a JC guy come in off the street with no Pac-12 experience and handing him the job just seems pretty poor to me. At least wait until the season gets going and see how it goes for 3M, letting Luton get some chances here and there to prove himself in game situations seems a better option. 3M deserved better and so did our team. In both games so far we have lacked energy and desire and I can't help but think 3M leaving contributed to that. If he was a guy that the team looked to for motivation and as a leader, his absence explains a lot that has gone wrong so far. He handed him the job? Huh. All along I thought he won it in the eyes of the coaches. Btw, why aren't we talking about the defense? That's the problem. Maybe the D was all broken up about 3M getting the shaft, focusing on that instead of their real problems. Not likely.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 16:33:55 GMT -8
I'm on board with the thought that Andersen botched this situation badly. Letting a JC guy come in off the street with no Pac-12 experience and handing him the job just seems pretty poor to me. At least wait until the season gets going and see how it goes for 3M, letting Luton get some chances here and there to prove himself in game situations seems a better option. 3M deserved better and so did our team. In both games so far we have lacked energy and desire and I can't help but think 3M leaving contributed to that. If he was a guy that the team looked to for motivation and as a leader, his absence explains a lot that has gone wrong so far. He handed him the job? Huh. All along I thought he won it in the eyes of the coaches. The issue most have... GA has been proven 'blind'!
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 16:35:43 GMT -8
He handed him the job? Huh. All along I thought he won it in the eyes of the coaches. The issue most have... GA has been proven 'blind'! Maybe so, not going to argue that. But that was their determination.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 16:40:46 GMT -8
I'm on board with the thought that Andersen botched this situation badly. Letting a JC guy come in off the street with no Pac-12 experience and handing him the job just seems pretty poor to me. At least wait until the season gets going and see how it goes for 3M, letting Luton get some chances here and there to prove himself in game situations seems a better option. 3M deserved better and so did our team. In both games so far we have lacked energy and desire and I can't help but think 3M leaving contributed to that. If he was a guy that the team looked to for motivation and as a leader, his absence explains a lot that has gone wrong so far. He handed him the job? Huh. All along I thought he won it in the eyes of the coaches. Btw, why aren't we talking about the defense? That's the problem. Maybe the D was all broken up about 3M getting the shaft, focusing on that instead of their real problems. Not likely. While I'm at it if either O or D is in a funk because of the 3M situation, Get over it! Toughen up! Get ready for real life where decisions in the business world are many times bizarre and unfair. Tough! You want to be a winner nut up and do your best. This kind of thing happens every day in the real world. This is a valuable lesson but it's time for them and the fans to move on. Geez, what bunch of candy asses to let something like that ruin a season. Time is of the essence. Get on with it! Go Beavers!
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