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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 3, 2017 16:57:15 GMT -8
Limited practice with the ones. Put in at bad times.... game one of his career he is put in and the coach calls a pass out in the flat, receiver bobbles it to a defender for a pick 6 - Demoted. After that he's put in at the end of games when the offense is already in trouble and gee it doesn't work out... 3rd and long is no time to come in and somehow fix what your starter set up all in one play. All of t hose QBS the OP mentioned had weeks of practice with the ones before having to throw a pass in a live game situation. Completely different situations. Thanks,
Seriously couldn't muster the energy to answer. Had McMaryion been handed the reigns from the get go OSU would have solid if not very good QB right now, and IMO one of the most effective in the Pac 12 by his Sr. year.
Edit, and again, nothing against Luton. From what I see from that kid he would be a really good QB with 4 or 5 years of Mike Riley coaching him up. This staff...he'll be developing organically.
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Post by gobeavs11 on Sept 3, 2017 17:34:32 GMT -8
Luton can actually run, the coaches just don't want to get him hurt because he is the only viable option. At Idaho they put him in as the running quarterback. He ran for 3 touchdowns in a game once at Idaho. All of you people need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize QB is not the issue with our team.. 3M was never a viable option at QB. Luton is the real deal, everything else around him needs to click.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:10:34 GMT -8
The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. ................. He practiced with the "ones" every single day for the final six weeks of the 2016 season. He did not outperform Seth Collins in 2015. He was terrible in his early games; Collins, who played in almost every goal-line situation, and Nall carried him in the CW game. And there is no way to determine if he would outperform Luton this season, since he is no longer here. Obviously the coaches felt he didn't, unless you want to believe they would willingly will sit McMaryion out of spite even though they believe gives them the best chance to win. He had nice games against WSU,UA and UO last year, three of the Pac-12's worst defenses. He was not good against UCLA or Stanford. He was average against UW. He is not as good a runner as DG, who averaged two full yards more per carry last season. He is a better passer. I'm sorry he left. But people need to stop treating him as if he was a reincarnation of Antwaan Randle El. "Don't count 2015..." Yeah, just count his good games. Bottom line is, he did get his chance and he didn't win the job. Does anyone really believe a coaching staff is going to play their "hand picked" qb over one that gives them a better chance to win? With their jobs and millions of dollars on the line if they don't win? Please. Well, which do you think was more relevant? The 1 game plus mop-up duty that 3M had at the end of 2015, or the way he played in the last half of 2016? Did you watch 2016? Was it not obvious to you which QB gave us a better chance to win? It was either spite, gross incompetence, arrogance, pride, or something. To people with eyeballs, it was obvious they DID play their hand picked QB over the one that gave them a better chance to win. SaveSave
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 18:10:54 GMT -8
The facts are that he had, what, 6 practices with the "ones" in the past two years, and still outperformed this coaching staff's "hand picked" QBs - by a mile. ................. He practiced with the "ones" every single day for the final six weeks of the 2016 season. He did not outperform Seth Collins in 2015. He was terrible in his early games; Collins, who played in almost every goal-line situation, and Nall carried him in the CW game. And there is no way to determine if he would outperform Luton this season, since he is no longer here. Obviously the coaches felt he didn't, unless you want to believe they would willingly will sit McMaryion out of spite even though they believe gives them the best chance to win. He had nice games against WSU,UA and UO last year, three of the Pac-12's worst defenses. He was not good against UCLA or Stanford. He was average against UW. He is not as good a runner as DG, who averaged two full yards more per carry last season. He is a better passer. I'm sorry he left. But people need to stop treating him as if he was a reincarnation of Antwaan Randle El. "Don't count 2015..." Yeah, just count his good games. Bottom line is, he did get his chance and he didn't win the job. Does anyone really believe a coaching staff is going to play their "hand picked" qb over one that gives them a better chance to win? With their jobs and millions of dollars on the line if they don't win? Please. It's not that he didn't win the job, it's more that he couldn't win the job apparently. Millions of dollars on the line? For the University, not for GA. If they can him tomorrow (I do not advocate that at all) he gets a nice little 11 million buck care package. Craig Robinson cost OSU an estimated 4 million to fire, he had nowhere near the contract GA has.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:14:13 GMT -8
Luton can actually run, the coaches just don't want to get him hurt because he is the only viable option. At Idaho they put him in as the running quarterback. He ran for 3 touchdowns in a game once at Idaho. All of you people need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize QB is not the issue with our team.. 3M was never a viable option at QB. Luton is the real deal, everything else around him needs to click. Hmmm. Elaborate, please on why 3M was never a viable option? He very clearly was a viable option in 2016. I guess he got worse over the off-season? Also - if "Luton is the real deal" why would "everything else around him need to click"? If a guy is the "real deal", he shouldn't need everything else to click to be successful. Guys who are the real deal make other players better, they excel when everything else is NOT clicking. SaveSave
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 18:15:31 GMT -8
The issue most have... GA has been proven 'blind'! Maybe so, not going to argue that. But that was their determination. Luton had the job handed to him the day he signed his letter of intent. It was obvious it was going to happen. Fricken Oregonlive had articles saying Luton was the odds on favorite to be starter this year, at the beginning of spring practice.
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Post by gobeavs11 on Sept 3, 2017 18:19:56 GMT -8
Luton can actually run, the coaches just don't want to get him hurt because he is the only viable option. At Idaho they put him in as the running quarterback. He ran for 3 touchdowns in a game once at Idaho. All of you people need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize QB is not the issue with our team.. 3M was never a viable option at QB. Luton is the real deal, everything else around him needs to click. Hmmm. Elaborate, please on why 3M was never a viable option? He very clearly was a viable option in 2016. I guess he got worse over the off-season? Also - if "Luton is the real deal" why would "everything else around him need to click"? If a guy is the "real deal", he shouldn't need everything else to click to be successful. Guys who are the real deal make other players better, they excel when everything else is NOT clicking. SaveSave3M was one dimensional. Cmon you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. If we started 3M this year we would know what to expect. Subpar play with okay running and not able to throw the ball down field. With 3M at QB yesterday we lose that game. We would of not been able to engineer a game winning drive like that.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:22:30 GMT -8
Hmmm. Elaborate, please on why 3M was never a viable option? He very clearly was a viable option in 2016. I guess he got worse over the off-season? Also - if "Luton is the real deal" why would "everything else around him need to click"? If a guy is the "real deal", he shouldn't need everything else to click to be successful. Guys who are the real deal make other players better, they excel when everything else is NOT clicking. SaveSave3M was one dimensional. Cmon you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. If we started 3M this year we would know what to expect. Subpar play with okay running and not able to throw the ball down field. With 3M at QB yesterday we lose that game. We would of not been able to engineer a game winning drive like that. Wow. I can only guess you're trolling or incompetent with this post. 3M is the only QB who was on the roster who WASN'T one-dimensional. Go back to sleep. SaveSave
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 3, 2017 18:23:17 GMT -8
"Don't count 2015..." Yeah, just count his good games. Bottom line is, he did get his chance and he didn't win the job. Does anyone really believe a coaching staff is going to play their "hand picked" qb over one that gives them a better chance to win? With their jobs and millions of dollars on the line if they don't win? Please. Well, which do you think was more relevant? The 1 game plus mop-up duty that 3M had at the end of 2015, or the way he played in the last half of 2016? Did you watch 2016? Was it not obvious to you which QB gave us a better chance to win? It was either spite, gross incompetence, arrogance, pride, or something. To people with eyeballs, it was obvious they DID play their hand picked QB over the one that gave them a better chance to win. SaveSaveUh, yes, I watched every (and attended most home) games. Luton wasn't on the roster in 2016 so how can you say MM had a better 2016 than Luton? Spring and fall camp is what they had. Luton beat them out, MM decided to bail. So be it. Defense and run blocking are the glaring problems, not QB.
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Post by gobeavs11 on Sept 3, 2017 18:23:23 GMT -8
Luton can actually run, the coaches just don't want to get him hurt because he is the only viable option. At Idaho they put him in as the running quarterback. He ran for 3 touchdowns in a game once at Idaho. All of you people need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize QB is not the issue with our team.. 3M was never a viable option at QB. Luton is the real deal, everything else around him needs to click. Hmmm. Elaborate, please on why 3M was never a viable option? He very clearly was a viable option in 2016. I guess he got worse over the off-season? Also - if "Luton is the real deal" why would "everything else around him need to click"? If a guy is the "real deal", he shouldn't need everything else to click to be successful. Guys who are the real deal make other players better, they excel when everything else is NOT clicking. SaveSaveAnd Luton is settling in. Good stays yesterday, 18-25, 235 yards and a TD. Couldn't of asked for much better. Played well yesterday. Seems to me we need to open things up a little more.
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Post by gobeavs11 on Sept 3, 2017 18:25:53 GMT -8
3M was one dimensional. Cmon you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. If we started 3M this year we would know what to expect. Subpar play with okay running and not able to throw the ball down field. With 3M at QB yesterday we lose that game. We would of not been able to engineer a game winning drive like that. Wow. I can only guess you're trolling or incompetent with this post. 3M is the only QB who was on the roster who WASN'T one-dimensional. Go back to sleep. SaveSaveBecome a Fresno State fan then!! Seems to me you can't get over 3M not starting, he's gone so get over it. I'm tired of all these fake fans who can't support their players and team. Go Beavs!!!
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:27:07 GMT -8
Well, which do you think was more relevant? The 1 game plus mop-up duty that 3M had at the end of 2015, or the way he played in the last half of 2016? Did you watch 2016? Was it not obvious to you which QB gave us a better chance to win? It was either spite, gross incompetence, arrogance, pride, or something. To people with eyeballs, it was obvious they DID play their hand picked QB over the one that gave them a better chance to win. SaveSaveUh, yes, I watched every (and attended most home) games. Luton wasn't on the roster in 2016 so how can you say 3M had a better 2016 than Luton? Spring and fall camp is what they had. Luton beat them out, 3M decided to bail. So be it. Defense and run blocking are the glaring problems, not QB. We all know Luton wasn't on this team in 2016. The QB who gave us the best chance to win in 2016 wasn't playing until 2 other QBs were injured. C'mon, the logic isn't that hard to follow. In 2016, they played their hand picked QB, and he very obviously didn't give us the best chance to win. In 2017, they still had 3M stacked behind the QB he clearly outplayed in 2016, AND plugged in their "hand picked" QB as the #1. SaveSave
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:27:47 GMT -8
Wow. I can only guess you're trolling or incompetent with this post. 3M is the only QB who was on the roster who WASN'T one-dimensional. Go back to sleep. SaveSaveBecome a Fresno State fan then!! Seems to me you can't get over 3M not starting, he's gone so get over it. I'm tired of all these fake fans who can't support their players and team. Go Beavs!!! I can't get over our coaches being stupid. SaveSave
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Post by seastape on Sept 3, 2017 18:49:51 GMT -8
Marcus McMaryion 15 Games Played at OSU 128 Completions 237 Attempts 54.0 Completion Percentage 1,689 Yards 11 Touchdowns 8 Interceptions 122.4 QB Rating 45 Carries 93 Yards 2 TDs 2.2 Yards Per Carry I've looked at the stats for Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Luke Falk, Josh Rosen, Jake Browning, Justin Herbert as well as some others. I have nothing to say critical of Marcus McMaryion's abilities as a quarterback, but I don't really think he was the "answer" to OSU 2017. Feel free to check out your own QBs. Check out whomever you like.Now that I have seen Luton play, I think it was fair to give him the starting QB job; the guy has some tools. But the issues that have stuck in my brain and made me question Andersen's ability to judge the position of quarterback have been discussed here ad nauseum: the refusal to give 3M a real chance to start despite the fact that 3M has had better results than the QBs have started ahead of him the last two years (you can use your own website that you listed to confirm this) and the fact that the evidence makes it seem likely that Andersen was never going to give the only guy who has had some success (again, 3M) a chance to start this year. When did it ever feel like CGA was going to choose anyone but Luton to start as soon as Luton signed? And that takes us back to the issue with Luton: So Luton is signed to start but is most likely not a runner in a system that uses a running QB. So now the word is that we're going back to more of a pro-style offense. Fine. But why are there read option plays when no one in the stadium thinks Luton is going to run? Most of these issues may not be so glaring if the rest of the team should real progress, but with the poor showing in other areas, especially on defense, it makes one wonder how competent Andersen is. Then there is the results from Wisconsin and their QB issues...No other position attracts attention like QB, and so far?...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -8
Luton is the QB. Whether he won the position or had it handed to him, based on our coaches' history, is up to serious debate. 3M is gone, I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football (once again), yet while he was at OSU he was seemingly frequently put in a poor position to succeed.
I think Luton will be a fine QB - IF THE COACHES PUT HIM IN A POSITION TO SUCCEED. Having a guy with his tools run a read option offense apparently is questionable to some. We have to trust the coaches are doing what they think is right, however I can sure see why some second guess them.
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