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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 3, 2017 20:06:05 GMT -8
I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football
Seriously? You are giving any credence to stats compiled against a horrible I-AA team after he entered the game with a 52-0 lead?
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 20:46:44 GMT -8
Maybe so, not going to argue that. But that was their determination. Luton had the job handed to him the day he signed his letter of intent. It was obvious it was going to happen. Fricken Oregonlive had articles saying Luton was the odds on favorite to be starter this year, at the beginning of spring practice. You infer that from what you read. Sorry. Btw, it doesn't matter. What's done is done. Why aren't you as worried about the heinous defense?
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Post by nabeav on Sept 3, 2017 21:07:35 GMT -8
I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football Seriously? You are giving any credence to stats compiled against a horrible I-AA team after he entered the game with a 52-0 lead? I dunno, there's a lot of people pointing to Luton's stats against Portland State as some sort of badge on his chest.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Sept 3, 2017 21:56:41 GMT -8
Becoming painfully clear why I've had to scratch my head so much in 2017
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 22:05:26 GMT -8
Hmmm. Elaborate, please on why 3M was never a viable option? He very clearly was a viable option in 2016. I guess he got worse over the off-season? Also - if "Luton is the real deal" why would "everything else around him need to click"? If a guy is the "real deal", he shouldn't need everything else to click to be successful. Guys who are the real deal make other players better, they excel when everything else is NOT clicking. SaveSave3M was one dimensional. Cmon you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. If we started 3M this year we would know what to expect. Subpar play with okay running and not able to throw the ball down field. With 3M at QB yesterday we lose that game. We would of not been able to engineer a game winning drive like that. 3M was our only healthy QB left when he played that wasn't in redshirt. The kid in redshirt isn't even a QB anymore. The only game he ran the ball at all was the final game and he averaged 7.4 yards a carry, which is pushing near double what Garrettson averaged a carry last year. As far as throw the ball downfield goes, McMaryion and Collins were the only QBs that stretched the field at all the last two years before Luton came in.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 3, 2017 22:07:53 GMT -8
Luton is the QB. Whether he won the position or had it handed to him, based on our coaches' history, is up to serious debate. 3M is gone, I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football (once again), yet while he was at OSU he was seemingly frequently put in a poor position to succeed. I think Luton will be a fine QB - IF THE COACHES PUT HIM IN A POSITION TO SUCCEED. Having a guy with his tools run a read option offense apparently is questionable to some. We have to trust the coaches are doing what they think is right, however I can sure see why some second guess them. The one thing Luton does have going for him is that the o-line seems to be competent in the pass blocking. His accuracy is still suspect - if he could have put the ball right on target yesterday, we would have had more scores - that leaping fingertip catch by Nall out of the backfield on the final drive could have gone for 20 if it had hit him in the chest (or killed the drive if Ryan didn't have his man pants on). But he did end up running a very efficient two minute drill and the td pass to put us ahead gives me hope for the future.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2017 22:37:49 GMT -8
I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football Seriously? You are giving any credence to stats compiled against a horrible I-AA team after he entered the game with a 52-0 lead? Look, The BEST GAMES Luton has ever had as far as QB rating goes were back in junior college where he had one of 182 and another of 172 against what was absoultely the most impressive competition ever seen in a football game apparently. In two games this year he has had a 156.2 (frankly pretty good although a loss against a team from a supposedly weaker league) and 113.1 against PSU (once again not all that bad all things considering). Last year 3M was the third QB in the game against Utah, came with with essentially no starters reps nearly pulled of a comeback and had a 156 QB rating. Later in the season he had a 288.2 rating against Pac 12 team Arizona. Saturday night, after 3 weeks practice with a new team he threw a 302 QB rating against a bunch of nuns or their kids, not sure which. Thing is, if you can disqualify a good game against a bad team coming in with a lead, you should also disqualify anything less than stellar earlier in his career when he was brought in when his team was clearly being blasted by a much better team and was in a hole they were obviously not going to recover from. In order for a QB to throw a 288 or a 302, they either need to throw 1 pass and have it go for 23 yards or more... or if you start throwing 7-20 passes you have to make some good decisions and get some TDs in there as well. With the exception of a couple of halfback passes and a fake punt that went for first downs or TDs over the years, I've never seen ANY passer or ANY actual quarterback at OSU have a single game rated in the 280s, no matter how bad the competition. 3m has had 2 in short order, granted one of dubius competition. It takes some decision making to get that kind of a QB rating score on multiple passes in multiple games. My point is not to knock Luton, but to say maybe 3M deserves a little more credit than some here give him. Good luck to him.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 22:38:07 GMT -8
Luton can actually run, the coaches just don't want to get him hurt because he is the only viable option. At Idaho they put him in as the running quarterback. He ran for 3 touchdowns in a game once at Idaho. All of you people need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize QB is not the issue with our team.. 3M was never a viable option at QB. Luton is the real deal, everything else around him needs to click. Up for the Oscar... "3 touchdowns at IDAHO"... "never a viable option"... "is the real deal"... The player's family member or friend most obvious, but equally clueless post AND WE "need to pull" our heads?
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 3, 2017 22:39:17 GMT -8
I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football Seriously? You are giving any credence to stats compiled against a horrible I-AA team after he entered the game with a 52-0 lead? Hmmmm... 3M's stats Saturday or your 64 posts? Credence goes to 3M 😙
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 7:55:16 GMT -8
I believe this last game on Saturday in limited PT he had among the highest QB ratings in NCAA football Seriously? You are giving any credence to stats compiled against a horrible I-AA team after he entered the game with a 52-0 lead? Hmmmm... 3M's stats Saturday or your 64 posts? Credence goes to 3M 😙 Hmm justaguy's 64 posts or your multiple logins, multiple bannings for being a dumbass, and thousands of posts for trying to tell us all how it is in your mama's basement?
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 4, 2017 8:05:58 GMT -8
If 3M's two late touchdowns are impressive, then just how good are the TWO quarterbacks that Tedford played ahead of him? Or, how stupid is Tedford to have buried 3M on the depth chart - doesn't he realize he once had the greatest single game QB rating of all time?! What an idiot that guy is - he should be replaced with 4 posters on this board.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 4, 2017 8:08:39 GMT -8
Hmmmm... 3M's stats Saturday or your 64 posts? Credence goes to 3M 😙 Hmm justaguy's 64 posts or your multiple logins, multiple bannings for being a dumbass, and thousands of posts for trying to tell us all how it is in your mama's basement? You, as I've read, are a little misinformed and have a little bit of identity crisis. So I'll let my replies to you end with this... Never argue with stupid people as they'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience. I felt the slope giving way, but good luck on your next interaction. 😁
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 4, 2017 8:16:33 GMT -8
If 3M's two late touchdowns are impressive, then just how good are the TWO quarterbacks that Tedford played ahead of him? Or, how stupid is Tedford to have buried 3M on the depth chart - doesn't he realize he once had the greatest single game QB rating of all time?! What an idiot that guy is - he should be replaced with 4 posters on this board. Just a simple query... could you explain, if you can, how you read the 3M posts and come up with your stated assertions/conclusions? I just can't fathom anyone reading these threads doesn't get... 3M got into Fall camp very late... that he got in, let alone tossed TD passes in a new scheme/terminology should impress and shows 3M is indeed not buried... that Tedford DOES have a long history of handling great QBs and had publicly stated how impressed he is with 3M and his arm... and lastly the point by most on here on 3M is the way he was treated. That he should still at LEAST be the backup. So fire away. Can't wait for the next interpretation.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 4, 2017 8:21:38 GMT -8
If 3M's two late touchdowns are impressive, then just how good are the TWO quarterbacks that Tedford played ahead of him? Or, how stupid is Tedford to have buried 3M on the depth chart - doesn't he realize he once had the greatest single game QB rating of all time?! What an idiot that guy is - he should be replaced with 4 posters on this board. Just a simple query... could you explain, if you can, how you read the 3M posts and come up with your stated assertions/conclusions? I just can't fathom anyone reading these threads doesn't get... 3M got into Fall camp very late... that he got in, let alone tossed TD passes in a new scheme/terminology should impress and shows 3M is indeed not buried... that Tedford DOES have a long history of handling great QBs and had publicly stated how impressed he is with 3M and his arm... and lastly the point by most on here on 3M is the way he was treated. That he should still at LEAST be the backup. So fire away. Can't wait for the next interpretation. If there ever was a depth chart that showed him 3rd string I never saw it. If so, please post it or actual quotes from CGA saying he was 3rd string. Like I said, I never saw anything official, only speculation here.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2017 8:26:51 GMT -8
If 3M's two late touchdowns are impressive, then just how good are the TWO quarterbacks that Tedford played ahead of him? Or, how stupid is Tedford to have buried 3M on the depth chart - doesn't he realize he once had the greatest single game QB rating of all time?! What an idiot that guy is - he should be replaced with 4 posters on this board. Give it a couple weeks. Tedford is smart enough to not just hand the team over to a new guy until the new guy is fully ready. He started the kid who had been there before, led the team the previous year, and had a full spring practice with the team under his guidance rather than jump in with the new guy. 3m has a shot at being named starter sometime soon. For or those who were paying attention, only two QBs threw passes for Fresno State this last weekend.
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