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Post by alwaysorange on Aug 28, 2017 13:25:11 GMT -8
McMaryion good kid but he does not have a D1 arm. Villamin wasn't even in games last year and why not because our QBs couldn't get the ball to him and the same for the other wide receivers. McMaryion won two pac12 games against terrible teams (both at home). Luton is by far a better QB. The lack of an offensive scheme is on the coaches not on Luton.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 28, 2017 13:35:39 GMT -8
McMaryion good kid but he does not have a D1 arm. Villamin wasn't even in games last year and why not because our QBs couldn't get the ball to him and the same for the other wide receivers. McMaryion won two pac12 games against terrible teams (both at home). Luton is by far a better QB. The lack of an offensive scheme is on the coaches not on Luton. I can find two experts in the field of D1 QBs who say you are full of sh!t: Mike Riley and Jeff Tedford. Annoys the crap out of me when peanut-gallery "experts" spout off complete and utter BS from the hip. |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 28, 2017 13:39:58 GMT -8
McMaryion good kid but he does not have a D1 arm. Villamin wasn't even in games last year and why not because our QBs couldn't get the ball to him and the same for the other wide receivers. McMaryion won two pac12 games against terrible teams (both at home). Luton is by far a better QB. The lack of an offensive scheme is on the coaches not on Luton. Villamin didn't have his head in the game last year because of the QB's trying to throw him the ball before the coaches were finally forced to put 3M in. |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 28, 2017 13:47:58 GMT -8
Marcus Mcmarion was definately not the answer at quarterback. I didnt like his throw game and his running wasnt even all that good. I would take luton over mcmaryion any day. Did luton make mistakes? Absolutely. Would mcmarion have been better? Absolutely not. Not sure why this opinion is so widely espoused. McMaryion vs WSU and UA looked as good as any QB we've had here in OSU's history. Two teams whose defenses were probably better than CSU's was. 3M had plenty enough talent to be a successful D-I QB. And maybe the problem is calling it the "throw game". Luton is certainly a better "thrower", but I'm not certain he'll ever be a better "passer". |
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Post by beaverdude on Aug 28, 2017 13:52:18 GMT -8
I can find two experts in the field of D1 QBs who say you are full of sh!t: Mike Riley and Jeff Tedford. Annoys the crap out of me when peanut-gallery "experts" spout off complete and utter BS from the hip. Riley and Coach Clipboard may see "potential" but that doesn't mean 3Me can actually live up to it. Each of those coaches have recruited QB's that never saw the field (unless they changed positions) see Ryan Gunderson, Brent VanderVeen, Colt Charles...... |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 28, 2017 13:55:18 GMT -8
I can find two experts in the field of D1 QBs who say you are full of sh!t: Mike Riley and Jeff Tedford. Annoys the crap out of me when peanut-gallery "experts" spout off complete and utter BS from the hip. Riley and Coach Clipboard may see "potential" but that doesn't mean 3Me can actually live up to it. Each of those coaches have recruited QB's that never saw the field (unless they changed positions) see Ryan Gunderson, Brent VanderVeen, Colt Charles...... You don't recruit QBs to a D-I school who don't have D-I arms. 3M has outplayed all three of the QB's you've listed in actual D-I games against D-I defenses, throwing to D-I receivers. To me, that's empirical proof that he has a D-I arm. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2017 14:05:03 GMT -8
McMaryion good kid but he does not have a D1 arm. Villamin wasn't even in games last year and why not because our QBs couldn't get the ball to him and the same for the other wide receivers. McMaryion won two pac12 games against terrible teams (both at home). Luton is by far a better QB. The lack of an offensive scheme is on the coaches not on Luton. Villamin didn't have his head in the game last year because of the QB's trying to throw him the ball before the coaches were finally forced to put 3M in. Villamin looked surprised to see a ball get to him last year. Waste of a year for him until 3M got a couple weeks practice with the ones. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Aug 28, 2017 14:19:35 GMT -8
Quit acting as if McMaryion has a d1 arm. He couldn't throw it 25 yards down the field. Villamin didn't catch crap with McMaryion either and why is that because the QB still couldn't throw a strong pass downfield or across the field. 3M played because the other two QBs were out for the season. Great as QB 3M beat a terrible AZ and duck team both at home both against teams that basically quit. I am glad he won those two games and wish he would have stuck around but he was not the savior. And sure Riley recruited 3M and saw something but 3M wasn't even in the two deep and hardly in the 3 deep and Tedford was desperate for a backup.
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Post by nforkbeav on Aug 28, 2017 14:44:26 GMT -8
Fact: (Unknown) I hope he does. I hope he develops, learns, grows, and gets coached up. Actually, this may or may not be a fact, and therefore is actually unknown. You may want Luton to fail miserably. You may be a jilted relative of 3M. Your true feelings are not known or proven to people reading this board. This is unknown. I don't blame Luton for the coaches decision. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 28, 2017 14:48:08 GMT -8
I can find two experts in the field of D1 QBs who say you are full of sh!t: Mike Riley and Jeff Tedford. Annoys the crap out of me when peanut-gallery "experts" spout off complete and utter BS from the hip. Riley and Coach Clipboard may see "potential" but that doesn't mean 3Me can actually live up to it. Each of those coaches have recruited QB's that never saw the field (unless they changed positions) see Ryan Gunderson, Brent VanderVeen, Colt Charles..... Hey! Don't be knocking my man from McCall, Idaho Colt Charles!!! Threw a first down pass to Bill Swancutt on a fake fg in the Civil War! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2017 15:03:40 GMT -8
Quit acting as if McMaryion has a d1 arm. He couldn't throw it 25 yards down the field. Villamin didn't catch crap with McMaryion either and why is that because the QB still couldn't throw a strong pass downfield or across the field. 3M played because the other two QBs were out for the season. Great as QB 3M beat a terrible AZ and duck team both at home both against teams that basically quit. I am glad he won those two games and wish he would have stuck around but he was not the savior. And sure Riley recruited 3M and saw something but 3M wasn't even in the two deep and hardly in the 3 deep and Tedford was desperate for a backup. Go back and watch the Arizona game tape. McMaryion's TD pass strike to the corner went over 35 yards downfield, and that didn't include the angle. He threw a TD strike over the middle that was closer to 48 yards in the air. Go back to his freaking highschool game tapes where he actually played in a passing offense and tell us he can't throw the ball 25 yards. 71 TDs vs 12 INTs and a lot of them were long strikes. Seth actually has a decent arm, but none of the other QBs the last two yeaRS could stretch the field, 3M could. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 28, 2017 15:07:35 GMT -8
Quit acting as if McMaryion has a d1 arm. He couldn't throw it 25 yards down the field. Villamin didn't catch crap with McMaryion either and why is that because the QB still couldn't throw a strong pass downfield or across the field. 3M played because the other two QBs were out for the season. Great as QB 3M beat a terrible AZ and duck team both at home both against teams that basically quit. I am glad he won those two games and wish he would have stuck around but he was not the savior. And sure Riley recruited 3M and saw something but 3M wasn't even in the two deep and hardly in the 3 deep and Tedford was desperate for a backup. How to make yourself look stupid on the internet. Roll tape. at the 0.40 second mark you can watch McMaryion throw it 35 yards to a spot only his WR can make a play on it for a TD.
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Post by alwaysorange on Aug 28, 2017 15:08:03 GMT -8
Here is the bottom line 3M is gone. Some of you can preach that 3M got screwed and perhaps you hope that Coach A fails and Luton as well. I am going with whoever our players and coaches are now. If 3M was the QB I'd root for him. He isn't and therefore you can root for the current roster or root against it. Your choice. And sure pick out a play or two proves little.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 28, 2017 15:10:47 GMT -8
Marcus Mcmarion was definately not the answer at quarterback. I didnt like his throw game and his running wasnt even all that good. I would take luton over mcmaryion any day. Did luton make mistakes? Absolutely. Would mcmarion have been better? Absolutely not. Lutons upside is much higher than mcmarions. Have to agree that the coaches did a great diservice to luton by putting all the pressure on him to make plays. Ludicrous considering how well we run the ball. I am starting to wonder if the coaches can evaluate talent correctly and put their talent in a good position to succeed. From what it seems like to me they couldnt decide how they wanted to use their players. Are we a balanced attack? Are we run first? Are we pass first? Seemed like they went through each of these things throughout the game especially in the second half which cant happen. How are we supposed to win if there is no consistency? Defense was obviously atrocious. Not only did they seem out of shape and ill prepared for the task I believe there scheme should be called into question as they are out of what I consider the rebuilding phase. They have had two full recruiting cycles to work with and still the results are dismal. I think kevin Mcgiven needs to be challenged to do better or fired. His defense is still having confusion? Unacceptable. I hate to say it but John Conzano had a point when he said we lost our identity in that game. Ryan nall looked as good as ever in the first half but then we hardly handed it off in the second. Makes no sense to me. Also I have to call the run game scheme into question as thomas tyner only had 8 yards on 4 carries for a guy who had over one hundred yards rushing in the national title game two years ago I blame this on the beavers coaching, play calling and lack of good blocking. Also a lot of the run plays that thomas got seemed circuitous and slow developing. Not a good combo for someone who is mostly a speed guy and not a bruiser. I really like thomas tyner and believe he did not get enough carries. Period. Bottom line=Beavers Coaching staff better figure some stuff out this year and fast if we are going to make it to a bowl game or if they are going to have a job next year. Your QB comments are complete and utter opinion and have no basis in fact. Not only in the physical skill set, but in player respect and command of the offense. 3M is a very good athlete and showed when allowed in the CW he could indeed be a threat. Luton will show better vs PSU add it's PSU and is the level he should be playing. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2017 15:12:34 GMT -8
Here is the bottom line 3M is gone. Some of you can preach that 3M got screwed and perhaps you hope that Coach A fails and Luton as well. I am going with whoever our players and coaches are now. If 3M was the QB I'd root for him. He isn't and therefore you can root for the current roster or root against it. Your choice. And sure pick out a play or two proves little. I'm rootin' for Luton, doesn't mean I gotta make up crap about 3M not being capable. |
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