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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 15:33:07 GMT -8
"Riley wouldn't have lost this badly." "We wouldn't have lost if 3M had been QB." "CGA is terrible and needs to be fired."
Holy cow, people! It was one game...against a highly ranked offense returning a bunch of starters. Riley and 3M have moved on. So should you.
Hypothetical coaches and what if QBs don't win games.
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Post by alwaysorange on Aug 27, 2017 15:42:01 GMT -8
I am very disappointed in the magnitude of the loss. but it is primarily on the defense, 3M while adequate was NOT the answer.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Aug 27, 2017 16:14:48 GMT -8
Yeah I haven't seen this much whining and negativity on here since we got blown out against ucla in 2015 in Reser Stadium
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Post by sagebrush on Aug 27, 2017 16:25:24 GMT -8
OK, say one thing positive about the D. without MSU (Maklng $hit UP).
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 27, 2017 16:26:38 GMT -8
OK, say one thing positive about the D. without MSU (Maklng $hit UP). They held CSU to only a field go on the turnover inside the 10.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 27, 2017 16:45:16 GMT -8
"Riley wouldn't have lost this badly." "We wouldn't have lost if 3M had been QB." "CGA is terrible and needs to be fired." Holy cow, people! It was one game...against a highly ranked offense returning a bunch of starters. Riley and 3M have moved on. So should you. Hypothetical coaches and what if QBs don't win games. This is only a highly ranked offense (CSU... just in case others are thinking we're talking OSU) because of who they play. They are a non Power 5 team in a overall weak conference. There is no sugar coating this loss by the magnitude we lost. Anything other than every aspect of this team sucked and needs improved is luducris. We're competing in one of the best conferences in the country. Some experts think wet could have two teams in the playoff. We've lost 12 non conference games, no road wins, and are 6-19 under this staff. Facts... not opinions or what could happen. There was zero sign of offensive improvement vs a very weak (based on 2016 vs a weak conference) defense. Luton was horrible. A strong arm and some good throws here and there doesn't excuse poor reads, three throws completely behind receivers, and holding the ball. If Luton simply hit the wide open check offs the pick 6 doesn't happen, 4 more drives are in scoring position or scores... and they don't get 17 of there 27 off to's. The talk on this board centers on QBs, talent of RBs/run the ball more, recruiting... but, without an OL which we have not recruited well nothing matters. The Pac12 is all about your OL... whether pass pro or run blocking... you either have an OL (and depth) or your doomed to the bottom third of the conference. As far as the "best set of RBs in the conference", not close. Watch Love and Scarlett at Stanford for example... not only more talent, but have the OL to make them so. RBs are only as good as their OL and the ability of the OC/QB to take the pressure off the run game. We have none of that. Put our RBs on almost every other Pac12 team they are in the elite category. With us, they are sporadic and injury prone at best. As far as 3M goes, he WAS the most complete QB on the roster, he's not here. He would not make a huge difference with this OL and inept offensive scheme. However, like the Minny game last season 3M doesn't fade away under pressure, makes better reads, delivers the ball on time, and is much more mobile. We would have been in the game until the end with him as QB, the D would have been in the game and not quit or given up 500+ yards if it was a game late. This was all on the coaches... going clear back to accepting the game change. If you agree then you best have your team ready. For those actually in Ft. Collins the stadium was one of the most UNintimidating environments I've traveled to... only the students cheered. The rest of the crowd was I their seats most of the game. It was not close to a sell out. The field and heat was a nonfactor... did you see one player from either side come off with cramps? Simply... we're bad. We have not shown improvement since the CW win. The staff has waffled in organization, scheme, and continues to not take responsibility. And finally, I'm glad someone besides me who knows people inside... even from a "distance"... mentioned the divide among players. If I had it would be discounted. Let me verify for some of you it's indeed a fact. GA is NOT what he portrays behind the scenes. In fact, some of our players have shown extreme levels of maturity to not let locker room issues make their way to public forums. Some continue to make GA short comings a coaching comparison. It's not! GA has failed in most of the key aspects of being a HC since his arrival. It has nothing to do with any other coach. Some would say I have mediocre expectations... 6-9 Ws with an occasional break thru to 10 or 11... bowl games 4 out 5 years. We're OSU... not an elite athletic school. That along with academic and social integrity... not too much to ask. GA seems to have the latter two in his wheelhouse. The x's / o's and the management required of being a successful college HC not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -8
"Riley wouldn't have lost this badly." "We wouldn't have lost if 3M had been QB." "CGA is terrible and needs to be fired." Holy cow, people! It was one game...against a highly ranked offense returning a bunch of starters. Riley and 3M have moved on. So should you. Hypothetical coaches and what if QBs don't win games. This is only a highly ranked offense (CSU... just in case others are thinking we're talking OSU) because of who they play. They are a non Power 5 team in a overall weak conference. There is no sugar coating this loss by the magnitude we lost. Anything other than every aspect of this team sucked and needs improved is luducris. We're competing in one of the best conferences in the country. Some experts think wet could have two teams in the playoff. We've lost 12 non conference games, no road wins, and are 6-19 under this staff. Facts... not opinions or what could happen. There was zero sign of offensive improvement vs a very weak (based on 2016 vs a weak conference) defense. Luton was horrible. A strong arm and some good throws here and there doesn't excuse poor reads, three throws completely behind receivers, and holding the ball. If Luton simply hit the wide open check offs the pick 6 doesn't happen, 4 more drives are in scoring position or scores... and they don't get 17 of there 27 off to's. The talk on this board centers on QBs, talent of RBs/run the ball more, recruiting... but, without an OL which we have not recruited well nothing matters. The Pac12 is all about your OL... whether pass pro or run blocking... you either have an OL (and depth) or your doomed to the bottom third of the conference. As far as the "best set of RBs in the conference", not close. Watch Love and Scarlett at Stanford for example... not only more talent, but have the OL to make them so. RBs are only as good as their OL and the ability of the OC/QB to take the pressure off the run game. We have none of that. Put our RBs on almost every other Pac12 team they are in the elite category. With us, they are sporadic and injury prone at best. As far as 3M goes, he WAS the most complete QB on the roster, he's not here. He would not make a huge difference with this OL and inept offensive scheme. However, like the Minny game last season 3M doesn't fade away under pressure, makes better reads, delivers the ball on time, and is much more mobile. We would have been in the game until the end with him as QB, the D would have been in the game and not quit or given up 500+ yards if it was a game late. This was all on the coaches... going clear back to accepting the game change. If you agree then you best have your team ready. For those actually in Ft. Collins the stadium was one of the most UNintimidating environments I've traveled to... only the students cheered. The rest of the crowd was I their seats most of the game. It was not close to a sell out. The field and heat was a nonfactor... did you see one player from either side come off with cramps? Simply... we're bad. We have not shown improvement since the CW win. The staff has waffled in organization, scheme, and continues to not take responsibility. And finally, I'm glad someone besides me who knows people inside... even from a "distance"... mentioned the divide among players. If I had it would be discounted. Let me verify for some of you it's indeed a fact. GA is NOT what he portrays behind the scenes. In fact, some of our players have shown extreme levels of maturity to not let locker room issues make their way to public forums. Some continue to make GA short comings a coaching comparison. It's not! GA has failed in most of the key aspects of being a HC since his arrival. It has nothing to do with any other coach. Some would say I have mediocre expectations... 6-9 Ws with an occasional break thru to 10 or 11... bowl games 4 out 5 years. We're OSU... not an elite athletic school. That along with academic and social integrity... not too much to ask. GA seems to have the latter two in his wheelhouse. The x's / o's and the management required of being a successful college HC not so much. I can accept everything that you wrote except that. What possible evidence could you offer that 3M would have fared differently in that game? Luton in the first half made passes that were beyond 3M's ability. Period. Granted, Luton took too much upon himself to bring the Beavers back and in the course of that he made some bad decisions. And also granted is the fact that if 3M had been quarterback, we probably would have stuck with our running game since he can't pass and that might have resulted in a different outcome. But that's not 3M. That's Nall and company, with an occasional qb option. See? It's stupid to say what if. Criticize Luton. Attack our O-line and the defense. Give GA hell! They all deserve it. But let's bury 3M and Riley. And it's only wishful thinking to suggest that they might have had success in the same situation.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 27, 2017 17:49:27 GMT -8
This is only a highly ranked offense (CSU... just in case others are thinking we're talking OSU) because of who they play. They are a non Power 5 team in a overall weak conference. There is no sugar coating this loss by the magnitude we lost. Anything other than every aspect of this team sucked and needs improved is luducris. We're competing in one of the best conferences in the country. Some experts think wet could have two teams in the playoff. We've lost 12 non conference games, no road wins, and are 6-19 under this staff. Facts... not opinions or what could happen. There was zero sign of offensive improvement vs a very weak (based on 2016 vs a weak conference) defense. Luton was horrible. A strong arm and some good throws here and there doesn't excuse poor reads, three throws completely behind receivers, and holding the ball. If Luton simply hit the wide open check offs the pick 6 doesn't happen, 4 more drives are in scoring position or scores... and they don't get 17 of there 27 off to's. The talk on this board centers on QBs, talent of RBs/run the ball more, recruiting... but, without an OL which we have not recruited well nothing matters. The Pac12 is all about your OL... whether pass pro or run blocking... you either have an OL (and depth) or your doomed to the bottom third of the conference. As far as the "best set of RBs in the conference", not close. Watch Love and Scarlett at Stanford for example... not only more talent, but have the OL to make them so. RBs are only as good as their OL and the ability of the OC/QB to take the pressure off the run game. We have none of that. Put our RBs on almost every other Pac12 team they are in the elite category. With us, they are sporadic and injury prone at best. As far as 3M goes, he WAS the most complete QB on the roster, he's not here. He would not make a huge difference with this OL and inept offensive scheme. However, like the Minny game last season 3M doesn't fade away under pressure, makes better reads, delivers the ball on time, and is much more mobile. We would have been in the game until the end with him as QB, the D would have been in the game and not quit or given up 500+ yards if it was a game late. This was all on the coaches... going clear back to accepting the game change. If you agree then you best have your team ready. For those actually in Ft. Collins the stadium was one of the most UNintimidating environments I've traveled to... only the students cheered. The rest of the crowd was I their seats most of the game. It was not close to a sell out. The field and heat was a nonfactor... did you see one player from either side come off with cramps? Simply... we're bad. We have not shown improvement since the CW win. The staff has waffled in organization, scheme, and continues to not take responsibility. And finally, I'm glad someone besides me who knows people inside... even from a "distance"... mentioned the divide among players. If I had it would be discounted. Let me verify for some of you it's indeed a fact. GA is NOT what he portrays behind the scenes. In fact, some of our players have shown extreme levels of maturity to not let locker room issues make their way to public forums. Some continue to make GA short comings a coaching comparison. It's not! GA has failed in most of the key aspects of being a HC since his arrival. It has nothing to do with any other coach. Some would say I have mediocre expectations... 6-9 Ws with an occasional break thru to 10 or 11... bowl games 4 out 5 years. We're OSU... not an elite athletic school. That along with academic and social integrity... not too much to ask. GA seems to have the latter two in his wheelhouse. The x's / o's and the management required of being a successful college HC not so much. I can accept everything that you wrote except that. What possible evidence could you offer that 3M would have fared differently in that game? Luton in the first half made passes that were beyond 3M's ability. Period. Granted, Luton took too much upon himself to bring the Beavers back and in the course of that he made some bad decisions. And also granted is the fact that if 3M had been quarterback, we probably would have stuck with our running game since he can't pass and that might have resulted in a different outcome. But that's not 3M. That's Nall and company, with an occasional qb option. See? It's stupid to say what if. Criticize Luton. Attack our O-line and the defense. Give GA hell! They all deserve it. But let's bury 3M and Riley. And it's only wishful thinking to suggest that they might have had success in the same situation. Give me a break. Apparently you didn't watch the WSU or UA games last year? Please point out to me the passes that Luton threw in the first half that were "beyond 3M's ability". Was it the 39-yarder to a WIDE open Hernandez who was 10 yards behind his defender? The shallow cross to Villamin for a 1st on 3rd & long? The overthrows? Luton has a big arm. I'm not going to dispute that. To say he made throws "beyond 3Ms ability" is silly. He CAN make some throws 3M could not. I did not see those at Ft. Collins. SaveSave
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 27, 2017 17:51:44 GMT -8
This is only a highly ranked offense (CSU... just in case others are thinking we're talking OSU) because of who they play. They are a non Power 5 team in a overall weak conference. There is no sugar coating this loss by the magnitude we lost. Anything other than every aspect of this team sucked and needs improved is luducris. We're competing in one of the best conferences in the country. Some experts think wet could have two teams in the playoff. We've lost 12 non conference games, no road wins, and are 6-19 under this staff. Facts... not opinions or what could happen. There was zero sign of offensive improvement vs a very weak (based on 2016 vs a weak conference) defense. Luton was horrible. A strong arm and some good throws here and there doesn't excuse poor reads, three throws completely behind receivers, and holding the ball. If Luton simply hit the wide open check offs the pick 6 doesn't happen, 4 more drives are in scoring position or scores... and they don't get 17 of there 27 off to's. The talk on this board centers on QBs, talent of RBs/run the ball more, recruiting... but, without an OL which we have not recruited well nothing matters. The Pac12 is all about your OL... whether pass pro or run blocking... you either have an OL (and depth) or your doomed to the bottom third of the conference. As far as the "best set of RBs in the conference", not close. Watch Love and Scarlett at Stanford for example... not only more talent, but have the OL to make them so. RBs are only as good as their OL and the ability of the OC/QB to take the pressure off the run game. We have none of that. Put our RBs on almost every other Pac12 team they are in the elite category. With us, they are sporadic and injury prone at best. As far as 3M goes, he WAS the most complete QB on the roster, he's not here. He would not make a huge difference with this OL and inept offensive scheme. However, like the Minny game last season 3M doesn't fade away under pressure, makes better reads, delivers the ball on time, and is much more mobile. We would have been in the game until the end with him as QB, the D would have been in the game and not quit or given up 500+ yards if it was a game late. This was all on the coaches... going clear back to accepting the game change. If you agree then you best have your team ready. For those actually in Ft. Collins the stadium was one of the most UNintimidating environments I've traveled to... only the students cheered. The rest of the crowd was I their seats most of the game. It was not close to a sell out. The field and heat was a nonfactor... did you see one player from either side come off with cramps? Simply... we're bad. We have not shown improvement since the CW win. The staff has waffled in organization, scheme, and continues to not take responsibility. And finally, I'm glad someone besides me who knows people inside... even from a "distance"... mentioned the divide among players. If I had it would be discounted. Let me verify for some of you it's indeed a fact. GA is NOT what he portrays behind the scenes. In fact, some of our players have shown extreme levels of maturity to not let locker room issues make their way to public forums. Some continue to make GA short comings a coaching comparison. It's not! GA has failed in most of the key aspects of being a HC since his arrival. It has nothing to do with any other coach. Some would say I have mediocre expectations... 6-9 Ws with an occasional break thru to 10 or 11... bowl games 4 out 5 years. We're OSU... not an elite athletic school. That along with academic and social integrity... not too much to ask. GA seems to have the latter two in his wheelhouse. The x's / o's and the management required of being a successful college HC not so much. I can accept everything that you wrote except that. What possible evidence could you offer that 3M would have fared differently in that game? Luton in the first half made passes that were beyond 3M's ability. Period. Granted, Luton took too much upon himself to bring the Beavers back and in the course of that he made some bad decisions. And also granted is the fact that if 3M had been quarterback, we probably would have stuck with our running game since he can't pass and that might have resulted in a different outcome. But that's not 3M. That's Nall and company, with an occasional qb option. See? It's stupid to say what if. Criticize Luton. Attack our O-line and the defense. Give GA hell! They all deserve it. But let's bury 3M and Riley. And it's only wishful thinking to suggest that they might have had success in the same situation. Jimbo... respect your views. The "evidence" is that 3M was a very complete QB in the scheme of 2016. The scheme of 2017? Who knows what it is or will be. Luton does not have superior overall QB skills... especially those GA espoused over and over again. The picks were on throws 3M excels... 3M doesn't force throws into coverage, throws a nice deep ball, hits under routes in stride, and didn't over throw with velocity. He also proved his ability to "win" with his legs when running the read... not sure "option" is accurate under GA?! Not saying we win, saying it would have been a game... D would have not been on the field as long and enthused/fresh late. 3M was the proven starter that gave OSU THE BEST chance at a early season win on the road. Bring Luton along let him develop into a Pac12 QB, and beat out 3M with game performances. That was the best plan... and how not to destroy or set back a potential QB by putting him in over his head early. Let alone now having DG or Blount as your backups! And... there is no "attack" in the rest. No opinion... the FACTS, not what ifs or could bes, of GA's tenure is obvious.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 27, 2017 18:06:20 GMT -8
The TDs to Togia were both throws 3M could not make. That guy was 9-25 against that worthless uck secondary. 3M being out there yesterday would not have changed that outcome. Man ion being out there wouldn't have either.
Totally agree about the atmosphere though - that CSU crowd reminded me of a Cal or Stanford crowd. Very quiet.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 27, 2017 18:08:41 GMT -8
I can accept everything that you wrote except that. What possible evidence could you offer that 3M would have fared differently in that game? Luton in the first half made passes that were beyond 3M's ability. Period. Granted, Luton took too much upon himself to bring the Beavers back and in the course of that he made some bad decisions. And also granted is the fact that if 3M had been quarterback, we probably would have stuck with our running game since he can't pass and that might have resulted in a different outcome. But that's not 3M. That's Nall and company, with an occasional qb option. See? It's stupid to say what if. Criticize Luton. Attack our O-line and the defense. Give GA hell! They all deserve it. But let's bury 3M and Riley. And it's only wishful thinking to suggest that they might have had success in the same situation. Jimbo... respect your views. The "evidence" is that 3M was a very complete QB in the scheme of 2016. The scheme of 2017? Who knows what it is or will be. Luton does not have superior overall QB skills... especially those GA espoused over and over again. The picks were on throws 3M excels... 3M doesn't force throws into coverage, throws a nice deep ball, hits under routes in stride, and didn't over throw with velocity. He also proved his ability to "win" with his legs when running the read... not sure "option" is accurate under GA?! Not saying we win, saying it would have been a game... D would have not been on the field as long and enthused/fresh late. 3M was the proven starter that gave OSU THE BEST chance at a early season win on the road. Bring Luton along let him develop into a Pac12 QB, and beat out 3M with game performances. That was the best plan... and how not to destroy or set back a potential QB by putting him in over his head early. Let alone now having DG or Blount as your backups! And... there is no "attack" in the rest. No opinion... the FACTS, not what ifs or could bes, of GA's tenure is obvious. [ "3M doesn't force throws into coverage," He sure had a similar (poor) decision and same outcome on the goal line against Arizona when he was a new qb, just like Luton. You're a smart guy, but I completely disagree with your statements in question. I think Luton showed more upside yesterday than 3M, Juke El Trio, and the field. But for the sake of all that's Holy, scrap the read option!!!!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 27, 2017 18:27:31 GMT -8
The TDs to Togia were both throws 3M could not make. That guy was 9-25 against that worthless uck secondary. 3M being out there yesterday would not have changed that outcome. Man ion being out there wouldn't have either. Totally agree about the atmosphere though - that CSU crowd reminded me of a Cal or Stanford crowd. Very quiet. Wrong-o. You must've not watched the spring game. 3M made a more difficult version of the Togiai TD/"drop" at the end of scrimmage. 3M had an arm when needed.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 27, 2017 18:36:48 GMT -8
Oh, the spring game, gotcha. Just like Luke Babbitt hitting everything in Blazers practices. Great evidence.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 27, 2017 18:38:32 GMT -8
The TDs to Togia were both throws 3M could not make. That guy was 9-25 against that worthless uck secondary. 3M being out there yesterday would not have changed that outcome. Man ion being out there wouldn't have either. Totally agree about the atmosphere though - that CSU crowd reminded me of a Cal or Stanford crowd. Very quiet. Wrong-o. You must've not watched the spring game. 3M made a more difficult version of the Togiai TD/"drop" at the end of scrimmage. 3M had an arm when needed. Jake Luton already has 3 INTs on the year. 3M had 5 in 6 games last year. Why 3M keeps this game closer is because it is really doubtful he throws a pick six then another INT in 3 attempts. It is a seven point game when we take the ball in the 3rd quarter... pick six on a woefully late pass on a short throw to a middle screen/short crossing route. that is the turning point. that is exactly when we lost. now it is a 14 point game. we get the ball back and it is then another INT on the 3rd attempt. the team quit right there. the air left, the effort left. the team quit. two series and it was over. Of course it is entirely possible 3M has the same bad pass... I am not so sure. Nothing Luton did in this game was outside his wheelhouse and I'd even argue if we are going to keep running a read-option action, at least 3M could run with the ball somewhat well. 3 picks against a not good defense is EXACTLY what everybody was worried about with Luton.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 27, 2017 18:41:16 GMT -8
The second pick was a result of the receiver falling down. That wasn't on Luton.
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