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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 27, 2017 21:51:03 GMT -8
Florida being ranked has nothing to do with its offense, and there's no debate about it.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 27, 2017 21:52:34 GMT -8
Fine. Let's say that 3M is the better QB option for the Beavers which I don't believe for a minute. He didn't win the starting job his freshman year and he looked pretty bad then too. Last year, even with the experience from the previous year and the fact that his main rival at QB turned receiver, he was third on the depth chart. Yes, he played with desire and heart and he led a maturing Beaver team to some wins. But every team we played against knew that we didn't have a passing game last year, and we didn't. Not, at least, a Pac-12 level passing game. We were pretty one dimensional. But let's say that 3M improved and was ready to take the job this year. And for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and say that CGA and company were completely blind to how fabulous this kid really is. Let's say all of this and anything else 3M believers want to say. What does it get you? Not a damn thing. Imagine what it would have been like if we had Mannion behind center. Wow! We could really have kicked their arses.... Same dif. The fundamental basis of this logic is that the person making the choice of where to put 3M on the depth chart is competent. If the largest and most persistent complaint against CGA is his inability to pick and develop QBs, then saying 3M couldn't crack the depth chart doesn't have merit. 3M not cracking the depth chart is EXACTLY the problem here!!! I made this statement before, but I will make it again, Jeff Tedford, a guy that has put out 6 first round pick QBs. (not drafted... FIRST ROUND) invited 3M despite having 5 other QBs on the roster and in a week is already battling for the starting job at Fresno. Most of the pundits down their expect 3M to take the job. Like it or not, it is a think that makes you go hrmmm. Just like El Dio not being good enough to ever play for OSU, immediately becoming the starter at Florida... I get what you're saying. Based on information from here and other sources, it looks like the OSU Admin said, "Mike, Lansdorf[or Banker] has got to go." Riley: "I resist that suggestion." Admin: "It's not a suggestion." Riley: "If you're going to interfere with my job, I'll go elsewhere." [Bluff] Admin: "You're free to do that." [Bluff called] Riley calls Nebraska Riley: "I'm available." Nebraska: "Great! When can you start?" Riley: "Tomorrow." Riley calls OSU Admin Riley: "I'm gone." Admin: "When?" Riley: "Tomorrow. Bye." Admin I: "Oh, crap! What do we do now?" Admin II: "Anderson's unhappy at Wisconsin." Admin I: "Call him." And that's where we are. A panic hire. Is that about right?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 27, 2017 22:10:12 GMT -8
Florida being ranked has nothing to do with its offense, and there's no debate about it. True, but Loup Garou is quite possibly going to beat out two HIGHLY recruited 4 Star QBs. There's some buzz he's leading the competition, he's certainly in the mix.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 27, 2017 22:29:32 GMT -8
The fundamental basis of this logic is that the person making the choice of where to put 3M on the depth chart is competent. If the largest and most persistent complaint against CGA is his inability to pick and develop QBs, then saying 3M couldn't crack the depth chart doesn't have merit. 3M not cracking the depth chart is EXACTLY the problem here!!! I made this statement before, but I will make it again, Jeff Tedford, a guy that has put out 6 first round pick QBs. (not drafted... FIRST ROUND) invited 3M despite having 5 other QBs on the roster and in a week is already battling for the starting job at Fresno. Most of the pundits down their expect 3M to take the job. Like it or not, it is a think that makes you go hrmmm. Just like El Dio not being good enough to ever play for OSU, immediately becoming the starter at Florida... I get what you're saying. Based on information from here and other sources, it looks like the OSU Admin said, "Mike, Lansdorf[or Banker] has got to go." Riley: "I resist that suggestion." Admin: "It's not a suggestion." Riley: "If you're going to interfere with my job, I'll go elsewhere." [Bluff] Admin: "You're free to do that." [Bluff called] Riley calls Nebraska Riley: "I'm available." Nebraska: "Great! When can you start?" Riley: "Tomorrow." Riley calls OSU Admin Riley: "I'm gone." Admin: "When?" Riley: "Tomorrow. Bye." Admin I: "Oh, crap! What do we do now?" Admin II: "Anderson's unhappy at Wisconsin." Admin I: "Call him." And that's where we are. A panic hire. Is that about right? I think that you give our admin too much credit. If I was a betting man, I would say that our admin probably was probably chasing down Matt Wells' references and spoke to GA, and GA expressed an interest in the job. The idea that our admin had a coherent thought that led to proactively calling GA seems highly unlikely to me to the point of being comical. A photograph of Admin I, II, and III below:
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 28, 2017 2:19:17 GMT -8
Look up 3Ms stats on the road. Then say again he'd win yesterday's game 9 out of 10 times. Good grief. Uh, he played #4 Washington(#8 scoring defense) and #16 Stanford (#18 scoring defense) on the road, not CSU and it's 81st ranked scoring defense (last season)... good grief. He played UCLA (#59 scoring defense) on the road as well, and that outing was fairly okay. it was at least efficient. 22 of 32 for 232 yards 0TD 1 INT. So, while I never said he'd win 9 times out of 10, I would still maintain he'd of played it safer, we'd of run more and overall the game is closer and more competitive. Just ran threw the play by play, there is one underlying theme to our stalled drives or even settling for FGs. Luton incompletions, typically on 1st down. Besides the two pics that lead to points, but I'd argue the pick 6 is when the game turned in CSUs favor for good. Again, not putting it ON Luton, putting it on the game plan for Luton, which put too much pressure on him. IMO if 3M plays OSU is up a TD at halftime, coming out to play a tiring defense that is going to get grinded on down the stretch. See Oregon game. The Pic 6 never happens. All of that helps the D get confident and stronger and make a few more stops. It's a totally different game, one in which is played to OSU strength and advantage, not the other way around. I'd like to think. Maybe this staff still never figures out how to capitalize on what was clearly working at end of last season.
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Post by badwack on Aug 28, 2017 4:28:25 GMT -8
Clearly we have this all figured out. All we need to do is Run the Ball, Pass the Ball, Catch the Ball, Block, Tackle and find the proper scheme to get on and off the Bus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 5:37:46 GMT -8
3M's first year stats: 7 games 27 completions 67 attempts 403 yards 3 interceptions 1 touchdown BOOM! Luton' s our qb. Let's see what happens. BOOM?? Apples to apples? Any games as the named starter... as the guy getting most of the 1st team reps all Spring/Fall? With additional reps in JC ball and at Idaho? Or as an inexperienced sub in with backups and his only experience in a completely different system?? In all fairness 3M was never given the opportunity to be the guy. To have the coaches condidence. To develop any chemistry or rhythm with the 1's. GA made a huge mistake... IMHO from all I've seen at open scrimmages and game action. Luton could be a good QB in the future... with time to develop and see the game a bit at the Pac12 level. However, his skill set is not so superior that he should unseat 3M based on practices alone. 3M should be on the roster... should have been the starter, and mentor to Luton. Luton should have been given quality game reps in the three preseason games. More than anything 3M would be a great example of how to handle adversity on and off the field... AND if beaten out would be a far far superior backup than DG. On a side note on why this team developing a closeness is questionable...3M was treated very very similarly to LDR... but, in my opinion... and those close to him... WORSE(if you remember I brought up the possibility he'd transfer early on. It came from sources close to him and I was chided with the typical rants of... "my uncle's sisters cousin boyfriend..."). He was told nothing but positives after Spring ball. By Fall camp very early he was getting no reps with the 1s and eventually getting hardly any reps. The feeling it was intentional to make it too late to transfer and get a fair shot with another team. Luckily Fresneck staff was alerted by concerned parties of what they feared might go down. LDR and 3M were highly respected and well liked by many players. Some are extremely close to 3M and witnessed first hand the perceived mistreatment and then it was followed up by coaches trying cover their asses with some team talk that players knew was BS. Actually very similar to what happened at Wisky and some players were public about it. You and others can argue the Luton vs 3M crap all you want. But, what you can't argue is that DG and Blount are even close to 3M's ability yet eventually got more quality reps. 3M belonged on this roster and it hurts us he's not... in more than just talent. Hey, what you going dissin' my dawg Blount for? (part in jest; part serious)
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 28, 2017 6:03:01 GMT -8
The second pick was a result of the receiver falling down. That wasn't on Luton. I thought it wasn't on Luton, too. But, looking at the traffic down there, that was actually a crap throw/decision. It would have been picked, probably. I think I like Luton as our QB, if Riley is the OC. If the read option is still a big part of our play book, then they should have kept 3M. Luton = stop running the read option. But expecting a CGA team to have success not running the read option, is like expecting a Pettibone team to have success passing the ball. We are hooped.
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 28, 2017 6:53:47 GMT -8
Clearly we have this all figured out. All we need to do is Run the Ball, Pass the Ball, Catch the Ball, Block, Tackle and find the proper scheme to get on and off the Bus. I actually really like our chances this weekend if we do those thing!
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Post by beavdowg on Aug 28, 2017 7:12:23 GMT -8
Clearly we have this all figured out. All we need to do is Run the Ball, Pass the Ball, Catch the Ball, Block, Tackle and find the proper scheme to get on and off the Bus. I actually really like our chances this weekend if we do those thing! In my opinion, the fact that some fans "like our chances" this weekend against a D2 team in Portland St. speaks to exactly the mess this program is in GOING INTO YEAR 3!. In year 3 we should be expecting to freaking spank PSU, not wonder if we can even pull it off. C'mon!! We should be hitting a stride in year 3, NOT regurgitating the same problems we've had in the first 2 years of the new regime. I was SUPER excited to have CGA come to our school but I think it's clear now that he's NOT the answer to get our football program back up to respectability. In my opinion, he just simply not a good CEO of the program. He can't seem to identify good QB prospects to recruit, which may be a reflection of the fact he also can't seem to decide on an offensive identity, he can't seem to be able to see the most capable QB on his roster as far as winning games, he's intent on bringing the 'ol gang together as his coaching staff even when they may not be the most competent options, and perhaps some evidence may suggest he's losing his team. Look, I want him to be a good coach at OSU, I really do, but I think this is his year to put up or shut up. I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that if he can't show some improvement in the program this year, and to me that has to be in W's and L's then it's time to start looking for our next direction. It'll suck, cost the university money, and they'll have to swallow their pride but it'll be time to move on from this apparent train-wreck of a football staff. Just my $.02. Go Beavs!
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 28, 2017 7:32:08 GMT -8
I actually really like our chances this weekend if we do those thing! In my opinion, the fact that some fans "like our chances" this weekend against a D2 team in Portland St. speaks to exactly the mess this program is in GOING INTO YEAR 3!. In year 3 we should be expecting to freaking spank PSU, not wonder if we can even pull it off. C'mon!! We should be hitting a stride in year 3, NOT regurgitating the same problems we've had in the first 2 years of the new regime. I was SUPER excited to have CGA come to our school but I think it's clear now that he's NOT the answer to get our football program back up to respectability. In my opinion, he just simply not a good CEO of the program. He can't seem to identify good QB prospects to recruit, which may be a reflection of the fact he also can't seem to decide on an offensive identity, he can't seem to be able to see the most capable QB on his roster as far as winning games, he's intent on bringing the 'ol gang together as his coaching staff even when they may not be the most competent options, and perhaps some evidence may suggest he's losing his team. Look, I want him to be a good coach at OSU, I really do, but I think this is his year to put up or shut up. I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that if he can't show some improvement in the program this year, and to me that has to be in W's and L's then it's time to start looking for our next direction. It'll suck, cost the university money, and they'll have to swallow their pride but it'll be time to move on from this apparent train-wreck of a football staff. Just my $.02. Go Beavs! Buddy - as you've referred to me as "some fans who like our chances..." - Please don't take my comment seriously. I didn't have the sarcasm font turned on.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 28, 2017 7:35:20 GMT -8
3M's first year stats: 7 games 27 completions 67 attempts 403 yards 3 interceptions 1 touchdown BOOM! Luton' s our qb. Let's see what happens. No offense, Luton nearly matched those stats in one game while actually getting starter's reps most of the fall. McMaryion was the best true passer on our team the first 2 years of GA and he never got starter's reps until everyone else was injured last year. I personally think Luton will be fine when it's all said and done, but that doesn't mean McMaryion was a poor QB. He was put in games in bad positions year one, and basically ignored as a potential starter for much of his time here. You've got people on this board saying MR left no QBS when he left, but the current coaches basically ran off 2 QBS who just may be starters at other schools (one being a top 20 ranked power 5 school) this year. I never said he was a poor qb. I really liked him. I was only trying to illustrate that it takes a while to figure things out, that's all.
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Post by billsaab on Aug 28, 2017 7:54:07 GMT -8
I watched the whole Game and whatever Hope,desire, effort seemed to go away after Halftime. Even when we were in the game I saw poor blocking,poor tackling and little depth. Really we should be more upset with the Mental things than anything else. We are not good and not tough,not physical, not better than a decent Mountain West Team. If I were Coach Andersen i would apologize to beaver nation for this mess we seem to have. I have been coming to Beaver Football Games since Prtothro Coached. I am 72 Years old and have seen enough of this. I don't see an out and i see an AD who will keep Andersen and Company around. I have Season Tickets,but no enthusiasm for this any more. I will not renew My Tickets nor care if we win 4 or 5 games. The Caliber of player is not Good enough,the Coaching is not Good enough and the Enjoyment is gone. I will follow Women's Basketball and stop thinking it will be better soon. I am sorry to feel this disgusted but I cannot watch this crap anymore.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2017 8:38:50 GMT -8
I actually really like our chances this weekend if we do those thing! In my opinion, the fact that some fans "like our chances" this weekend against a D2 team in Portland St. speaks to exactly the mess this program is in GOING INTO YEAR 3!. In year 3 we should be expecting to freaking spank PSU, not wonder if we can even pull it off. C'mon!! We should be hitting a stride in year 3, NOT regurgitating the same problems we've had in the first 2 years of the new regime. I was SUPER excited to have CGA come to our school but I think it's clear now that he's NOT the answer to get our football program back up to respectability. In my opinion, he just simply not a good CEO of the program. He can't seem to identify good QB prospects to recruit, which may be a reflection of the fact he also can't seem to decide on an offensive identity, he can't seem to be able to see the most capable QB on his roster as far as winning games, he's intent on bringing the 'ol gang together as his coaching staff even when they may not be the most competent options, and perhaps some evidence may suggest he's losing his team. Look, I want him to be a good coach at OSU, I really do, but I think this is his year to put up or shut up. I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that if he can't show some improvement in the program this year, and to me that has to be in W's and L's then it's time to start looking for our next direction. It'll suck, cost the university money, and they'll have to swallow their pride but it'll be time to move on from this apparent train-wreck of a football staff. Just my $.02. Go Beavs! On "perhaps some evidence may suggest he's losing the team"... I'd suggest 30 some odd players missing the Civil War game because they were "late to the bus" screamed that pretty early on. Unfortunately QB merry-go-round this last season and into this fall has probably perpetuated it. I really think it could take as long as a few years of time for all of Riley's players and those current Andersen recruited players with opinions on how certain players were handled/treated to pass through the system. That's quite a while to make a coaching transition, I hope it's quicker.
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Post by bbfan on Aug 28, 2017 8:42:15 GMT -8
Beavs have won 2 of their last 3 games, including the Civil War...just saying
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