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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 30, 2017 6:07:43 GMT -8
Don't know what the recruiting strategy is but it doesn't seem to be working.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jul 30, 2017 9:07:45 GMT -8
Recruiting like modern culture is changing fast. It is so competitive now that a staff has to be ultra aggressive and innovative. Just look at what is happening at uo, the old staff did not adapt in their recruiting philosophy and it eventually caught up with them, bring in a new, younger, hungrier staff and the change in results is obvious. I don't know enough about how the OSU staff recruits to pass any type of judgement, but I do think if you are not adapting to a rapidly changing recruiting environment you will struggle. Has Anderson done anything like what uo just did where they brought in a bunch of recruits both committed and uncommitted, hyped it up, and did a one day camp where fans could attend? Marketing and promotion are so important now, the staff needs to create an excitement and buzz around the program, I think that is a large part of what recruits are looking for these days.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 30, 2017 9:20:01 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter.
Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 30, 2017 9:28:10 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter. Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long. Exactly... why it's so important you have a HC and staff that can evaluate talent, teach technique to make kids better than they were as recruited, and have a consistent system that kids can understand and play without being tentative. If you're not getting the best talent you better be able to be a great coach/staff. So far... not even a glimpse of that. Unless people think improved academics will win 6+ games!?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 30, 2017 10:59:54 GMT -8
Don't know what the recruiting strategy is but it doesn't seem to be working. Maybe you could hang out on the Stanford and Utah fan forums and exchange sob stories. Those 2 schools only have 4 and 3 commits respectively. I haven't checked their boards, but I'd bet there's not a lot of glee over there at the moment. It's quite early yet. There's a season of college ball to play and we'll get some commits and schools like uo will probably lose some. There's also a season of high school ball to play and there's going to be a bunch more yet to be committed talent having big years. If the Beavs make progress in the win column this season Andersen and Co will get some good talent coming in and have a "better" recruiting year next year. If the Beavs backslide as a team it could look a bit bleak... way to early to go there yet in my opinion.
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Post by zebraworks on Jul 30, 2017 11:14:25 GMT -8
I seem to remember being at this point and only have like 2 commits in past years so this is a weird comment. What will help with recruiting is actually WINNING and giving players some confidence they are going to be winners and not cellar dwellers. The way this staff runs their "offense" that might never happen though!
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Post by beavsaregood on Jul 30, 2017 12:20:47 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter. Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long. Exactly... why it's so important you have a HC and staff that can evaluate talent, teach technique to make kids better than they were as recruited, and have a consistent system that kids can understand and play without being tentative. If you're not getting the best talent you better be able to be a great coach/staff. So far... not even a glimpse of that. Unless people think improved academics will win 6+ games!? Riley. Mike Riley / Dennis Erickson more or less can evaluate talent. MR and staff developed players. MR won with lesser talent. MR went to bowl games. MR's players went on to the next level (NFL). I don't see that with CGA..........what? Chuckie Keeton is CGA's masterpiece?! Hahahaha! I don't see CGA's style or identity. I'm guessing it's kinda like he "wants to be like" Whittingham. .....which is fine but he still doesn't have the pieces. And not having pieces is on him. He cannot develop skill position players is what I'm thinking. But what he can do is teach the basics especially on defense.....like tackle. Yay! I criticized MR but now I regret that. CGA may not be the guy. CGA is not a guy that can identify and develop talent. CGA is a guy that says, " why not us?"........but, then, realizes that there's a reason why it's tough being a Beaver coach and doesn't know how to compete in this Big Boy conference. I'll take a Tedford. I would have even taken a Justin Wilcox (though, maybe he wouldn't come to Corvallis). But, hey, it's CGA and his process. I don't want to wait on his process. Does CGA need another year to get to 6 wins? It's now or never..... Get me a typical Beaver/MR season......7-8 wins. I'm done with his coach speak and that macho stuff. It's cute but I don't see substance. I don't see that he/staff are teaching/developing. it's time. I expect 7-8 wins. It's doable for a good coach at OSU.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 30, 2017 12:57:57 GMT -8
Recruiting seems to be accelerating. Kids are committing earlier than ever before, coaches are offering earlier, and they're moving up signing day. Having 4 recruits committed now might be like having two years ago, I'm not sure. Utah may be gripping a little bit, but I seem to remember reading Stanford never has early commits because their academic requirements basically make it impossible for them to people to commit too early while waiting for academic requirements to be vetted or something along those lines.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 30, 2017 13:45:43 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter. Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long. Exactly... why it's so important you have a HC and staff that can evaluate talent, teach technique to make kids better than they were as recruited, and have a consistent system that kids can understand and play without being tentative. If you're not getting the best talent you better be able to be a great coach/staff. So far... not even a glimpse of that. Unless people think improved academics will win 6+ games!?
This is idiotic. His first full year recruiting class were true freshman last year. Even half of the late-start 2015 class were redshirt freshman. Guys from both classes are expected to be big contributors this year, and for the most part, they still are almost all underclassmen. Seriously, is there one single guy besides Seth Collins that will be Junior this year? In other words, was there a single player recruited by CGA out of high school besides Collins that was a Sophomore last year? I truly don't know, I'm sure there are more than him, just can't think of any non JC guys. Obviously there's that Decoud kid, but he doesn't count.
Let's give them another year or two before hitting the panic switch, or making bold declarations about the limited future of freshman and sophomores. Refer to all those crappy freshman and sophomore kids that got a ton of playing time getting the s%#t kicked out of them at Colorado, then matured into 10 game winners.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 30, 2017 14:02:42 GMT -8
Exactly... why it's so important you have a HC and staff that can evaluate talent, teach technique to make kids better than they were as recruited, and have a consistent system that kids can understand and play without being tentative. If you're not getting the best talent you better be able to be a great coach/staff. So far... not even a glimpse of that. Unless people think improved academics will win 6+ games!?
This is idiotic. His first full year recruiting class were true freshman last year. Half the 2015 class were redshirt freshman. Guys from both classes are expected to be big contributors this year. Seriously, is there one single guy besides Seth Collins that will be Junior this year?
Let's give them another year or two before hitting the panic switch, or making bold declarations about the limited future of freshman and sophomores
What is idiotic is a post quoting another yet so off base concerning what the former actually states. But... since the post elaborated on why superior coaching is necessary at a school not getting top notch recruits, and I'll not dwell on another list of excuses. Youth, redshirts, supposed future contributions... doesn't hide or excuse the poor player evaluations, coaching, and lack of consistency up to this point. Improvement is expected, mandatory, and hardly improbable considering the last two seasons.
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Post by blackbug on Jul 30, 2017 14:10:01 GMT -8
The sky if falling attitude in recruiting is way too premature. Just because the ucks current results are impressive right now means very little. A lot can happen between now and signing day and show up day (as I call it). The odds are the ucks will have about 5 decommits before signing day. Oregon State is a little behind on numbers compared to last year, but it is actually ahead if you compare every year prior to that. We have a new early signing period so maybe we should expect more numbers. We just don't know yet how the early signing period affects it.
A simple comparison in the Pac 12 to current results and past results paints the real picture:
Stanford usually only has a handful of recruits at this time of year due to vetting for academics. They will probably finish better than the ucks. They also traditionally have smaller classes because of less attrition due to the type of athlete that gains admittance to begin with.
Arizona was leading the Pac 12 in recruiting in June last year due to the quantity of recruits around 21. They ended up being ranked at the back end. Things will change they do every year.
USC has a higher ranked team at this time than they did last year. Due to the number of recruits committed. USC gets the types of recruits that wait until the end of the recruiting process. They always make up ground at the end and almost always end up the highest ranked Pac 12 team, but rarely spend much of the recruiting process there.
UCLA has a tendency to get lower ranked commits early and then get rid of them for better commits later. They always make up ground late much like USC just not as dramatic.
Utah always starts slow and picks up steam. Their early commits are usually high quality then they go through quite a lull and gain ground in the Fall. I am sure they are not worried.
If I was a recruit I would be very interested in whether Oregon State wins this year. I think the lull is a by product. When the wins start coming then we should see a pick up.
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Post by gotmilk on Jul 30, 2017 14:25:58 GMT -8
I agree our offense sucks, the qb situation is like nobody knows how to coach it. Miss the crispness of Riley's O. Having said the GA offense has some of the most beautiful blocking schemes I have ever seen. The line by the end of last year was the best ever at OSU. Just fantastic. Completing a simple 5 yrd pass to a receiver without him having to break stride or being a threat to throw 30+ yrds should not take 3 years to achieve.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 30, 2017 16:28:29 GMT -8
This is idiotic. His first full year recruiting class were true freshman last year. Half the 2015 class were redshirt freshman. Guys from both classes are expected to be big contributors this year. Seriously, is there one single guy besides Seth Collins that will be Junior this year?
Let's give them another year or two before hitting the panic switch, or making bold declarations about the limited future of freshman and sophomores
What is idiotic is a post quoting another yet so off base concerning what the former actually states. But... since the post elaborated on why superior coaching is necessary at a school not getting top notch recruits, and I'll not dwell on another list of excuses. Youth, redshirts, supposed future contributions... doesn't hide or excuse the poor player evaluations, coaching, and lack of consistency up to this point. Improvement is expected, mandatory, and hardly improbable considering the last two seasons. Now you are specifically talking about coaching, not recruiting, which is the topic YOU responded to and "quoted". We get it, you think CGA sucks as a coach, no need for backhanded comments and assertions. I can go into just about every thread on this board you post in to find you making that very point in some not so unique way.
Again, nobody has a clue yet how good his recruiting classes are, we won't know that for another two years. Don't need to rehash why that is.
And actually, I disagree with the "not a glimpse" comment, if that was the case I think most Beaver fans would be thinking this team has a 3 or 4 win ceiling. They are getting better, they are playing harder, smarter, tougher football. The system was more consistent by the end of the year.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 30, 2017 17:27:14 GMT -8
It's just tough (naturally) getting bludgeoned by headline after headline about the Sucks signing 4 more 4 stars in one day! So and so picks the sucks over the Beavers! It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, the available scholarships, any of that. It's called momentum, and they got it for now.
Wait! Another 4 star just signed!!
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 30, 2017 19:08:06 GMT -8
It's just tough (naturally) getting bludgeoned by headline after headline about the Sucks signing 4 more 4 stars in one day! So and so picks the sucks over the Beavers! It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, the available scholarships, any of that. It's called momentum, and they got it for now. Wait! Another 4 star just signed!! It doesn't have to be. Hole has out-recruited Oregon State probably 27 out of the past 30 years, I'm not going to look it up but that's probably not too far off.
Look at it like this. Oregon is a national brand now, they are the rich kids with the sugar daddy driving BMWs to high school. They've played for the National Championship twice, and though they are twice losers, they still are considered one of the Pac 12 elites, even though they sold their souls to get where they are.
But you know what? We beat their ass down last November, and we get a chance to do it again this year.
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