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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 30, 2017 19:24:08 GMT -8
It's just tough (naturally) getting bludgeoned by headline after headline about the Sucks signing 4 more 4 stars in one day! So and so picks the sucks over the Beavers! It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, the available scholarships, any of that. It's called momentum, and they got it for now. Wait! Another 4 star just signed!! It doesn't have to be. Hole has out-recruited Oregon State probably 27 out of the past 30 years, I'm not going to look it up but that's probably not too far off.
Look at it like this. Oregon is a national brand now, they are the rich kids with the sugar daddy driving BMWs to high school. They've played for the National Championship twice, and though they are twice losers, they still are considered one of the Pac 12 elites, even though they sold their souls to get where they are.
But you know what? We beat their ass down last November, and we get a chance to do it again this year.
I'm just telling you how it is for most Beaver fans, and most every casual observer. I stated that none of that other stuff, factual or not, matters. I think you should let it go, but hey, it's a free country so carry on. Beat CSU! That's all I care about.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 30, 2017 23:04:19 GMT -8
What is idiotic is a post quoting another yet so off base concerning what the former actually states. But... since the post elaborated on why superior coaching is necessary at a school not getting top notch recruits, and I'll not dwell on another list of excuses. Youth, redshirts, supposed future contributions... doesn't hide or excuse the poor player evaluations, coaching, and lack of consistency up to this point. Improvement is expected, mandatory, and hardly improbable considering the last two seasons. Now you are specifically talking about coaching, not recruiting, which is the topic YOU responded to and "quoted". We get it, you think CGA sucks as a coach, no need for backhanded comments and assertions. I can go into just about every thread on this board you post in to find you making that very point in some not so unique way.
Again, nobody has a clue yet how good his recruiting classes are, we won't know that for another two years. Don't need to rehash why that is.
And actually, I disagree with the "not a glimpse" comment, if that was the case I think most Beaver fans would be thinking this team has a 3 or 4 win ceiling. They are getting better, they are playing harder, smarter, tougher football. The system was more consistent by the end of the year.
"GA sux as a coach" had never been typed by me. My quoted post stated that if OSU is never going to be in the top tier in recruiting it is important that you then have superior coaching... player evaluations to fit your system, coaching scheme and techniques that players understand and can execute, and making players better by molding a team concept built on trusting each piece of the scheme. What happens with recruits this year and in the future is an unknown and not part of the discussion But, what we've witnessed for two years is, and gives little evidence of superior coaching or improved recruiting levels as of now. The "big boy football", "toughness", "getting stronger" is subjective coach speak. EVERY team is tough. EVERY team improves strength. EVERY team we face plays "big boy football". So for now the objective measurables are not there for this staff... they are 6-18, they've played arguably some of the worst D in OSU history, they have yet to win a roadie, they have yet to beat a team with a winning record, they have started 5 (is that right?) different QBs in 24 games of which only one can actually play the position, and in my thoughts have had a larger amount of "drastic" position changes in key spots than I can ever remember. My "take" on GA has zero to do with liking him, or him sucking, or Mike Riley. In my opinion he simply has not earned the "fan respect" or plaudits that some seem to hand him so freely. He's our coach and we want he and his staff to succeed, but there are no free passes or excuses in "big boy football".
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 31, 2017 8:50:57 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter. Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long. We have a LOT more than 15 scholarships to give. We have 14 seniors in eligibility, and possibly only 80 kids on scholarship. It's hard to keep count anymore. Since CGA took over, the OSU website does not differentiate between scholarship and walk-on players any longer. Regardless, we have probably close to 20 scholarships to give, and typically accept 5-10 more LOIs each year than "open" scholarships. I believe we'll be seriously under-manned in 2018 if we take fewer than 25 guys this recruiting cycle.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 31, 2017 9:24:47 GMT -8
I'm thinking next year won't be undermanned, only 3-4 true freshmen typically get to play, but the next two seasons could really be affected by a single poor recruiting year.
Still, 5 recruits by the end of July used to be a not bad to good number even recently. I figure January is a good time to get nervous as far as recruiting goes.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 31, 2017 9:31:41 GMT -8
Wait! Another 4 star just signed!!
Nobody has signed anything yet. The Sucks are getting commits, right now they are the flavor of the month. As we get closer to signing day, some of those recruits - most likely from the Southeast - will flip as they get more offers, and increased recruiting pressure, when the better programs in their region pay more attention to them as their recruiting emphasis shifts as they lose guys to other top-notch schools.
Losing the kid from Sprague hurt. His mistake. Maybe Gary's honest approach/refusal to kiss ass hurts with some kids. But it resonates with others. I like the direction of our program, and the more I see of Gary, the more I like. Others may disagree.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 31, 2017 10:30:40 GMT -8
You realize OS only has like 15 scholarships to give this year right? I wonder of Washington State fans whine as much as Oregon State fans about how recruiting isn't working under Leach? Or Boise State for that matter. Oregon State is ALWAYS going to be near the bottom of recruiting in the Pac 12. If you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been a fan long. We have a LOT more than 15 scholarships to give. We have 14 seniors in eligibility, and possibly only 80 kids on scholarship. It's hard to keep count anymore. Since CGA took over, the OSU website does not differentiate between scholarship and walk-on players any longer. Regardless, we have probably close to 20 scholarships to give, and typically accept 5-10 more LOIs each year than "open" scholarships. I believe we'll be seriously under-manned in 2018 if we take fewer than 25 guys this recruiting cycle. In the end I imagine you will be right. But this article from just a few weeks ago sais OS has "five commits and approximately 10 more spots remaining"
www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/07/oregon_state_beavers_5_key_tar.html
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 31, 2017 12:31:50 GMT -8
An article written in July about the number of open spots for the next recruiting cycle is pretty much worthless, seeing as so much can happen in the intervening months before the next signing day.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 31, 2017 12:47:50 GMT -8
We have a LOT more than 15 scholarships to give. We have 14 seniors in eligibility, and possibly only 80 kids on scholarship. It's hard to keep count anymore. Since CGA took over, the OSU website does not differentiate between scholarship and walk-on players any longer. Regardless, we have probably close to 20 scholarships to give, and typically accept 5-10 more LOIs each year than "open" scholarships. I believe we'll be seriously under-manned in 2018 if we take fewer than 25 guys this recruiting cycle. In the end I imagine you will be right. But this article from just a few weeks ago sais OS has "five commits and approximately 10 more spots remaining"
www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/07/oregon_state_beavers_5_key_tar.html
We had at least one scholarship spot open up in the last 24 hours. There have been other recent hits and could be more.
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Post by bleedorange21 on Jul 31, 2017 15:44:09 GMT -8
Once the losses start for hole so will the flips.
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Post by shelby on Jul 31, 2017 16:59:07 GMT -8
Bleed orange - agreed. Also, if it was only about 4 & 5 Stars, then USC WOULD BE THE UNDISPUTED, Champion every year, beginning in 2005 and a few times before. I love the talk and speculation cause I get two potential wins every weekend , The Beavs win plus a suck loss. That is one great weekend ,
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 31, 2017 17:06:38 GMT -8
Bleed orange - agreed. Also, if it was only about 4 & 5 Stars, then USC WOULD BE THE UNDISPUTED, Champion every year, beginning in 2005 and a few times before. I love the talk and speculation cause I get two potential wins every weekend , The Beavs win plus a suck loss. That is one great weekend , Or Alabama. Oops, they are great every year.
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Post by shelby on Aug 1, 2017 5:53:09 GMT -8
I get your point on BAMA , but you are talking a hall of fame coach vs some less than average record loudmouth from a small time program in Florida, as well as the fact that BAMA recruiting is an entirely different business model. They get not just 5 star guys, but the number 1 guys at each position - with a heavy emphasis on the OL and DL.
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Post by gzrbvr on Aug 1, 2017 7:05:45 GMT -8
I get your point on BAMA , but you are talking a hall of fame coach vs some less than average record loudmouth from a small time program in Florida, as well as the fact that BAMA recruiting is an entirely different business model. They get not just 5 star guys, but the number 1 guys at each position - with a heavy emphasis on the OL and DL. Yuk, yuk--He said "business model"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 7:25:59 GMT -8
It's just tough (naturally) getting bludgeoned by headline after headline about the Sucks signing 4 more 4 stars in one day! So and so picks the sucks over the Beavers! It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, the available scholarships, any of that. It's called momentum, and they got it for now. Wait! Another 4 star just signed!! It doesn't have to be. Hole has out-recruited Oregon State probably 27 out of the past 30 years, I'm not going to look it up but that's probably not too far off.
Look at it like this. Oregon is a national brand now, they are the rich kids with the sugar daddy driving BMWs to high school. They've played for the National Championship twice, and though they are twice losers, they still are considered one of the Pac 12 elites, even though they sold their souls to get where they are.
But you know what? We beat their ass down last November, and we get a chance to do it again this year.
Fexactly! i sat behind the hole bench at the civilwar and saw many highly recruited butts just sitting or standing, not looking too fearsome. All you need is a good 11 playing together at any one time. OS does not have to be SC or even Stanford to succeed. Beavs as a football program are allowed the luxury of non-ridiculous expectations and the fanbase doesn't go apoplectic because we miss the Rose bowl a couple years running. Just watch what happens when slick willie's on field success doesnt match his recruiting cheatsploits. In a couple of years there will be quite a bit of soil being overturned down that away. Seen it all before. Stay the course dummies.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 1, 2017 8:06:54 GMT -8
I get your point on BAMA , but you are talking a hall of fame coach vs some less than average record loudmouth from a small time program in Florida, as well as the fact that BAMA recruiting is an entirely different business model. They get not just 5 star guys, but the number 1 guys at each position - with a heavy emphasis on the OL and DL. Just for information sake, all 5 star guys pretty much ARE the number one guys at their position. It's not like there are 50-80 5 star recruits every year. Rivals has 23 5 star recruits in this class. Some years there are a couple fewer.
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