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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:05:53 GMT -8
I hope you are making a very bad joke. Kudos to the O? Seriously. The #1 concern in all this is for the victim, and to have this wound unceremoniously ripped open when according to her own mother she has poor recollection of it, is just beyond the lowest actions one human could to do a child, to me she is being abused all over again. Pathetic. I love the pat Casey beavs but for me this magical season is now over. Baseball championships just seem so pointless right now. I have cancelled by trip to Omaha. this was meant in response to the jackass thanking the Oregonian, not going to the trouble to edit it. If you have tickets for this weekend and don't want them anymore, please let us know how to buy them from you. Same here. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 19:09:27 GMT -8
But there are minimal societal norms that we can expect Oregon State athletes not to sink below. Heimlich sank below those societal norms. He made a outrageous and heinous mistake. I would like to see him never appear in Oregon State orange and black again, because the uniform means less to the other guys on the team, to the guys that put it on before, and to the guys that put it on after Heimlich, if he is allowed to put it on again. I don't understand this point of view. As a juvenile, he committed a crime. Yet according to society's standards he has paid his dues. Why are you ashamed to see him wear the uniform? Once a criminal, always a criminal? No second chances allowed? Our boys are supposed to be somehow pure and innocent of everything? If this had occurred while he was on the team, fine, sure. Boot him off and get him out of here. But what about a kid who is trying to make his way in the world after committing a terrible mistake? And I'm not suggesting that he get a free pass because he's a ballplayer. But it's a sin to tear apart a man's life just because he is a ballplayer. And it's wrong to turn your back on him now when he needs support. What would you do if suddenly you've gone from being in the headlines for your fantastic year to being in the headlines for a skeleton in your closet? She was 6. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:15:46 GMT -8
I don't understand this point of view. As a juvenile, he committed a crime. Yet according to society's standards he has paid his dues. Why are you ashamed to see him wear the uniform? Once a criminal, always a criminal? No second chances allowed? Our boys are supposed to be somehow pure and innocent of everything? If this had occurred while he was on the team, fine, sure. Boot him off and get him out of here. But what about a kid who is trying to make his way in the world after committing a terrible mistake? And I'm not suggesting that he get a free pass because he's a ballplayer. But it's a sin to tear apart a man's life just because he is a ballplayer. And it's wrong to turn your back on him now when he needs support. What would you do if suddenly you've gone from being in the headlines for your fantastic year to being in the headlines for a skeleton in your closet? She was 6. So he pays for it forever? Would the death penalty be appropriate? He deserves no chance to rise above his past? He should be a prisoner forever? This should be thrown in his face time and time again so that he cannot succeed? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 19:26:26 GMT -8
So he pays for it forever? Would the death penalty be appropriate? He deserves no chance to rise above his past? He should be a prisoner forever? This should be thrown in his face time and time again so that he cannot succeed? No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 8, 2017 19:30:04 GMT -8
So he pays for it forever? Would the death penalty be appropriate? He deserves no chance to rise above his past? He should be a prisoner forever? This should be thrown in his face time and time again so that he cannot succeed? No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. That's fine, but the man who IS Oregon State baseball clearly felt differently. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 19:36:59 GMT -8
No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. That's fine, but the man who IS Oregon State baseball clearly felt differently. Did he know? Where did you read that? If so, it's a huge problem for me. That's all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 20:01:05 GMT -8
So he pays for it forever? Would the death penalty be appropriate? He deserves no chance to rise above his past? He should be a prisoner forever? This should be thrown in his face time and time again so that he cannot succeed? No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. Wait a minute. Turn it around for just a second. Look at it this way: A boy who did something wrong 6 years ago as a minor and once more two years before that, was arrested, confessed, and paid his price. Now instead of being a burden to society, he is making his way in the world on the straight path. And he came to OSU and OSU gave him a chance. And look at him now! How he has grown! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? But go ahead. Persecute him. Define him by his mistake. Judge him. Withhold forgiveness. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 20:07:07 GMT -8
No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. Wait a minute. Turn it around for just a second. Look at it this way: A boy who did something wrong 6 years ago as a minor and once more two years before that, was arrested, confessed, and paid his price. Now instead of being a burden to society, he is making his way in the world on the straight path. And he came to OSU and OSU gave him a chance. And look at him now! How he has grown! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? But go ahead. Persecute him. Define him by his mistake. Judge him. Withhold forgiveness. You do it, that's fine. It's my right not to. It's not like it was his 13 year old girlfriend. I have two young daughters. I might be jaded yet don't care. Hit the bricks pal. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 8, 2017 20:13:21 GMT -8
No, but playing baseball at Oregon State is a privilege that someone who has been convicted of that crime don't deserve. Go play at Whoregon or Baylor. It's different for me. Wait a minute. Turn it around for just a second. Look at it this way: A boy who did something wrong 6 years ago as a minor and once more two years before that, was arrested, confessed, and paid his price. Now instead of being a burden to society, he is making his way in the world on the straight path. And he came to OSU and OSU gave him a chance. And look at him now! How he has grown! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? But go ahead. Persecute him. Define him by his mistake. Judge him. Withhold forgiveness. Mostly agree with your assessment. I would not use the phrase "did something wrong", but rather something considerably stronger. His crime was sickening, tragic and will have long-lasting ramifications for many. I very much agree about the growth and the path that has unfolded since then...and the positive aspects of that for society in general. We know little to nothing about his home environment as a youngster and as an adolescent. Two things we do know: he was home-schooled, but played for Puyallup H.S. He finished grade 12 early, and left for Corvallis to play baseball at OSU when he otherwise would have been a high school senior. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 8, 2017 20:20:42 GMT -8
Luke has known that the Oregonian has known for at least a few days. I wonder if he gathered the team, admitted his past, explained he forgot to make his annual call, apologized for what was about to happen, and then got on with the business of beating Vanderbilt, or if he just buried his head in the sand and let his teammates find out when their parents and friends blew up their phones this morning.
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Post by bbfan on Jun 8, 2017 20:25:31 GMT -8
Just posted by tickets on ticket board at cost if anyone wants them. Understand there are a lot of opinions on what should be done but this just took the wind out of my sails.
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Post by blackbug on Jun 8, 2017 20:28:33 GMT -8
Wait a minute. Turn it around for just a second. Look at it this way: A boy who did something wrong 6 years ago as a minor and once more two years before that, was arrested, confessed, and paid his price. Now instead of being a burden to society, he is making his way in the world on the straight path. And he came to OSU and OSU gave him a chance. And look at him now! How he has grown! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? But go ahead. Persecute him. Define him by his mistake. Judge him. Withhold forgiveness. You do it, that's fine. It's my right not to. It's not like it was his 13 year old girlfriend. I have two young daughters. I might be jaded yet don't care. Hit the bricks pal. Going to college at all is a privilege earned, as is working any job that can be obtained. Where would you draw the line as to what privileges a felon can have and not have? Just curious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 20:30:41 GMT -8
Wait a minute. Turn it around for just a second. Look at it this way: A boy who did something wrong 6 years ago as a minor and once more two years before that, was arrested, confessed, and paid his price. Now instead of being a burden to society, he is making his way in the world on the straight path. And he came to OSU and OSU gave him a chance. And look at him now! How he has grown! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? But go ahead. Persecute him. Define him by his mistake. Judge him. Withhold forgiveness. You do it, that's fine. It's my right not to. It's not like it was his 13 year old girlfriend. I have two young daughters. I might be jaded yet don't care. Hit the bricks pal. Hit the bricks? WTF?! So eloquent and succinct! You are lucky to live your life in such a way as to cast judgement on those around you!! Hope you can stay in your pollyanna world the rest of your life. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 8, 2017 20:32:04 GMT -8
I will just say that now this board is becoming part of the 'problem'. No matter how you title/label it, whatever stance you take there is too much innuendo and rumors floating in here.... very likely Luke was molested... Did PC or school know... wrong this... right this...
I realize this is a discussion topic of the most negative kind, but it happened... the crime... the judicial process... the punishment... the follow up crime of omission/lack of awareness... the published article... the unwanted national attention. It's not that I think it should be "let go", but these threads are not helping anyone in anyway. The blame game, the innuendo, the anger and accusations are now perpetuating the same. It is not what is needed now.
In the weird department... we play a Vandy team who tragically loses a player in last year's post season that has a horrific effect on the entire team, and this year we in a sense "lose" a player that may have a similar damper on our post season.
In the life moves forward, it is part of who Luke is forever, and a lesson learned the very hard way. In looking at his future MLB teams are very thorough in vetting players, and most likely knew of this situation. For the most part it was not public knowledge, now it most certainly is. In the climate of today's world I'm wondering if team's save the ire of negative publicity and do not draft Luke nearly as high???
A life lesson that most certainly keeps on giving. I'm not a religious man in terms of organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power, and pray that Luke is given the strength to endure and continue to overcome his mistake. It will be painful, but it will make him a better man. I'd love nothing more for him to start and show the mental toughness to pitch a great game... win or lose. It will be a mental battle that will make future pressure situations pale in comparison. But, if he can not be at near 100% I can fully understand that too.
GO BEAVS
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 8, 2017 20:43:39 GMT -8
I get that. I still don't understand how, if he didn't know the law, he somehow managed to call in the past three years within 10 days of his birthday. The previous years he had moved/changed addresses... the state requirement for Washington. This year he did not, so he thought he did not have to call. This DA is not a protector of athletes or criminals in general... you can ask anyone in Corvallis. If there was malice she would have tossed the book at him in a very public way. Again... Penn State... 17 y/o... molested as a kid... these threads are becoming worse than finding out the original info. What's the purpose, social significance of all this crap... 8 pages of crap?  ? I thought this board stood on higher ground than other boards I've perused... no matter what "side" you want to take most of these posts are what's truly unnecessary. |
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