Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 14:59:50 GMT -8
This is, of course, because he IS a sex offender, and that should carry a large impact. I don't care if he was 15. A 17 year old was building pipe bombs to attempt some sort of attack at West Albany High School a few years back....should we not report about that six years later if he becomes notable for something positive later in life? He was a minor, his crimes landed him in the juvenile system same as Luke. I guess I'm not clear why one is a sealed record and the other is public knowledge. The Oregonian is not the bad guy here.....it's a crappy situation, but to blame the Oregonian is just insane. Luke committed the crime, Luke failed to make his required check in that would've kept this from being public record....I don't think he has anyone to blame but himself for what's coming his way now. My sincere hope is that he's able to weather the storm and continue to have a positive impact on society. they are in a position of power and influence. The end result here is extra-judicial punishment. Luke Heimlich serving additional punishment that may or may not be appropriate. The problem is, there is no way to determine if the extra punishment is fair or just. All we get is what the paper chose to print and the story it chose to tell. You have clownzano writing stories about the outrage of it all, and bringing Brenda Tracy back into the fold now. I do not disagree that ultimately in the end, this is his fault. But how can a man possibly ever move on when people wish to continue to throw things back in his face? How can you justify this disconnect? Is a person allowed to move on in life or not? yes or no. If they are allowed to move on in life, after serving punishment, how is it possible to move on if it is continually brought up? You cannot defense the simultaneous notions that people should be allowed to move on, rehabilitate and join society AND that we all have a right to at all times bring up the past, publish it publicly and force this person to deal with the fallout over and over again, when doing so interferes with the ability to move on. They are mutually exclusive ideas. This is best thing I have read today. Today is a black day for all beaver fans but you nailed it, the who what when of forgiving the unforgiveable. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:05:33 GMT -8
So has Danny Moran shot himself in the foot with this story? As just about the only guy covering OSU sports for the Oregonian, is he going to be well-received in the clubhouse and around the park now? Are players going to talk to him? Nobody has answered how the little O got wind of this. Somebody was obviously doing a deep dive on the whole program, looking in every nook and cranny for deep dark secrets (every program has skeletons in the closet). Dont give me that jive about benton county suddenly reviewing all the offender lists. Somebody tipped them off to this. |
|
|
|
Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 8, 2017 15:08:33 GMT -8
Moran claims that as part of all in-depth articles about players, they perform a background check. Seems unlikely.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:10:58 GMT -8
If you play a sport for OSU, would you give him (Moran) the time of day after this? I think Moran ought to jump ship and start covering the *ucks.
|
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 8, 2017 15:18:39 GMT -8
I get that. I still don't understand how, if he didn't know the law, he somehow managed to call in the past three years within 10 days of his birthday. But that's not what it says either. It basically says that there is an Oregon law that sex offenders call in within 10 days of their birthday. Then, it says that the sheriff's office took it upon themselves to start enforcing the law, which they had previously not been enforcing. We know that Benton County filed a charge against Heimlich and then dropped it. It may be that Heimlich actually complied with the law and the Sheriff's Office made a mistake. He would be in the system whether a mistake was made by the Sheriff's Office or not. Equally likely possibilities include that Heimlich knew that Benton County did not enforce the law, so he did not comply. Or Heimlich never complied with the law, because he was unaware of it. If Heimlich knew that Benton County did not enforce reporting rules after initial reporting, that may explain why he chose to attend Oregon State. |
|
|
|
Post by obf on Jun 8, 2017 15:19:08 GMT -8
Moran claims that as part of all in-depth articles about players, they perform a background check. Seems unlikely. Luke has been a part of the program for several years and a very good pitcher for 2 years now... If the routine background check excuse is true, they would have done it long ago... Here is a story Danny did on Luke from a year ago, was the routine background check not a part of his process then?? He was on the sex ofender list then too... Just curious... how much does it cost to do a background check? Can I order one online? Man what a kick to the man region this all is... I am just sick. In the end the person I feel the worst for is the poor girl. You know every one of her friends and cohorts that read this article immediately knew who it was talking about. If she had any anonymity before, *poof* it's gone now... Yeah double jeopardy for Luke, blah, blah, he has earned his consequences, and had to know something like this was coming... But what about the double Jeopardy for the poor girl! She already went through the trauma of the events and the trial/investigation, now she has to do it all over again! And in the view of the whole world! Hopefully everyone in her middle school has enough class just to ignore it, but knowing middle schoolers... doubt it. |
|
|
|
Post by bennyskid on Jun 8, 2017 15:20:50 GMT -8
So has Danny Moran shot himself in the foot with this story? As just about the only guy covering OSU sports for the Oregonian, is he going to be well-received in the clubhouse and around the park now? Are players going to talk to him? Nobody has answered how the little O got wind of this. Somebody was obviously doing a deep dive on the whole program, looking in every nook and cranny for deep dark secrets (every program has skeletons in the closet). Dont give me that jive about benton county suddenly reviewing all the offender lists. Somebody tipped them off to this. The Oregonian explains. Luke didn't realize that (in addition to checking in when he moved to Corvallis) that he had to check in with the local constabulary within two weeks of his birthday. He received a notice and checked in, but since he was late it went on his record in Oregon. This showed up when the Oregonian did their "background check". |
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 8, 2017 15:22:23 GMT -8
Moran claims that as part of all in-depth articles about players, they perform a background check. Seems unlikely. Moran said that he was doing a several part series specifically on Heimlich, starting in March and interviewed Heimlich on three occasions. Moran's last interview of Heimlich was May 10, 2017. |
|
|
|
Post by TheGlove on Jun 8, 2017 15:25:16 GMT -8
Yes I will cancel all my season tickets in every sport etc.................is that what you want to hear? Removing yourself from Benny's House might be a good start. you have no right to suggest someone leave here, especially since your only beef with them is a disagreement about a VERY VERY sensitive topic. chill out. |
|
|
|
Post by bennyskid on Jun 8, 2017 15:25:52 GMT -8
In the end the person I feel the worst for is the poor girl. You know every one of her friends and cohorts that read this article immediately knew who it was talking about. If she had any anonymity before, *poof* it's gone now... Yeah double jeopardy for Luke, blah, blah, he has earned his consequences, and had to know something like this was coming... But what about the double Jeopardy for the poor girl! She already went through the trauma of the events and the trial/investigation, now she has to do it all over again! And in the view of the whole world! Hopefully everyone in her middle school has enough class just to ignore it, but knowing middle schoolers... doubt it. And this time she's at the age where she understands it all, and she's just entering puberty herself. |
|
thomasg86
Freshman
FTd
Posts: 376 
Grad Year: 2009
|
Post by thomasg86 on Jun 8, 2017 15:29:10 GMT -8
Well this just really sucks for everyone involved. I do believe it is important to give second chances, even in cases like this. If you don't give someone a chance to turn their life around then they have no reason to rehabilitate and they are more likely to re-offend. I found the stat that after a few years juvenile offenders with treatment are no bigger risk than the general population interesting. At that same time though, it will hard to cheer for Luke on the mound... it's gonna be weird. This whole thing is just icky.
|
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 8, 2017 15:45:48 GMT -8
Moran claims that as part of all in-depth articles about players, they perform a background check. Seems unlikely. Luke has been a part of the program for several years and a very good pitcher for 2 years now... If the routine background check excuse is true, they would have done it long ago... Here is a story Danny did on Luke from a year ago, was the routine background check not a part of his process then?? He was on the sex ofender list then too... Just curious... how much does it cost to do a background check? Can I order one online? Man what a kick to the man region this all is... I am just sick. In the end the person I feel the worst for is the poor girl. You know every one of her friends and cohorts that read this article immediately knew who it was talking about. If she had any anonymity before, *poof* it's gone now... Yeah double jeopardy for Luke, blah, blah, he has earned his consequences, and had to know something like this was coming... But what about the double Jeopardy for the poor girl! She already went through the trauma of the events and the trial/investigation, now she has to do it all over again! And in the view of the whole world! Hopefully everyone in her middle school has enough class just to ignore it, but knowing middle schoolers... doubt it. It depends on how extensive the background check is. The State of Oregon only lists level 3 sex offenders to the public, which Heimlich was not. What the Oregonian said was that Heimlich's citation for failing to report is what alerted them to the juvenile conviction in Washington and the citation did not occur until April 3, 2017. |
|
|
|
Post by obf on Jun 8, 2017 15:46:26 GMT -8
Well this just really sucks for everyone involved. I do believe it is important to give second chances, even in cases like this. If you don't give someone a chance to turn their life around then they have no reason to rehabilitate and they are more likely to re-offend. I found the stat that after a few years juvenile offenders with treatment are no bigger risk than the general population interesting. At that same time though, it will hard to cheer for Luke on the mound... it's gonna be weird. This whole thing is just icky. Agree, as much as I question whether this should have come to light in the first place... It has, and it is gross. As much as I love my Beavers and believe in second chances, every time Luke rears back to throw a pitch all I will be able to think about is the cringe inducing, had to look away twice while reading it, paragraph in the article describing in way to much detail the abuse... |
|
|
|
Post by obf on Jun 8, 2017 15:48:16 GMT -8
Luke has been a part of the program for several years and a very good pitcher for 2 years now... If the routine background check excuse is true, they would have done it long ago... Here is a story Danny did on Luke from a year ago, was the routine background check not a part of his process then?? He was on the sex ofender list then too... Just curious... how much does it cost to do a background check? Can I order one online? Man what a kick to the man region this all is... I am just sick. In the end the person I feel the worst for is the poor girl. You know every one of her friends and cohorts that read this article immediately knew who it was talking about. If she had any anonymity before, *poof* it's gone now... Yeah double jeopardy for Luke, blah, blah, he has earned his consequences, and had to know something like this was coming... But what about the double Jeopardy for the poor girl! She already went through the trauma of the events and the trial/investigation, now she has to do it all over again! And in the view of the whole world! Hopefully everyone in her middle school has enough class just to ignore it, but knowing middle schoolers... doubt it. It depends on how extensive the background check is. The State of Oregon only lists level 3 sex offenders to the public, which Heimlich was not. What the Oregonian said was that Heimlich's citation for failing to report is what alerted them to the juvenile conviction in Washington and the citation did not occur until April 3, 2017. Interesting I must have missed that, so maybe they HAVE done a background check on him before and it came back "clean" until the dismissed citation popped up and Danny started doing more research... |
|
|
|
Post by jimbeav on Jun 8, 2017 15:55:06 GMT -8
If there have been pieces done on Luke before, then presumably a background check was done at that time, no? Now if you're going to do another piece a year later, do you really do _another_ background check? For every story you write? Is there a red-phone hotline or something from the Oregonian to the Corvallis PD?
Still doesn't smell right...
|
|
