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Post by fridaynightlights on May 1, 2017 17:02:15 GMT -8
Well lets be honest they have won allot more then we have in the past 10 plus years and they have a national brand. Were not going to beat them head to head for many recruits at this point in time. Anderson and staff just need to continue to evaluate the right kind of players and gradually build the program.
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Post by gzrbvr on May 1, 2017 17:50:14 GMT -8
Well lets be honest they have won allot more then we have in the past 10 plus years and they have a national brand. Were not going to beat them head to head for many recruits at this point in time. Anderson and staff just need to continue to evaluate the right kind of players and gradually build the program. Let's be totally honest here--They cheated and got away with it big time. They have a huge toilet seat of a brand instead of a crossbar hotel view of the world. No thinking person can ever respect them and what they did, I don't care how many "natties" they lose. Ftd. |
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Post by bleedorange21 on May 2, 2017 12:15:43 GMT -8
For what its worth webb said he grew up a fan of the ducks. I think they're getting a committment from the #1 jc tight end. Wonder if that would change anything for webb? Doubt it tho.
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Post by nforkbeav on May 5, 2017 12:39:49 GMT -8
Hell.....I think Gart has every right to be concerned. The schmucks are real close to having a top ten recruiting class. Us? Uh....no. Either our staff is being out-worked, or the bling bling at hole is just too much to overcome. It concerns the hell outta me. Why wouldn't it? Some people b!tched to no end that MR didn't spend enough time and energy going after the 4 and 5 star guys. GA comes in and says from day one he's going to go after the top recruits and not back down on the recruiting trail to anyone. So far the end result has been typical OSU recruiting classes, maybe even a drop off and that's not taking into account the budget and facilities increases the current recruiters have to work with. With GA's approach, we spend more time, energy, and resources going after players we're not getting. To the chagrin of some MR's plan accepted that many of the top players simply are not interested in coming to OSU and time would be better spent finding good quality players who would with the occasional scores like Cooks, Nelson, Mannion, etc... I've said from the day GA was hired, at a program like OSU you need to pick your guy and then give him a lot of time(at least 5 years) to figure things out and put together a winning team. I still believe that, at the same time I ask myself what our recruiting niche/advantage is. Before we attracted QB's, WR's, and DB's looking for excellent development through coaching and a system that prepared them for the NFL. What does this staff offer? Lack of continuity and direction is all I see so far. Clocks ticking, time to come up with that dreaded identity so many despised. |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 5, 2017 13:58:21 GMT -8
Hell.....I think Gart has every right to be concerned. The schmucks are real close to having a top ten recruiting class. Us? Uh....no. Either our staff is being out-worked, or the bling bling at hole is just too much to overcome. It concerns the hell outta me. Why wouldn't it? Some people b!tched to no end that MR didn't spend enough time and energy going after the 4 and 5 star guys. GA comes in and says from day one he's going to go after the top recruits and not back down on the recruiting trail to anyone. So far the end result has been typical OSU recruiting classes, maybe even a drop off and that's not taking into account the budget and facilities increases the current recruiters have to work with. With GA's approach, we spend more time, energy, and resources going after players we're not getting. To the chagrin of some MR's plan accepted that many of the top players simply are not interested in coming to OSU and time would be better spent finding good quality players who would with the occasional scores like Cooks, Nelson, Mannion, etc... I've said from the day GA was hired, at a program like OSU you need to pick your guy and then give him a lot of time(at least 5 years) to figure things out and put together a winning team. I still believe that, at the same time I ask myself what our recruiting niche/advantage is. Before we attracted QB's, WR's, and DB's looking for excellent development through coaching and a system that prepared them for the NFL. What does this staff offer? Lack of continuity and direction is all I see so far. Clocks ticking, time to come up with that dreaded identity so many despised.
Is it bad to say this? Has any new coach NOT said this at their opening presser? Has any coach said - eh.. ya know what guys, I'm just going to go after some 2 stars.. maybe a couple projects. Win the state? Meh.. we'll see. Let's win the county first. So far the end result has been typical OSU recruiting classes, maybe even a drop off and that's not taking into account the budget and facilities increases the current recruiters have to work with. Are we the only school that has increased budget and facilities over that period of time? With GA's approach, we spend more time, energy, and resources going after players we're not getting. You are basing this on what exactly? Any facts? Do you have a Recruiting Energy Metric (REM TM) that we don't know about? Psst.. we traveled to Hawaii, Samoa, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana under MR's watch as well. I've said from the day GA was hired, at a program like OSU you need to pick your guy and then give him a lot of time(at least 5 years) to figure things out and put together a winning team. I'm just pointing out that you're saying this in yet another pro-MR anti-GA post prior to Season 3. So you're giving him time, but the clock is ticking. Got it.Before we attracted QB's, WR's, and DB's looking for excellent development through coaching and a system that prepared them for the NFL. You recently pondered when we'd ever have 2 players drafted again. It happened Saturday.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 5, 2017 14:34:46 GMT -8
"Are we the only school that has increased budget and facilities over that period of time?"
Nope. We were about the only school that didn't do much Riley's last 8 or so years though. At least we're pretty much keeping up.
"It's May."
Man, it sure is. It used to be people didn't panic til about December.
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Post by nforkbeav on May 5, 2017 21:44:56 GMT -8
Some people b!tched to no end that MR didn't spend enough time and energy going after the 4 and 5 star guys. GA comes in and says from day one he's going to go after the top recruits and not back down on the recruiting trail to anyone. So far the end result has been typical OSU recruiting classes, maybe even a drop off and that's not taking into account the budget and facilities increases the current recruiters have to work with. With GA's approach, we spend more time, energy, and resources going after players we're not getting. To the chagrin of some MR's plan accepted that many of the top players simply are not interested in coming to OSU and time would be better spent finding good quality players who would with the occasional scores like Cooks, Nelson, Mannion, etc... I've said from the day GA was hired, at a program like OSU you need to pick your guy and then give him a lot of time(at least 5 years) to figure things out and put together a winning team. I still believe that, at the same time I ask myself what our recruiting niche/advantage is. Before we attracted QB's, WR's, and DB's looking for excellent development through coaching and a system that prepared them for the NFL. What does this staff offer? Lack of continuity and direction is all I see so far. Clocks ticking, time to come up with that dreaded identity so many despised.
Is it bad to say this? Has any new coach NOT said this at their opening presser? Has any coach said - eh.. ya know what guys, I'm just going to go after some 2 stars.. maybe a couple projects. Win the state? Meh.. we'll see. Let's win the county first. So far the end result has been typical OSU recruiting classes, maybe even a drop off and that's not taking into account the budget and facilities increases the current recruiters have to work with. Are we the only school that has increased budget and facilities over that period of time? With GA's approach, we spend more time, energy, and resources going after players we're not getting. You are basing this on what exactly? Any facts? Do you have a Recruiting Energy Metric (REM TM) that we don't know about? Psst.. we traveled to Hawaii, Samoa, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana under MR's watch as well. I've said from the day GA was hired, at a program like OSU you need to pick your guy and then give him a lot of time(at least 5 years) to figure things out and put together a winning team. I'm just pointing out that you're saying this in yet another pro-MR anti-GA post prior to Season 3. So you're giving him time, but the clock is ticking. Got it.Before we attracted QB's, WR's, and DB's looking for excellent development through coaching and a system that prepared them for the NFL. You recently pondered when we'd ever have 2 players drafted again. It happened Saturday.
Also - it's May.Until you can get past viewing any comparison between the current and former program as a Pro vs Anti thing, it's not worth proceeding with a dialogue. Our recruiting has not improved and may have actually fallen off. Forget about MR, and tell me why you're happy with our recruiting and what it is you see that gives you hope it's improving? And don't put words in my mouth. I never posed the question, when will we ever have 2 players drafted again. GA is our coach so I support him. Is pointing out a drinking problem to a good friend a sign of support or an "anti" friend act in your view. To improve in anything competitive you must be willing to seek out your faults, be honest about them, and attempt to correct them. Our recruiting is in need of improvement. Sorry that bothers you and until I see it on the field, it's hard to believe this staff can get as much out of similar rated classes as the last staff. I hope they do, but what evidence have you seen that makes you believe they can. |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 6, 2017 5:34:51 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 6, 2017 8:23:18 GMT -8
I'm thinking the recruiting hasn't improved, nor has it really dropped off, yet. My hope is we'll start seeing 6 and 7 win seasons and maybe we'll see some recruiting momentum built off of those... Yet to be seen though. In the past, winning seasons didn't necessarily translate into improved recruiting. I'm hoping that the school continues to invest in the program, and winning creates some excitement in those regards. We'll see.
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Post by nforkbeav on May 6, 2017 19:53:37 GMT -8
Nope just one. In spite of what you may think, I'm not looking to provoke you. I legitimately hoped you could offer some evidence, or at least a solid opinion for why we should have some hope our recruiting is about to get a lot better. If you can, please share because this Beaver fan can use some encouragement to get excited by the state of Beaver football after two dreadful years. Oh and thanks for linking to what I actually said. |
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Post by devildog on May 7, 2017 4:21:20 GMT -8
nforkbeav, here's your problem; "after two dreadful years". Your memory cells have been erased, if you only remember the past two years. Do some research on the futility of OSU football and you will realize MR sucked as a coach, for quite some time.
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Post by kersting13 on May 7, 2017 8:44:30 GMT -8
nforkbeav, here's your problem; "after two dreadful years". Your memory cells have been erased, if you only remember the past two years. Do some research on the futility of OSU football and you will realize MR sucked as a coach, for quite some time. If Mike Riley sucked for quite some time, then how would you describe Gary Andersen? He's led OSU to their worst 2-year record since 1996-97. Two fewer wins than the worst two-year cycle during Riley's tenure. I mean, the facts are kind of hard to dispute. |
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Post by nforkbeav on May 7, 2017 8:55:45 GMT -8
nforkbeav, here's your problem; "after two dreadful years". Your memory cells have been erased, if you only remember the past two years. Do some research on the futility of OSU football and you will realize MR sucked as a coach, for quite some time. My memory is quite sharp and we haven't had two consecutive years this bad since the Pettibone era. That's my problem. |
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Post by jdogge on May 7, 2017 8:58:46 GMT -8
nforkbeav, here's your problem; "after two dreadful years". Your memory cells have been erased, if you only remember the past two years. Do some research on the futility of OSU football and you will realize MR sucked as a coach, for quite some time. My memory is quite sharp and we haven't had two consecutive years this bad since the Pettibone era. That's my problem. OMG! ANOTHER MR v. GA thread. Seriously? |
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Post by nforkbeav on May 7, 2017 9:11:21 GMT -8
My memory is quite sharp and we haven't had two consecutive years this bad since the Pettibone era. That's my problem. OMG! ANOTHER MR v. GA thread. Seriously? Actually it was a GA vs Pettibone post. Until GA can surpass Pettibone's mark of 8 wins in two years is there any real point in comparing him to anyone but Pettibone. |
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