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Post by ochobeavo on May 8, 2017 16:25:36 GMT -8
Well I'm not going to regurgitate the full recruitment of everyone who has come through here, it's apparent you've made up your mind. But since I already gave you some of the GA era WR recruits on the roster or on the way, here are some of the other (pre-GA) WR battles that we won.
Other WR's on the roster last season-
Xavier Hawkins: OSU over Austin Peay, Campbell, UT Chattanooga
Jordan Villamin: OSU over EWU, Fresno State
Victor Bolden: OSU over EWU, Utah, Hawaii
Hunter Jarmon: OSU over TxTech, WSU, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa St, Missouri
Source 24/7 sports (offers)
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Post by gzrbvr on May 8, 2017 16:31:40 GMT -8
Let me ask a question--Does the argument that GA is doing a better job of recruiting than MR's team was doing, have anything to do with the generally held opinion that not all of MR's guys were pulling their own weight while all of GA's guys seem to be perceived as going all out all the time. (They may or may not be, I have no way of knowing.)
The question I ask refers to "better job" and what I mean by that is that at least GA's guys are trying even though some argument can be made (over and over, by the way) that the results aren't there yet.
Just asking.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 8, 2017 16:43:32 GMT -8
Hasn't Nemec been the Oregonian's "recruiting guru" for all of 2-3 years? I've seen him use phrases like "highest rated recruit ever" that do work if you don't go back very far. I'm not sure how much historical perspective he has just yet. I've seen plenty of recruits come in the last couple of years that are little different than Riley's recruits when it comes to who'who's been offering them.... so far. Hopefully Nemec is right and things are turning. The evidence up until now hasn't been overly dramatic in my opinion. I believe he's referring to the recruiting service that is awarding the stars. Most of them go back to the mid-2000's in terms of history/database. At least I hope that's what he means! So when he says Ethan Thompson is the highest rated hoops recruit ever - yeah, grain of salt. More like highest rated recruit of the Rivals/Scout era. Meanwhile Charlie Sitton rolls his eyes.  |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 8, 2017 18:27:48 GMT -8
Well I'm not going to regurgitate the full recruitment of everyone who has come through here, it's apparent you've made up your mind. But since I already gave you some of the GA era WR recruits on the roster or on the way, here are some of the other (pre-GA) WR battles that we won. Other WR's on the roster last season- Xavier Hawkins: OSU over Austin Peay, Campbell, UT Chattanooga Jordan Villamin: OSU over EWU, Fresno State Victor Bolden: OSU over EWU, Utah, Hawaii Hunter Jarmon: OSU over TxTech, WSU, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa St, Missouri Source 24/7 sports (offers) I doubt you really wanted to go here, but since you brought up 24/7 sports and their offer lists for several Riley recruits I guess I'll list all but a few of this year's recruits (who really got a lot of good offers, or at least one Pac 12 offer) who signed with us, and their offers according to 24/7 sports. Onesimus Lata-Clark - BYU, Delaware State, Hawaii Kesi Ah-Hoy - Hawaii, Army, Byu Aidan Willard - Cincinnati, Hawaii, New Mexico, Toledo Arex Flemings - Idaho, Utah St BJ Baylor -None Isaiah Dunn -None Kaleb Hayes -None Aaron Short -None Calvin Tyler -None Charles Watson -None Justin Suttlemayer -None Justin Gardner -None Clay Cordasco -None Josh Bowcut -None Jake Luton -None Eleven of our recruited players had NO other offers. 4 more of them didn't have Pac 12 or other power conference offers. Bacically 8 of this year's class had at least one offer at "this level". I cannot attest to the accuracy of 24/7 Sports lists, but I suspect it is. Recruiting involves a lot more that looking at who else offered. If you want to trash one coach by how many offers his kids got, you might as well trash the next. |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 8, 2017 18:42:13 GMT -8
Well I'm not going to regurgitate the full recruitment of everyone who has come through here, it's apparent you've made up your mind. But since I already gave you some of the GA era WR recruits on the roster or on the way, here are some of the other (pre-GA) WR battles that we won. Other WR's on the roster last season- Xavier Hawkins: OSU over Austin Peay, Campbell, UT Chattanooga Jordan Villamin: OSU over EWU, Fresno State Victor Bolden: OSU over EWU, Utah, Hawaii Hunter Jarmon: OSU over TxTech, WSU, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa St, Missouri Source 24/7 sports (offers) I doubt you really wanted to go here, but since you brought up 24/7 sports and their offer lists for several Riley recruits I guess I'll list all but a few of this year's recruits (who really got a lot of good offers, or at least one Pac 12 offer) who signed with us, and their offers according to 24/7 sports. Onesimus Lata-Clark - BYU, Delaware State, Hawaii Kesi Ah-Hoy - Hawaii, Army, Byu Aidan Willard - Cincinnati, Hawaii, New Mexico, Toledo Arex Flemings - Idaho, Utah St BJ Baylor -None Isaiah Dunn -None Kaleb Hayes -None Aaron Short -None Calvin Tyler -None Charles Watson -None Justin Suttlemayer -None Justin Gardner -None Clay Cordasco -None Josh Bowcut -None Jake Luton -None Eleven of our recruited players had NO other offers. 4 more of them didn't have Pac 12 or other power conference offers. Bacically 8 of this year's class had at least one offer at "this level". I cannot attest to the accuracy of 24/7 Sports lists, but I suspect it is. Recruiting involves a lot more that looking at who else offered. If you want to trash one coach by how many offers his kids got, you might as well trash the next. You may want to double check your work, we didn't bring in 11 guys with no other offers... even Luton had other offers. Mighty Austin Peay! 247sports.com/Recruitment/Calvin-Tyler-88531/RecruitInterests247sports.com/Recruitment/Charles-Watson-82264/RecruitInterests |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 8, 2017 19:04:49 GMT -8
OOPS! My bad, 24/7 bounces around while it's loading on my computer and I was doing it quickly, probably hit the wrong player as the page moved.
I was off by 5 on the no offers and a couple on the lack of power five offers. Calvin Tyler, Charles Watson, Justin Garner, Clay Cordasco and Jake Luton all got offers, not all got power 5 offers. 6 still got no offers, over a quarter of our class. Shouldn't pick and choose when making a point.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 8, 2017 19:29:24 GMT -8
I don't get where you think I'm cherry picking. The point that I made earlier is that we've won some nice battles - especially at WR and DB. This is in response to the question of what does the staff have to offer at those positions (and he mentioned QB as well) I used those examples to illustrate that point - that we've had some excellent signings at DB and WR. I also said I wasn't happy with our QB and line recruiting and that we lost out on 2 RBs (causing us to go with plan B? C? D? at the eleventh hour) and your list backs exactly why I feel that way..
If all of our kids were big wins with a long list of offers then I would think we'd be rated a hell of a lot higher by the services, agree? So again, I'm seeing progress, some big wins but there's plenty of work to do.
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Post by jdogge on May 8, 2017 19:51:33 GMT -8
Now boys!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 8, 2017 20:00:47 GMT -8
Ocho, I misread your motives. My apologies.
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Post by obf on May 8, 2017 21:44:24 GMT -8
Onesimus Lata-Clark - BYU, Delaware State, Hawaii Kesi Ah-Hoy - Hawaii, Army, Byu Aidan Willard - Cincinnati, Hawaii, New Mexico, Toledo Arex Flemings - Idaho, Utah St, WSUBJ Baylor - Howard, Texas Southern Certainly not powerhouses , but he had other offersIsaiah Dunn - Utah, BYU, Hawaii, Nevada ( 5 other mid majors) Kaleb Hayes - BYU, Frsno State, Cal PolyAaron Short - JC recruit, so not a lot of enough, definitely looks like we were the only ones really pursuing himCalvin Tyler - Cal, Frsneck, and 8 other mid majorsCharles Watson - BYU, Colorado, Fresno, WSU, and 5 other mid majors (Is Vandy a mid major even though it is nominally in the SEC?) Justin Suttlemayer - Another JC who committed to us early and didn't shop around at all Justin Gardner - Fresno State, Georgia State (He is a 2* so not a ton of love  ) Clay Cordasco - Nevada, Texas Tech Josh Bowcut - 2*, intrest from (but no offer) BYU, WSU, Nevada Jake Luton - a JC so again info is sparse... But we locked him down quick before he got many other offers (just Idaho), he had intrest from BYU, Cal, Tennessee, UW, and WSUJust so we get a good accounting... I filled in the above with what Rivals had for them. I like rivals layout way better easier to read and find things... So... by my count only 3 of the recruits you listed had no other offers, one JC guy who locked on to us early and never wavier and so wasn;t pursued, one JC guy who was scrambling to find a team to be on (so truly no other offers ) and one 2* HS recruit who also truly had no other offers... |
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Post by obf on May 8, 2017 21:48:54 GMT -8
Ocho gave you a nice starting list just a few posts above, but here... let me quote it for you, and bold the parts you skimmed over: You can question Nemec's credibility all you want, but all you have to back it up is.... bluster, so... where is YOUR list of evidence? That's evidence of what? Let me remind you again what the question is. How many P12 teams are we beating out now versus prior. Which ones. I don't see that list, where is it? OK... now you are just blind, or just being purposely obtuse... you QUOTED the stinking list... But here it is ONCE AGAIN, just for you, all parsed out of the surrounding text since you can't be bothered to read the whole paragraph: | Recruit | Schools that offered that he rejected to choose us: | | Isaiah Hodgins | UW, Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin, and a dozen others | | Quantino Allen | Almost 20 offers ASU, Miami, Utah a couple highlights | | Kolby Taylor | ASU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Louisville | | Trevon Bradford | ASU, WSU, BSU | | Christian Wallace | UT, TCU, MSU | | Trajon Cotton | Nebraska, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Utah and Colorado | | Jeffrey Manning | UCLA, Utah, WSU, Boise State, Colorado |
To find those type of comparable "recruiting wins" you have to go back to the 2013 class (which was our best class since they started keeping track of ratings, and ironically was a class of almost ALL busts) BTW, still waiting for you to produce anything other than bluster and put downs... |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 9, 2017 6:51:49 GMT -8
Ocho, I misread your motives. My apologies. No worries my man... |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 9, 2017 8:09:44 GMT -8
That's evidence of what? Let me remind you again what the question is. How many P12 teams are we beating out now versus prior. Which ones. I don't see that list, where is it? OK... now you are just blind, or just being purposely obtuse... you QUOTED the stinking list... But here it is ONCE AGAIN, just for you, all parsed out of the surrounding text since you can't be bothered to read the whole paragraph: | Recruit | Schools that offered that he rejected to choose us: | | Isaiah Hodgins | UW, Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin, and a dozen others | | Quantino Allen | Almost 20 offers ASU, Miami, Utah a couple highlights | | Kolby Taylor | ASU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Louisville | | Trevon Bradford | ASU, WSU, BSU | | Christian Wallace | UT, TCU, MSU | | Trajon Cotton | Nebraska, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Utah and Colorado | | Jeffrey Manning | UCLA, Utah, WSU, Boise State, Colorado |
To find those type of comparable "recruiting wins" you have to go back to the 2013 class (which was our best class since they started keeping track of ratings, and ironically was a class of almost ALL busts) BTW, still waiting for you to produce anything other than bluster and put downs... To be honest that list covers two classes of about 50 kids... you list 7. On top of that the published list of "offers" is not factual. They may have had interest, but I know for a fact that two on your list were never offered by all the schools your list/source claims. "Offers" and what happens come LOI day is a much different story. I some cases kids sign with the best option they have left. The recruiting debate on every level is lame. Alm the numbers, "offers" are completely subjective (some sites actually have the kids tell them who has offered) It comes down to kids that have signed that actually produce on the field and it leads to team successes. That is a truly objective measure. Can the coach evaluate, sign, coach to their scheme, and have success. So far GA has not been successful... evaluation and signing is lacking in key areas. Not sure how they can coach to a scheme if it's constantly changing. The book is still out, but there is really no debate. |
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Post by nabeav on May 9, 2017 8:25:03 GMT -8
Really I'm just waiting to see how many of those guys end up switching sides of the ball in 2019.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 9, 2017 8:26:33 GMT -8
To be fair....I'd say so far we have yet to see the full results of GA's recruiting work, as opposed to saying he has not been successful so far.
He's had a transition class, traditionally a weak class for lots of coaches, and one other class that even had a chance to hit the field.
It's really hard to judge.
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