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Post by beavs6 on Jan 8, 2017 20:54:17 GMT -8
This is why after going to BF.com a few times I never went back. I'm all for discussion, but why is there a need to get in so many pissing matches with other posters? I agree and I'm guilty of being "pissed at" after a post and letting it go. I guess I'm always thinking someone might want to know why I don't have to think like they do... mistake I know. What happened to letting it go? (*sigh*. Nevermind.) |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 8, 2017 20:59:31 GMT -8
My pleasure over gettng 2 solid commitments isn't so much about whether or not these 2 receivers are the next Brandon Cooks or Markus Whearon. It's about getting a coveted player to choose Oregon State over other name schools that want them! I review the recruiting lists 2-3 years after. It is surprising the number of recruits that don't qualify or pan out. also the number of underrated or late developers who become NFL talent. Still there is no need to rain on other's parade during this slow time of year! First, did you actually "view the rain"? Second... If voicing another view is all it takes to be "raining" then some people need a little tougher skin. Really? I'd hope the adults on here are a little more in control of their own emotions than to hand over the keys to a note on a message board! WOWZA What does replying 10-11 times to this thread say about your skin? Seems real thin Sophomore. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 21:03:48 GMT -8
First, did you actually "view the rain"? Second... If voicing another view is all it takes to be "raining" then some people need a little tougher skin. Really? I'd hope the adults on here are a little more in control of their own emotions than to hand over the keys to a note on a message board! WOWZA What does replying 10-11 times to this thread say about your skin? Seems real thin Sophomore. So... there's rules on the # of posts? And, you might want to see if your post makes any sense... raining vs # of posts?? Ya... guess not?! "Skin" has zero to do with my posts... I'm not trying to be right ir convince anyone to come over to the dark side. However, snow level and "fish on" does! 😉 |
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Post by nabeav on Jan 8, 2017 22:58:48 GMT -8
Guys! 42% of our commitments for next year are wide receivers! FORTY-TWO PERCENT!! Focus here. Is this a problem? Are we moving half of them to DB? Can one of them throw the football to the others?
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 9, 2017 8:30:00 GMT -8
Guys! 42% of our commitments for next year are wide receivers! FORTY-TWO PERCENT!! Focus here. Is this a problem? Are we moving half of them to DB? Can one of them throw the football to the others? When we come out in that 8 WR set, the others guys won't know what hit them..or they'll hit our QB a lot. One of those.. #CrazylikeaFox? I'm wondering if Calvin falling in our lap leads to that uncomfortable "no vacancy" conversation with one of the lesser rated WRs who previously committed.. or someone moves to DB, but I'm not sure who that would be. Wouldn't be Calvin or Hodgins, doubt it's Taylor.. Flemings is generously listed at 150 lbs so that doesn't work. Quantino Allen is 5'11" 202 - maybe he's a candidate at RB/DB. Kaleb Hayes has indicated that he is starting out as a DB. not sure if you counted him at WR or not. Either way, let's all band together, activate the Benny's House Telepathy Machine (patent pending) and let GA know that we're done at WR, seriously...go get us some fat boys. |
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Post by nabeav on Jan 9, 2017 8:52:38 GMT -8
Guys! 42% of our commitments for next year are wide receivers! FORTY-TWO PERCENT!! Focus here. Is this a problem? Are we moving half of them to DB? Can one of them throw the football to the others? When we come out in that 8 WR set, the others guys won't know what hit them..or they'll hit our QB a lot. One of those.. #CrazylikeaFox? I'm wondering if Calvin falling in our lap leads to that uncomfortable "no vacancy" conversation with one of the lesser rated WRs who previously committed.. or someone moves to DB, but I'm not sure who that would be.  Wouldn't be Calvin or Hodgins, doubt it's Taylor.. Flemings is generously listed at 150 lbs so that doesn't work. Quantino Allen is 5'11" 202 - maybe he's a candidate at RB/DB.  Kaleb Hayes has indicated that he is starting out as a DB. not sure if you counted him at WR or not. Either way, let's all band together, activate the Benny's House Telepathy Machine (patent pending) and let GA know that we're done at WR, seriously...go get us some fat boys. Numbers came from an Andrew Nemec post on OregonLive that said 8 of 19 commits were WR. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 9, 2017 9:06:53 GMT -8
When we come out in that 8 WR set, the others guys won't know what hit them..or they'll hit our QB a lot. One of those.. #CrazylikeaFox? I'm wondering if Calvin falling in our lap leads to that uncomfortable "no vacancy" conversation with one of the lesser rated WRs who previously committed.. or someone moves to DB, but I'm not sure who that would be. Wouldn't be Calvin or Hodgins, doubt it's Taylor.. Flemings is generously listed at 150 lbs so that doesn't work. Quantino Allen is 5'11" 202 - maybe he's a candidate at RB/DB. Kaleb Hayes has indicated that he is starting out as a DB. not sure if you counted him at WR or not. Either way, let's all band together, activate the Benny's House Telepathy Machine (patent pending) and let GA know that we're done at WR, seriously...go get us some fat boys. Numbers came from an Andrew Nemec post on OregonLive that said 8 of 19 commits were WR. He's counting Hayes who has said first hand that he's been offered at OSU at DB and some lower level schools at QB (played QB/DB in HS). Some services have him at ATH, others at WR.. Not that it really matters, like you said, we have way too many WRs in this class. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 9, 2017 9:13:25 GMT -8
I will give 1111 credit for being consistent. 5 replies in a short period of time to five different posters. Very consistent in multiple ways. Wow. To stay on topic. I think this is an OUTSTANDING pick-up.(read verbal). I think he does stick. We seem to be filling some areas of need . A couple more big guys on both sides of the line and a DB or two would be nice. But for this thread...this is GREAT news! "I will give 1111 credit for being consistent. 5 replies in a short period of time to five different posters. Very consistent in multiple ways. Wow." And all of them are thin-skinned responses to perceived slights. I wonder if Herr Trumpsky is a Beaver fan. Yeah, I too think this is a big deal. Maybe a few of these receivers and athletes will be turned into DBs. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 9, 2017 9:16:31 GMT -8
What does replying 10-11 times to this thread say about your skin? Seems real thin Sophomore. So... there's rules on the # of posts? And, you might want to see if your post makes any sense... raining vs # of posts?? Ya... guess not?! "Skin" has zero to do with my posts... I'm not trying to be right ir convince anyone to come over to the dark side. However, snow level and "fish on" does! 😉 Hahahaha ... I'd respond to this, but it would make no difference ... hahahaha. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 9, 2017 9:21:15 GMT -8
Guys! 42% of our commitments for next year are wide receivers! FORTY-TWO PERCENT!! Focus here. Is this a problem? Are we moving half of them to DB? Can one of them throw the football to the others? I'm not worried. Between the 9 WRs and the ATHs in this class, I'm sure a few will end up in the defensive backfield. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2017 12:07:21 GMT -8
Blowcheese has been around forever.. he's definitely not a "johnny cheerleader" type. Just saying. I'm with you on not celebrating every single verbal commitment made on twitter - it's all just publicity until the LOI is signed. Commits flip all the time, and we've been on both the winning and losing end of it. But just hear me out on the rest before you slam the door: If you had a chart that graphed how often kids flip, the lowest risk category would be the ones who announced their commitment in a big formal announcement like the US Army game. Big public announcements are usually solid as a rule, and maybe it's because it's such a big production that they don't want to have to deal with it any more but most of these kids will stop taking any calls from recruiters. You hear how recruiting is such a circus and as much fun as it was at first, they're relieved to be done with it. So these big public commitments are worthy of a little more celebration and don't deserve to have the cold water thrown on them as much... just my opinion. Great Day to Be a Beaver is just a euphemism for "let's celebrate". You say "how is this day a greater day to be a Beaver than yesterday" - pretty simple. Yesterday we didn't have a commitment from a blue chip WR, today we do. That's how. It is reason to celebrate! Separate sidebar discussion: Needs. I'm not sure the need at WR should be discounted. We have some serviceable players and Villy has tremendous potential but it's all very unrealized potential. Bolden has that big play potential but he's so dang inconsistent. An impact-maker at WR is badly needed and will change the complexion of the offense. We need to find a future NFL WR to pair up with Nall in the backfield so we can get this offense up and running. I think we have most of the pieces on the OL if we can keep the key guys healthy. I know DL/ILB is a bigger "need" at this time but this is still a position of dire need IMO. Both Isaiah and Jamire have the potential to play as true frosh if they come in and ball out, and with this offense (vs. the Riley Pro Set) the route trees and concepts are simpler so I think it's worth talking about with some excitement. We need playmakers. Thank you for an actually well thought out rebuttal. There is no argument from me in your points as most are based on ambiguous defintions... take a few: "cheerleader" - you definitely are when you promote a highly popular point of view and the only rebuttal is personal attacks. So, yep, he's been here a long time and that happens to be a routine "MO" for him. "Great day..." - celebrate? As I said celebrate is not quite what I do for recruits. There might be different distinctions, but concerning OSU I tend to "celebrate" W's, player/team achievements. Maybe even a great recruiting class... that sign, are eligible, show up for practice. "Big public announcement..." - as I stated very succinctly in the original post, which has long since buried, the best part of this was the publicity for GA and his program. Until this kid or any other signs they are not a Beaver. NCAA rule and no fault of the kid, but his announcing in that fashion and his interview are actually the bigger story until he signs and steps on the field. Even then, you can argue his classmate or any other kid that may be swayed our way is the bigger "story/recruit". Anyway... I appreciate all points of view and don't mind being "wrong" in the eyes if other intelligent posters who actually add to the information on the board. Thanks for being one of those Beaver fans. warning: Pontificating Ahead I'm the first in line with the "we need to stop the ad hominem stuff". I agree that we're debating semantics and not hard facts - there's just no reason why we can't keep it above the belt, IMO. But I moderated a message board for 20 years so I've developed fairly thick skin and a high tolerance for shenanigans before someone can get a reaction from me. My MO is to separate the message from the messenger and I simply choose to address what you're saying vs how you're saying it. General Statement for the purposes of furthering the discussion (lest you think I'm somehow preaching at you specifically): Some things nobody needs to "win" - we have a difference of opinion. What I don't want to see, is the articulate dissenters get shouted down by groupthink. We need polarizing ideas or else this is one big forum full of people making a post and everyone else saying "I agree". Not exactly stimulating. Note that I didn't further debate any of the points - I've said my piece and you've responded in such a way that makes it clear our opinions are fairly well-cemented and neither of us are going to sway each other much from our stated position. I'm good with that. I'm super done with ever moderating again, but some of the influential/articulate ones amongst us can do a lot to foster that type of environment leading by example. That said, if nobody uses any colorful language and is unwaveringly polite this will be the most boring message board ever. SOMEBODY has to be the joker, we can't ALL be Batman. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2017 12:09:33 GMT -8
Guys! 42% of our commitments for next year are wide receivers! FORTY-TWO PERCENT!! Focus here. Is this a problem? Are we moving half of them to DB? Can one of them throw the football to the others? No but I think we need playmakers and athletes and that's what most of these kids are. Not sure they all project to play WR... Richard Seigler was a high school receiver.  I think it's also been rightfully pointed out in this thread that there is a spot in this offense for the Paul Lucas-type athlete too. |
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 9, 2017 12:35:33 GMT -8
View AttachmentIt is discouraging that even when we get great positive news, too many of us turn into sarcastic movie critics, looking for any opportunity to pounce! I can't remember the last time the Beavs got two 4 star receivers in the same class! Let's celebrate instead of play Rex Reed ladies! Ya... no sarcasm there Miss! Then there's the fact you're making the real point that disappointment over everyone not believing exactly as others do is truly the disappointment. Then... think on the whole * system... are 4* players are all equal? Did they play against the best HS talent in their area? Have they signed or qualified? played a down of D1 ball? And, in OSU's case specifically, our best WR (when we actually threw the ball with quality QBs) were typically what * level? So, be excited. No one did people should or could not be. But, not all knowledgeable (as most "everyday" fans have no idea on recruiting and only learn of players once they contribute) fans put a lot of stock in recruiting... ratings, BS publicity, etc. Coaches go after talent that fits their system and mentality, NOT their star rating. Hence, we've had what gurus would rate "low level" kids turn out to be gems. Not because ratings were wrong... but because you can't rank certain aspects of an athlete until he actually gets into the system and grind of D1 athletics and academics. So 4* means what at this point in time? So you be excited about random "potential" typically rated by guys who have seen only film clips. They are called highlights for a reason! I'll save my exuberance for athletes that SHOW UP on the field and make us a highly competitive tough D1 football team. I will say that I have been greatly disappointed in the past when too many Simi Kuli's (huge "gets" that never play a down for us) or Shaydon Akunas (huge reps and star ratings who just never realized potential) have signed on the line. Having big-time players who are talented enough to play for virtually anyone is always exciting. Every program fortunate enough to get 4 or 5 star guys deals with hits and misses. The problem when you get as few as we have traditional signed is that those misses hurt us a lot more than they do the USCs or Alabamas. In my case, it causes me to always be excited when they verbal - it's good pub for the Beavs and encouraging to think about talent upgrades - but our history also has left me cautious and leary wondering "OK, what's the catch?!" It is cool to see the Beaver cap selected in a high profile announcement. It doesn't happen often enough! |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2017 13:14:14 GMT -8
Ya... no sarcasm there Miss! Then there's the fact you're making the real point that disappointment over everyone not believing exactly as others do is truly the disappointment. Then... think on the whole * system... are 4* players are all equal? Did they play against the best HS talent in their area? Have they signed or qualified? played a down of D1 ball? And, in OSU's case specifically, our best WR (when we actually threw the ball with quality QBs) were typically what * level? So, be excited. No one did people should or could not be. But, not all knowledgeable (as most "everyday" fans have no idea on recruiting and only learn of players once they contribute) fans put a lot of stock in recruiting... ratings, BS publicity, etc. Coaches go after talent that fits their system and mentality, NOT their star rating. Hence, we've had what gurus would rate "low level" kids turn out to be gems. Not because ratings were wrong... but because you can't rank certain aspects of an athlete until he actually gets into the system and grind of D1 athletics and academics. So 4* means what at this point in time? So you be excited about random "potential" typically rated by guys who have seen only film clips. They are called highlights for a reason! I'll save my exuberance for athletes that SHOW UP on the field and make us a highly competitive tough D1 football team. I will say that I have been greatly disappointed in the past when too many Simi Kuli's (huge "gets" that never play a down for us) or Shaydon Akunas (huge reps and star ratings who just never realized potential) have signed on the line. Having big-time players who are talented enough to play for virtually anyone is always exciting. Every program fortunate enough to get 4 or 5 star guys deals with hits and misses. The problem when you get as few as we have traditional signed is that those misses hurt us a lot more than they do the USCs or Alabamas. In my case, it causes me to always be excited when they verbal - it's good pub for the Beavs and encouraging to think about talent upgrades - but our history also has left me cautious and leary wondering "OK, what's the catch?!" It is cool to see the Beaver cap selected in a high profile announcement. It doesn't happen often enough! We've had some flops but we also had some guys who came in as a 4-star or near 4-star like Brandin Cooks who are everything we ever hoped they could be and then some. Getting hung up on the Rodney Landingham's but celebrating the Mike Hass's .. Hasses... Hass'.. Hasi?.. lol is like having your cake and eating it too. Or not being excited about a big junior season a RB has just because Ken Simonton didn't get 1000 yards his senior year. We all need to just relax and enjoy the good things when they happen without too much fretting about whether it will turn out perfectly, and leave all the hand wringing about whether it's ok to celebrate now or do we have to wait until signing day or do we have to wait until he gets accepted into school or do we have to wait until he starts tearing it up in practice or do we have to wait until he makes it into a game or takes over a game or sets a conference record.. where's your line in the sand? Mine is anywhere that makes me smile a bit about OSU Football and I'm not afraid to dream about the positive aspects a little out loud. I don't believe in jinxes. If it turns out that I was too optimistic.. shrug. It's more fun to be glass half-full, for me. But if your lot in life is to be the wet blanket/voice of reason then that's cool with me too.. still can't take away the shine for me. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2017 14:23:26 GMT -8
I will say that I have been greatly disappointed in the past when too many Simi Kuli's (huge "gets" that never play a down for us) or Shaydon Akunas (huge reps and star ratings who just never realized potential) have signed on the line. Having big-time players who are talented enough to play for virtually anyone is always exciting. Every program fortunate enough to get 4 or 5 star guys deals with hits and misses. The problem when you get as few as we have traditional signed is that those misses hurt us a lot more than they do the USCs or Alabamas. In my case, it causes me to always be excited when they verbal - it's good pub for the Beavs and encouraging to think about talent upgrades - but our history also has left me cautious and leary wondering "OK, what's the catch?!" It is cool to see the Beaver cap selected in a high profile announcement. It doesn't happen often enough! We've had some flops but we also had some guys who came in as a 4-star or near 4-star like Brandin Cooks who are everything we ever hoped they could be and then some. Â Getting hung up on the Rodney Landingham's but celebrating the Mike Hass's .. Hasses... Hass'.. Hasi?.. lol is like having your cake and eating it too. Â Or not being excited about a big junior season a RB has just because Ken Simonton didn't get 1000 yards his senior year. We all need to just relax and enjoy the good things when they happen without too much fretting about whether it will turn out perfectly, and leave all the hand wringing about whether it's ok to celebrate now or do we have to wait until signing day or do we have to wait until he gets accepted into school or do we have to wait until he starts tearing it up in practice or do we have to wait until he makes it into a game or takes over a game or sets a conference record.. where's your line in the sand? Mine is anywhere that makes me smile a bit about OSU Football and I'm not afraid to dream about the positive aspects a little out loud. Â I don't believe in jinxes. If it turns out that I was too optimistic.. shrug. Â It's more fun to be glass half-full, for me. Â But if your lot in life is to be the wet blanket/voice of reason then that's cool with me too.. still can't take away the shine for me. Point well said and reiterated by others... opposing viewpoints or takes on life should not cause the reader to feel any different about their particular take. Any emotional "rain" is on the reader. There is no one, at least any post I've read, that said, "... think and feel as I do..." if that is the interpretation then again who has the real issue. |
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