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Post by rollotomasi on Jan 8, 2017 9:51:58 GMT -8
Well... for now is great publicity. But, lest we forget it is not a signing. And, as we've seen the full court press is just beginning for major recruits. Will be great get when he signs. More hoping for top level OL/DL gets... along with a young QB to develop and hang our hat on for 2018. If there is one area I don't see as a great need is WR. But, then again I don't see they need for all the 6'2"-6'5" shooting guard types either!? You strike me as the sort of fella who'd bitch about winning the lottery, because you'd have to pay some income tax. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 8, 2017 10:15:30 GMT -8
Baseba111 i think i did respond to your actual post. Your only comment was to cast doubt on the credibility of Jamire Calvin's commitment. It feels like you are dumping a bucket of cold water on this thread, which 99% of Beav Fans would consider to be 100% Great Day To Be A Beaver stuff. I don't usually load the wagon on verbal commitments when they just show up on twitter or when they come in the form of a scoop on one of the paid recruiting services. I prefer to ignore most of that kind of news and see who actually signs and THEN who actually makes it onto the roster. But this is different. True Blue chipper. Has the film to back it up from what i can tell. Chose OS on National TV. We have seen the orange lid now about 10 times on this broadcast alone. This is worth celebrating. I don't understand an initial reaction of doubting the commitment. You seem to have an issue evaluating your own posts. In no way did I cast doubt. Might have been your interpretation... just said until signing day it is great publicity. Commits flip ALL the time. The I told you so comment has zero to do with anything but your lack of an intelligent reply. As is the last post. You just tend to make stuff up to try and support the inability to read what is actually written. So "dumping cold water" is legit... but, also realistic. Way too much optimism is put in commits as proven by recent changes. Couple that with way too much bitching and blaming when signing day gets here and kids change their minds and schools "steal" recruits that aren't really ours! So... really hiw is today any greater day to be a Beaver than yesterday? The fact you also try to be "johnny cheerleader" focusing on the 4* feel good aspect (oh wow HS film looks great... that makes it sure thing lol) and ignoring other points made... like, the publicity is really all that happened until signing, and is a very good thing... that we have far greater needs than another WR... etc. So keep up the rah rah... read only what you chose... but, it doesn't change the fact he or any other "commit" is not a Beaver until signing day. Then welcome. And, then not a difference maker until ya know they actually make a difference. Blowcheese has been around forever.. he's definitely not a "johnny cheerleader" type. Just saying. I'm with you on not celebrating every single verbal commitment made on twitter - it's all just publicity until the LOI is signed. Commits flip all the time, and we've been on both the winning and losing end of it. But just hear me out on the rest before you slam the door: If you had a chart that graphed how often kids flip, the lowest risk category would be the ones who announced their commitment in a big formal announcement like the US Army game. Big public announcements are usually solid as a rule, and maybe it's because it's such a big production that they don't want to have to deal with it any more but most of these kids will stop taking any calls from recruiters. You hear how recruiting is such a circus and as much fun as it was at first, they're relieved to be done with it. So these big public commitments are worthy of a little more celebration and don't deserve to have the cold water thrown on them as much... just my opinion. Great Day to Be a Beaver is just a euphemism for "let's celebrate". You say "how is this day a greater day to be a Beaver than yesterday" - pretty simple. Yesterday we didn't have a commitment from a blue chip WR, today we do. That's how. It is reason to celebrate! Separate sidebar discussion: Needs. I'm not sure the need at WR should be discounted. We have some serviceable players and Villy has tremendous potential but it's all very unrealized potential. Bolden has that big play potential but he's so dang inconsistent. An impact-maker at WR is badly needed and will change the complexion of the offense. We need to find a future NFL WR to pair up with Nall in the backfield so we can get this offense up and running. I think we have most of the pieces on the OL if we can keep the key guys healthy. I know DL/ILB is a bigger "need" at this time but this is still a position of dire need IMO. Both Isaiah and Jamire have the potential to play as true frosh if they come in and ball out, and with this offense (vs. the Riley Pro Set) the route trees and concepts are simpler so I think it's worth talking about with some excitement. We need playmakers. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 11:35:52 GMT -8
Well... for now is great publicity. But, lest we forget it is not a signing. And, as we've seen the full court press is just beginning for major recruits. Will be great get when he signs. More hoping for top level OL/DL gets... along with a young QB to develop and hang our hat on for 2018. If there is one area I don't see as a great need is WR. But, then again I don't see they need for all the 6'2"-6'5" shooting guard types either!? You strike me as the sort of fella who'd bitch about winning the lottery, because you'd have to pay some income tax. And you a "bandwagon" guy who jumps on a few days late with little other to offer than regurgitation. So there we go... |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 11:57:41 GMT -8
You seem to have an issue evaluating your own posts. In no way did I cast doubt. Might have been your interpretation... just said until signing day it is great publicity. Commits flip ALL the time. The I told you so comment has zero to do with anything but your lack of an intelligent reply. As is the last post. You just tend to make stuff up to try and support the inability to read what is actually written. So "dumping cold water" is legit... but, also realistic. Way too much optimism is put in commits as proven by recent changes. Couple that with way too much bitching and blaming when signing day gets here and kids change their minds and schools "steal" recruits that aren't really ours! So... really hiw is today any greater day to be a Beaver than yesterday? The fact you also try to be "johnny cheerleader" focusing on the 4* feel good aspect (oh wow HS film looks great... that makes it sure thing lol) and ignoring other points made... like, the publicity is really all that happened until signing, and is a very good thing... that we have far greater needs than another WR... etc. So keep up the rah rah... read only what you chose... but, it doesn't change the fact he or any other "commit" is not a Beaver until signing day. Then welcome. And, then not a difference maker until ya know they actually make a difference. Blowcheese has been around forever.. he's definitely not a "johnny cheerleader" type. Just saying. I'm with you on not celebrating every single verbal commitment made on twitter - it's all just publicity until the LOI is signed. Commits flip all the time, and we've been on both the winning and losing end of it. But just hear me out on the rest before you slam the door: If you had a chart that graphed how often kids flip, the lowest risk category would be the ones who announced their commitment in a big formal announcement like the US Army game. Big public announcements are usually solid as a rule, and maybe it's because it's such a big production that they don't want to have to deal with it any more but most of these kids will stop taking any calls from recruiters. You hear how recruiting is such a circus and as much fun as it was at first, they're relieved to be done with it. So these big public commitments are worthy of a little more celebration and don't deserve to have the cold water thrown on them as much... just my opinion. Great Day to Be a Beaver is just a euphemism for "let's celebrate". You say "how is this day a greater day to be a Beaver than yesterday" - pretty simple. Yesterday we didn't have a commitment from a blue chip WR, today we do. That's how. It is reason to celebrate! Separate sidebar discussion: Needs. I'm not sure the need at WR should be discounted. We have some serviceable players and Villy has tremendous potential but it's all very unrealized potential. Bolden has that big play potential but he's so dang inconsistent. An impact-maker at WR is badly needed and will change the complexion of the offense. We need to find a future NFL WR to pair up with Nall in the backfield so we can get this offense up and running. I think we have most of the pieces on the OL if we can keep the key guys healthy. I know DL/ILB is a bigger "need" at this time but this is still a position of dire need IMO. Both Isaiah and Jamire have the potential to play as true frosh if they come in and ball out, and with this offense (vs. the Riley Pro Set) the route trees and concepts are simpler so I think it's worth talking about with some excitement. We need playmakers. Thank you for an actually well thought out rebuttal. There is no argument from me in your points as most are based on ambiguous defintions... take a few: "cheerleader" - you definitely are when you promote a highly popular point of view and the only rebuttal is personal attacks. So, yep, he's been here a long time and that happens to be a routine "MO" for him. "Great day..." - celebrate? As I said celebrate is not quite what I do for recruits. There might be different distinctions, but concerning OSU I tend to "celebrate" W's, player/team achievements. Maybe even a great recruiting class... that sign, are eligible, show up for practice. "Big public announcement..." - as I stated very succinctly in the original post, which has long since buried, the best part of this was the publicity for GA and his program. Until this kid or any other signs they are not a Beaver. NCAA rule and no fault of the kid, but his announcing in that fashion and his interview are actually the bigger story until he signs and steps on the field. Even then, you can argue his classmate or any other kid that may be swayed our way is the bigger "story/recruit". Anyway... I appreciate all points of view and don't mind being "wrong" in the eyes if other intelligent posters who actually add to the information on the board. Thanks for being one of those Beaver fans. |
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Post by oosik on Jan 8, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -8
 It is discouraging that even when we get great positive news, too many of us turn into sarcastic movie critics, looking for any opportunity to pounce! I can't remember the last time the Beavs got two 4 star receivers in the same class! Let's celebrate instead of play Rex Reed ladies! |
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Post by ag87 on Jan 8, 2017 12:59:58 GMT -8
This is why after going to BF.com a few times I never went back. I'm all for discussion, but why is there a need to get in so many pissing matches with other posters?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 13:02:26 GMT -8
View AttachmentIt is discouraging that even when we get great positive news, too many of us turn into sarcastic movie critics, looking for any opportunity to pounce! I can't remember the last time the Beavs got two 4 star receivers in the same class! Let's celebrate instead of play Rex Reed ladies! Ya... no sarcasm there Miss! Then there's the fact you're making the real point that disappointment over everyone not believing exactly as others do is truly the disappointment. Then... think on the whole * system... are 4* players are all equal? Did they play against the best HS talent in their area? Have they signed or qualified? played a down of D1 ball? And, in OSU's case specifically, our best WR (when we actually threw the ball with quality QBs) were typically what * level? So, be excited. No one did people should or could not be. But, not all knowledgeable (as most "everyday" fans have no idea on recruiting and only learn of players once they contribute) fans put a lot of stock in recruiting... ratings, BS publicity, etc. Coaches go after talent that fits their system and mentality, NOT their star rating. Hence, we've had what gurus would rate "low level" kids turn out to be gems. Not because ratings were wrong... but because you can't rank certain aspects of an athlete until he actually gets into the system and grind of D1 athletics and academics. So 4* means what at this point in time? So you be excited about random "potential" typically rated by guys who have seen only film clips. They are called highlights for a reason! I'll save my exuberance for athletes that SHOW UP on the field and make us a highly competitive tough D1 football team. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 13:05:56 GMT -8
This is why after going to BF.com a few times I never went back. I'm all for discussion, but why is there a need to get in so many pissing matches with other posters? I agree and I'm guilty of being "pissed at" after making a post and not letting it go. I guess I'm always thinking someone might want to know why I don't have to think like they do... mistake I know. Then there's the fact that all threads go in many different directions and replies often are on new topic within same thread. And... then there is just the people study that goes on. |
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Post by rockybeav on Jan 8, 2017 13:07:47 GMT -8
It is discouraging that even when we get great positive news, too many of us turn into sarcastic movie critics, looking for any opportunity to pounce! I can't remember the last time the Beavs got two 4 star receivers in the same class! Let's celebrate instead of play Rex Reed ladies! Ya... no sarcasm there Miss! Then there's the fact you're making the real point that disappointment over everyone not believing exactly as others do is truly the disappointment. Then... think on the whole * system... are 4* players are all equal? Did they play against the best HS talent in their area? Have they signed or qualified? played a down of D1 ball? And, in OSU's case specifically, our best WR (when we actually threw the ball with quality QBs) were typically what * level? So, be excited. No one did people should or could not be. But, not all knowledgeable (as most "everyday" fans have no idea on recruiting and only learn of players once they contribute) fans put a lot of stock in recruiting... ratings, BS publicity, etc. Coaches go after talent that fits their system and mentality, NOT their star rating. Hence, we've had what gurus would rate "low level" kids turn out to be gems. Not because ratings were wrong... but because you can't rank certain aspects of an athlete until he actually gets into the system and grind of D1 athletics and academics. So 4* means what at this point in time? So you be excited about random "potential" typically rated by guys who have seen only film clips. They are called highlights for a reason! I'll save my exuberance for athletes that SHOW UP on the field and make us a highly competitive tough D1 football team. I thought you didn't like subjective traits in a team such as "toughness." Perhaps I was mistaking your previous posts for someone else. And feel free to reply. From now on, the only replies you get from me will be :-) :-) |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 13:11:52 GMT -8
Ya... no sarcasm there Miss! Then there's the fact you're making the real point that disappointment over everyone not believing exactly as others do is truly the disappointment. Then... think on the whole * system... are 4* players are all equal? Did they play against the best HS talent in their area? Have they signed or qualified? played a down of D1 ball? And, in OSU's case specifically, our best WR (when we actually threw the ball with quality QBs) were typically what * level? So, be excited. No one did people should or could not be. But, not all knowledgeable (as most "everyday" fans have no idea on recruiting and only learn of players once they contribute) fans put a lot of stock in recruiting... ratings, BS publicity, etc. Coaches go after talent that fits their system and mentality, NOT their star rating. Hence, we've had what gurus would rate "low level" kids turn out to be gems. Not because ratings were wrong... but because you can't rank certain aspects of an athlete until he actually gets into the system and grind of D1 athletics and academics. So 4* means what at this point in time? So you be excited about random "potential" typically rated by guys who have seen only film clips. They are called highlights for a reason! I'll save my exuberance for athletes that SHOW UP on the field and make us a highly competitive tough D1 football team. I thought you didn't like subjective traits in a team such as "toughness." Perhaps I mistaking your previous posts for someone else. And feel free to reply. From now on, the only replies you get from me will be :-) :-) "Toughness" is subjective when used to compare team to team, for example the often used, "... our defenses under GA are tougher than..." Toughness is a quality I'd like to see in our team, but is not measurable in a comparative sense. ;>) ;>) ;>) |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 8, 2017 14:54:36 GMT -8
Personally, I am going to bask in the fact that on TV, some high profile recruit with an array of name-brand university hats in front of him (including familiar A and N), chose to pick up and don the Beaver logo hat......
This dude might not follow through on his commitment, he might not play a down, he might not catch a pass, he might not win the Belitnekoff, he might not graduate or go to the NFL, but he DID commit to the Beavers publicly. And that makes it a great day to be a Beaver.
Over the last many years, I have tuned in to several such "choose my school" ceremonies, just to have the recruit (who was that Portland kid that even showed up wearing orange before going UCLA?) pick some other school. In more sports than just football.
So for CGA to land such a recruit in such a high profile way is a really good sign.
And it can't hurt, at this moment in time.
The rest, as they say, is just gravy.
Go Beavs!
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 8, 2017 15:01:03 GMT -8
I will give 1111 credit for being consistent. 5 replies in a short period of time to five different posters. Very consistent in multiple ways. Wow.
To stay on topic. I think this is an OUTSTANDING pick-up.(read verbal). I think he does stick. We seem to be filling some areas of need . A couple more big guys on both sides of the line and a DB or two would be nice. But for this thread...this is GREAT news!
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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 8, 2017 15:07:13 GMT -8
It is discouraging that even when we get great positive news, too many of us turn into sarcastic movie critics, looking for any opportunity to pounce! I can't remember the last time the Beavs got two 4 star receivers in the same class! Let's celebrate instead of play Rex Reed ladies! 2009 Class had Reggie Dunn**** and Marcus Wheaton*** or **** depending on service, but his offer list was tremendous either way. 2011 Brandon Cooks*** or ****, Richard Mullaney*** or **** again depending on service. 2013 Jarmon, Villamin, and Bolden. I think some services had Villamin**** not sure on Jarmon or Bolden. I believe this groups growth and development may have suffered more than any other position group with the coaching/system change. All three showed great potential in 2014, then regressed in the new system. |
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Post by oosik on Jan 8, 2017 16:34:43 GMT -8
My pleasure over gettng 2 solid commitments isn't so much about whether or not these 2 receivers are the next Brandon Cooks or Markus Whearon. It's about getting a coveted player to choose Oregon State over other name schools that want them!
I review the recruiting lists 2-3 years after.
It is surprising the number of recruits that don't qualify or pan out. also the number of underrated or late developers who become NFL talent.
Still there is no need to rain on other's parade during this slow time of year!
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2017 20:14:17 GMT -8
My pleasure over gettng 2 solid commitments isn't so much about whether or not these 2 receivers are the next Brandon Cooks or Markus Whearon. It's about getting a coveted player to choose Oregon State over other name schools that want them! I review the recruiting lists 2-3 years after. It is surprising the number of recruits that don't qualify or pan out. also the number of underrated or late developers who become NFL talent. Still there is no need to rain on other's parade during this slow time of year! First, did you actually "view the rain"? Second... If voicing another view is all it takes to be "raining" then some people need a little tougher skin. Really? I'd hope the adults on here are a little more in control of their own emotions than to hand over the keys to a note on a message board! WOWZA |
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