|
|
Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 8:41:15 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball... Well, they don't have football. Are you concerned about soccer or something? I didn't know whether they had football. Never heard their name mentioned in football. Wanted to make sure they weren't going to start football just for this. I've always known them as a baseball school. |
|
|
|
Post by ochobeavo on Oct 1, 2024 8:42:16 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball... sports of note that GCU offers: Mens - Basketball, Baseball, Golf, Soccer, T&F Womens - Basketball, Softball, Golf, Soccer, Volleyball, T&F, Cross Country |
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2024 8:44:00 GMT -8
I wish we could start this league next year and skip the lame-duck season.
|
|
|
|
Post by grayman on Oct 1, 2024 8:46:43 GMT -8
Huge get for the Pac-12!
|
|
|
|
Post by vhalum92 on Oct 1, 2024 8:49:29 GMT -8
What about UTSA... any rumors of them being interested or us?
If we are adding Memphis or Tulane... I think you have to start grabbing some other schools toward the East.
Yes, not a big deal for us to travel but Memphis would be traveling a longer ways for all conference road games. It should be more appealing to them to have some closer conference neighbors.
I want to get to 8... but even better to get to 10 football teams... that should also get us closer on baseball and going to Texas for baseball is GOOD.
|
|
|
|
Post by NativeBeav on Oct 1, 2024 8:55:18 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball... You have to add for all sports. Soccer, volleyball, T&F, softball need opponents too. I still believe we are circling back to Memphis. Consolidate the money we offered the three AAC schools (supposedly $7.5m total), make Memphis and offer and give them a day to decide. Memphis has a name recognition, a decent TV market, and competitive programs. It's one road trip every other year for football, baseball and softball, and one road trip a year for basketball, volleyball and soccer. Not a huge increase in expenses. Did a little snooping, they are just completing a 220 million dollar renovation on their stadium, and it has a capacity of 58k. Nothing to sneeze at. My only disappointment (beggars cannot be choosers), is I would have liked to add the 8th football member further west. If we down the road were to add up to six Midwest/ Eastern teams and have pods - I get it. But, Tennessee is a long way from being a western or pacific zone state. |
|
|
|
Post by ochobeavo on Oct 1, 2024 9:01:45 GMT -8
You have to add for all sports. Soccer, volleyball, T&F, softball need opponents too. I still believe we are circling back to Memphis. Consolidate the money we offered the three AAC schools (supposedly $7.5m total), make Memphis and offer and give them a day to decide. Memphis has a name recognition, a decent TV market, and competitive programs. It's one road trip every other year for football, baseball and softball, and one road trip a year for basketball, volleyball and soccer. Not a huge increase in expenses. Did a little snooping, they are just completing a 220 million dollar renovation on their stadium, and it has a capacity of 58k. Nothing to sneeze at. My only disappointment (beggars cannot be choosers), is I would have liked to add the 8th football member further west. If we down the road were to add up to six Midwest/ Eastern teams and have pods - I get it. But, Tennessee is a long way from being a western or pacific zone state. And I believe they have a commitment from FedEx for $5M/year towards NIL over the next 5 years. |
|
2ndGenBeaver
Sophomore
Posts: 1,837 
Grad Year: 1991 (MS/CS) 1999 (PhD/CS)
|
Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 9:01:51 GMT -8
I think we are going to break down and pay Memphis and Tulane too much money... I don't like it but I think that is where it is headed. Those two are as good as gone in 2030 IF the ACC does collapse. but other than that, there are teams out there to explore still we haven't looked north too much, We haven't gone after the MAC at all. no Bowling Green? No directional Michigans? I don't know the details or the buyouts, but there has been zero talk about any teams up there. maybe for good reason... maybe the buyouts are untenable. but the schools themselves are fine. We also haven't really poked at the MWC teams that are getting screwed in the redistribution if we are really desperate. SJSU is getting the short end of the stick. Maybe we cut our losses and at least have the bay area? I'd kinda laugh at least. I still really dont want Memphis or Tulane... I just dont understand the appeal. TV markets arent that big, their programs aren't that strong and why add teams so far away? The real mistake in all this, IMHO, was not scooping up Texas State... They should have been the eighth team. Maybe grab North Texas as well. Oh well. I would LOVE to take one more MWC team just to needle Nervarez. San Jose would be good, Wyoming would also be a fine choice.... But if we really want to stick it in.... go for Nevada... UNLV backers would LOSE THEIR MINDS  I agree - grabbing Texas State would have been a cheap get and good MWC counterpunch, that while based on speculation, would have got us to 8, started media negotiations, gotten us into Texas, and with a school that has the likelihood of an upward trajectory: they have 40K students and a high research profile, so good academic fit, in a fertile recruiting/viewership area etc. etc. Then you can add Sac St. (on even more speculation) and call it good. OK, maybe grab GCU and St. Mary's to help enhance the non-football sports credentials. There must be a planned 8th (and maybe 9th) football school out there - I just would rather keep the conference regional...... Go Beavers! |
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2024 9:24:42 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. The question is then, who are you going get for the 8th football school? If you can't convince one or more of the AAC teams to come back, the pickings are slim. You're looking at someone like New Mexico St.......yikes. True, but they would work in the pinch. Somebody has to finish last. And they'd get us to six teams in baseball, and their program is actually pretty good. They also have the other Olympic sports we need. Been to NMSU twice. Campus is pretty, great bookstore, Cruces is as close to the El Paso airport as we are to Eugene. Again, not the top option, but they would work for a 6-year band aide. |
|
|
|
Post by johnnychimpo on Oct 1, 2024 9:36:00 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. Utah St athletic budget is 45 million. Not ahelluvalot of difference. Texas State will have a budget of $45 million in 2025. $55 million around 2027 is very doable. Add in a better media deal for TXST and they can get to $60 million shortly after they join. |
|
|
|
Post by Mike84 on Oct 1, 2024 10:05:19 GMT -8
You have to add for all sports. Soccer, volleyball, T&F, softball need opponents too. I still believe we are circling back to Memphis. Consolidate the money we offered the three AAC schools (supposedly $7.5m total), make Memphis and offer and give them a day to decide. Memphis has a name recognition, a decent TV market, and competitive programs. It's one road trip every other year for football, baseball and softball, and one road trip a year for basketball, volleyball and soccer. Not a huge increase in expenses. Did a little snooping, they are just completing a 220 million dollar renovation on their stadium, and it has a capacity of 58k. Nothing to sneeze at. My only disappointment (beggars cannot be choosers), is I would have liked to add the 8th football member further west. If we down the road were to add up to six Midwest/ Eastern teams and have pods - I get it. But, Tennessee is a long way from being a western or pacific zone state. Some of your phrasing ("My only disappointment is..." and "I would have liked to add the 8th...") make it sound like there's already been some deal to add an 8th football school? That hasn't happened yet, right? And we're unsure who is even still fully on the table (hasn't re-committed to their current conference)? |
|
|
|
Post by Mike84 on Oct 1, 2024 10:14:52 GMT -8
This get of Gonzaga seems like gigantically great news! No telling when Mark Few will retire, which could put a damper on things, but this is a big shot in the arm for the re-built Pac-12's image, even if it doesn't help football.
I've never been one to think I know better than the coaches or admins or presidents, given that it is their JOB, and they have, oh, infinitely more data than I do, so it probably comes as no surprise that I'm not stressing TOO much about who we're going to add for football. I know it won't be a big name, as there are none left, but I also know that much thought and effort will go into getting the best we can, from a media and compatibility standpoint. It will be easy to cast stones if it's a "lesser" school, but IMO this rebuild will be a success when we add an 8th football school, no matter who it is. We're not going to convince the rest of the country that it is a noteworthy football conference until/unless our members do something noteworthy (like win a Heisman or win a playoff game), and this will be true no matter who we add for our 8th (or 9th or 10th). The most important things are a) get to 8, so we have a conference, b) attract a good media deal(s), c) stay relevant.
|
|
|
|
Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 10:31:56 GMT -8
Something to think about why the Pac-12 is doing it right going so strong in basketball.
Last year, the "Pac-12" earned $20 million in NCAA tourney credits. Of course SDSU went on that crazy run... but a strong basketball conference can have big payouts in the tourney. it is about $2M a game in credits. GCU also made the NCAA last year (losing to Gonzaga in the first round...) so in theory if they are in, it could be $22M.
If we stay strong in basketball... this really is an underappreciated source of revenue for us. It really is no wonder Yormak and the Big-12 were angling hard for Uconn and Gonzaga to join and bball members to the big-12.
If the Zags "average" a sweet 16 they earn $6M at the tourney. that alone earns them more than any MWC football program Media.
Edit to be clear: the future pac-12 earned the $20 million. the teams that will be in the pac-12. not us actually right now.
|
|
|
|
Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 10:34:54 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. |
|
|
|
Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 10:55:54 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. We aren't allowed to talk to Texas St? |
|
