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Post by jimbeav on Oct 1, 2024 7:54:18 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no.
This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there.
In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 7:56:12 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. The question is then, who are you going get for the 8th football school? If you can't convince one or more of the AAC teams to come back, the pickings are slim. You're looking at someone like New Mexico St.......yikes. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 1, 2024 7:56:55 GMT -8
Great news, basketball may become a significant conference income generator. 6 of 8 teams made NCAA tourney in 2024, 2 of which played for NC the past 4 years. If Grand Canyon joins that is 7 of 9. Uconn, come on down! Also might help incentivize Memphis/Tulane/UTSA. Grand Canyon has been to the dance 3 of the last 4. St. Marys has been to the dance the last 3 years... no idea if we are actually talking about them as an add. But have seen them on some wishlists. Makings of a pretty tough hoops conference. SDSU/Gonzaga/Utah State are going to make a great top half. Utah State currently has verbals from 3 4-star recruits. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 8:00:49 GMT -8
Massive grab. We have a huge Basketball conference right now. That really is the underappreciated part of our media rights. it is worth something and a think this idiot talking heads aren't considering when they saying the new Pac-12 is worth whatever the MWC or whatever that cringy as f%#* take was the other day. Gonzaga is huge. Also, we get them in baseball too it appears. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 1, 2024 8:02:32 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. Utah St athletic budget is 45 million. Not ahelluvalot of difference. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 1, 2024 8:05:32 GMT -8
It is for all sports that Gonzaga currently sponsors. They aren't adding football even though they've been undefeated for over 100 years. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 8:09:17 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. The question is then, who are you going get for the 8th football school? If you can't convince one or more of the AAC teams to come back, the pickings are slim. You're looking at someone like New Mexico St.......yikes. I think we are going to break down and pay Memphis and Tulane too much money... I don't like it but I think that is where it is headed. Those two are as good as gone in 2030 IF the ACC does collapse. but other than that, there are teams out there to explore still we haven't looked north too much, We haven't gone after the MAC at all. no Bowling Green? No directional Michigans? I don't know the details or the buyouts, but there has been zero talk about any teams up there. maybe for good reason... maybe the buyouts are untenable. but the schools themselves are fine. We also haven't really poked at the MWC teams that are getting screwed in the redistribution if we are really desperate. SJSU is getting the short end of the stick. Maybe we cut our losses and at least have the bay area? I'd kinda laugh at least. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 8:10:06 GMT -8
It is for all sports that Gonzaga currently sponsors. They aren't adding football even though they've been undefeated for over 100 years. Not quite 100 years. They dropped football in 1941. And, there last coach Puggy Hunton only went 14-13. One of their football all-americans was John Stockton's grandfather. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 8:12:58 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. Utah St athletic budget is 45 million. Not ahelluvalot of difference. Boise State is like $50M... Also honestly not that far behind. My issue with Sac State is really show me the following first. Yes you are raising money, but honestly you can do that with one or two overly eager nutbags with more money than sense. You are in a big metro area. but are people going to show up? does anybody care about Sac State? is anybody going to turn on the TV? That is the issue. It is awesome there is commitment and they are building, but this whole stupid game is all about media. that is how we got f%#*ed. We weren't special enough either for the big boys and we have to play that game now too. Our 400K-500K view games, even though it is more than a lot of others, even Big 12 and other P4 teams apparently isn't good enough. It is great you have the money and are going to build it, will they come? that is the question. |
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Post by obf on Oct 1, 2024 8:20:12 GMT -8
The question is then, who are you going get for the 8th football school? If you can't convince one or more of the AAC teams to come back, the pickings are slim. You're looking at someone like New Mexico St.......yikes. I think we are going to break down and pay Memphis and Tulane too much money... I don't like it but I think that is where it is headed. Those two are as good as gone in 2030 IF the ACC does collapse. but other than that, there are teams out there to explore still we haven't looked north too much, We haven't gone after the MAC at all. no Bowling Green? No directional Michigans? I don't know the details or the buyouts, but there has been zero talk about any teams up there. maybe for good reason... maybe the buyouts are untenable. but the schools themselves are fine. We also haven't really poked at the MWC teams that are getting screwed in the redistribution if we are really desperate. SJSU is getting the short end of the stick. Maybe we cut our losses and at least have the bay area? I'd kinda laugh at least. I still really dont want Memphis or Tulane... I just dont understand the appeal. TV markets arent that big, their programs aren't that strong and why add teams so far away? The real mistake in all this, IMHO, was not scooping up Texas State... They should have been the eighth team. Maybe grab North Texas as well. Oh well. I would LOVE to take one more MWC team just to needle Nervarez. San Jose would be good, Wyoming would also be a fine choice.... But if we really want to stick it in.... go for Nevada... UNLV backers would LOSE THEIR MINDS  |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Oct 1, 2024 8:20:18 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 8:27:33 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball...
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 8:31:02 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball... Well, they don't have football. Are you concerned about soccer or something? |
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Post by beavaristotle on Oct 1, 2024 8:37:32 GMT -8
If true does that meet the requirement for 8? Or do we still need 1 more for football to be 'legit'? We still need 1 more football school. [br} GCU president stated unequivocally that they will not add football ever, he believes stadium cost and title 9 ramifications would put them in debt for 20-25 years. I think they are a great add if we can get them. Sac St looking better and better |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2024 8:39:30 GMT -8
Please tell me GCU is just basketball/baseball... You have to add for all sports. Soccer, volleyball, T&F, softball need opponents too. I still believe we are circling back to Memphis. Consolidate the money we offered the three AAC schools (supposedly $7.5m total), make Memphis and offer and give them a day to decide. Memphis has a name recognition, a decent TV market, and competitive programs. It's one road trip every other year for football, baseball and softball, and one road trip a year for basketball, volleyball and soccer. Not a huge increase in expenses. |
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