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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 24, 2024 10:03:03 GMT -8
I think believe multiple posters intimated that "poaching" fee was not going to stand. Exit fees are part of a contract, but restricting fair business practices can not be part of a contract nor can it be part of a contract that no longer exists. Part of the Pac12 refusing the new agreement was to rebuild and in no way has the Pac12 stated it was ever paying "poaching fees". It was all in the media and in the reading of the old agreement. Also, mentioned above somewhere, or in another thread, MWC teams ALL have dissolution votes until they are no longer members. Which isn't until 2026. However, it would take (9) members. But, IF UNLV comes aboard there are only (6) football members left in the MWC and suddenly they are not a viable conference. IF Air Force defects, they are down to (5) and other schools begin to look elsewhere and will they want exit fees to impair their leaving. I do not think a dissolution of the MWC will happen very soon, if at all, as they will try to add somebody to get to (8). But, if the "poaching fees" disappear there is far less $$ to appease the other schools, and far less appeal in a new media deal. There's already some speculation that Hawaii is checking in with C-USA. Seems like an awful idea, but self-preservation is top of the list. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 24, 2024 10:09:01 GMT -8
I think believe multiple posters intimated that "poaching" fee was not going to stand. Exit fees are part of a contract, but restricting fair business practices can not be part of a contract nor can it be part of a contract that no longer exists. Part of the Pac12 refusing the new agreement was to rebuild and in no way has the Pac12 stated it was ever paying "poaching fees". It was all in the media and in the reading of the old agreement. Also, mentioned above somewhere, or in another thread, MWC teams ALL have dissolution votes until they are no longer members. Which isn't until 2026. However, it would take (9) members. But, IF UNLV comes aboard there are only (6) football members left in the MWC and suddenly they are not a viable conference. IF Air Force defects, they are down to (5) and other schools begin to look elsewhere and will they want exit fees to impair their leaving. I do not think a dissolution of the MWC will happen very soon, if at all, as they will try to add somebody to get to (8). But, if the "poaching fees" disappear there is far less $$ to appease the other schools, and far less appeal in a new media deal. Eh - I have seen some more research on the whom can vote question. It appears MWC appended this in late 2023, probably as a result of our fiasco in exiting members. From what I have read, for someone to officially lose their voting rights in the MWC, they must both submit notice of resignation AND pay some sort of "deposit of resignation", so some fee essentially. If that holds up, it means that technically all of the teams who have announced they are leaving are still voting members. That would change things. If they have already paid, then according to the bylaws, they'd lose voting rights. I think. I need a lawyer! |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 24, 2024 10:16:54 GMT -8
I think believe multiple posters intimated that "poaching" fee was not going to stand. Exit fees are part of a contract, but restricting fair business practices can not be part of a contract nor can it be part of a contract that no longer exists. Part of the Pac12 refusing the new agreement was to rebuild and in no way has the Pac12 stated it was ever paying "poaching fees". It was all in the media and in the reading of the old agreement. Also, mentioned above somewhere, or in another thread, MWC teams ALL have dissolution votes until they are no longer members. Which isn't until 2026. However, it would take (9) members. But, IF UNLV comes aboard there are only (6) football members left in the MWC and suddenly they are not a viable conference. IF Air Force defects, they are down to (5) and other schools begin to look elsewhere and will they want exit fees to impair their leaving. I do not think a dissolution of the MWC will happen very soon, if at all, as they will try to add somebody to get to (8). But, if the "poaching fees" disappear there is far less $$ to appease the other schools, and far less appeal in a new media deal. Eh - I have seen some more research on the whom can vote question. It appears MWC appended this in late 2023, probably as a result of our fiasco in exiting members. From what I have read, for someone to officially lose their voting rights in the MWC, they must both submit notice of resignation AND pay some sort of "deposit of resignation", so some fee essentially. If that holds up, it means that technically all of the teams who have announced they are leaving are still voting members. That would change things. If they have already paid, then according to the bylaws, they'd lose voting rights. I think. I need a lawyer! I doubt they can change voting rights of current members whether they have signed an intent to leave or not. They have rights to help decide conference issues until they leave. They do not have rights beyond that timeline. Just as SC/UCLA were allowed votes on current Pac12 issues, but not future issues that affected 2024 and beyond. That then extend to the other (8). I believe any termination of conference voting rights would be another legal fight the MWC would lose. And, in that case they would have only (7) voting members (I do not think Hawaii has full conference voting privileges??) meaning on (5) votes needed for dissolution vs (9). A LOT of wait and see to happen. But, I'm super happy with no East Coast teams. So far!? |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 10:23:46 GMT -8
[quote [/quote]Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. [/quote]
That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing??
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 24, 2024 10:32:56 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. [/quote] That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing??[/quote] Surviving? The Pac 2 has no other options and praying doesn't get you a P4 invite. Your other option was to simply merge with the MWC. While it may appear this is what has happened, we have so far simply taken the 5 best attainable football programs the MWC has to offer and omitted the fat (UNLVs recent success notwithstanding). But UNLV is next so there ya go. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 24, 2024 10:35:24 GMT -8
beavheat since you can't quote correctly, one can't quote your last post correctly... but,
WTF does "controlled by the Mormon church" have anything to do with this topic? Get a grip and count on the fact the the powers at play here know a bit more about this than you and your obviously religious bias.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2024 10:42:52 GMT -8
I'm watching a podcast knocking Memphis for not jumping to the PAC.
Interestinc logic. He's looking at the Massey ratings. Currently Memphis is the only AAC member in the top 60 is Memphis. Among the PAC 12 committed members, it's 5, and if UNLV joins it'd be 6. With basketball, if you go to top 80 in the Massey, the numbers are basically the same.
Memphis is basically choosing to stay in a much weaker league. Also ripping on them for not jumping before a TV deal is done- basically wondering why any network, or conference, would set a deal without knowing which teams are going to be in the conference. Suggesting they take a leap of faith, because the Pac is a stronger conference and will easily get a more substantial payout than the AAC.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 24, 2024 10:45:44 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. [/quote] That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing??[/quote] We haven't spent anything yet. They've gone to bowl games 6 of the last 7 years, gone to the dance the last 2 years and 4 of the last 6. (This is going to be a sneaky good basketball conf) USU leaving last night is the key to MWC potentially folding and saving us millions. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 24, 2024 11:16:55 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. [/quote] That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing??[/quote] What are we spending 10's of millions for? USU boosters are paying their entire exit fee. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 11:17:58 GMT -8
beavheat since you can't quote correctly, one can't quote your last post correctly... but, WTF does "controlled by the Mormon church" have anything to do with this topic? Get a grip and count on the fact the the powers at play here know a bit more about this than you and your pobviously religious bias. Have you been to Utah? Everything is built around the church. Just not a fan of that dynamic. It wouldn't matter what religion it was. Also, not a fan of the politics, and overall vibe there as a result. Also, I can quote just fine. Just trying to keep the thread simple. Frankly, threads with the same posts quoted over and over again are boring and tiring to try to navigate . Probably the worst feature of this board, IMO. Funny how you seem to always be the one on here trying to police others. There's always someone who knows more than you bub. I've been around long enough to have an opinion, and I'm going to share it whenever I feel like it or have time to. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 11:21:49 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing??[/quote] We haven't spent anything yet. They've gone to bowl games 6 of the last 7 years, gone to the dance the last 2 years and 4 of the last 6. (This is going to be a sneaky good basketball conf) USU leaving last night is the key to MWC potentially folding and saving us millions.[/quote] That is the only part that makes sense to me, if this leads to nullifying the exit fees I can get on board. Otherwise, we have spent a bunch of money to essentially join the Mountain West, and simultaneously fulfill the hopes of all of our detractors. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 24, 2024 11:28:02 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing?? We haven't spent anything yet. They've gone to bowl games 6 of the last 7 years, gone to the dance the last 2 years and 4 of the last 6. (This is going to be a sneaky good basketball conf) USU leaving last night is the key to MWC potentially folding and saving us millions.[/quote] That is the only part that makes sense to me, if this leads to nullifying the exit fees I can get on board. Otherwise, we have spent a bunch of money to essentially join the Mountain West, and simultaneously fulfill the hopes of all of our detractors. [/quote] Yet you're 1 for 3 in knowing how to quote in this thread and then attempt the lame arse excuse it makes the thread shorter?! LOL FYI... lots of folks correct others on there bub!  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 24, 2024 11:38:40 GMT -8
Utah State beat us in a bowl game. That's all I know. That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing?? We haven't spent anything yet. They've gone to bowl games 6 of the last 7 years, gone to the dance the last 2 years and 4 of the last 6. (This is going to be a sneaky good basketball conf) USU leaving last night is the key to MWC potentially folding and saving us millions.[/quote] That is the only part that makes sense to me, if this leads to nullifying the exit fees I can get on board. Otherwise, we have spent a bunch of money to essentially join the Mountain West, and simultaneously fulfill the hopes of all of our detractors. [/quote] Majority of Utahans do not identify as LDS www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/12/28/turns-out-latter-day-saints-are/ |
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Post by sparty on Sept 24, 2024 11:51:06 GMT -8
Really can't stand the BS narrative about us being the "bottom of the previous Pac12". Yeah, that would have been the Arizona schools, or the Bay Area schools depending on what sport, and when we're talking about there Ross. Bottom line, OSU and WSU got left behind because of geography and market size, but were suddenly "the bottom of the conference". All of the hype and BS is killing me. I hate that a bunch of fan boy nonsense is now just stated as fact, as media moguls enable this crap while they simultaneously drive the bus off a cliff. Not a fan of raiding the MWC for a bunch of reasons, and it merely fuels the collective hit job being done on us by the media that seems hell bent on making sure that we are relegated to "other" status. I was reluctantly OK with the first 4 MWC additions. Adding Utah State feels like surrender. And I have seen enough spin about Utah State today. Outside of this board the Utah State addition really falls flat on its face. The others made sense. Interesting you you used the word "reluctantly" |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 11:52:03 GMT -8
That, and they play 3rd fiddle in a state that is smaller than Oregon, that is controlled by the Mormon church. Yeah, let's spend 10s of millions to sign up for that? No effin thank you! What the hell are we doing?? We haven't spent anything yet. They've gone to bowl games 6 of the last 7 years, gone to the dance the last 2 years and 4 of the last 6. (This is going to be a sneaky good basketball conf) USU leaving last night is the key to MWC potentially folding and saving us millions. That is the only part that makes sense to me, if this leads to nullifying the exit fees I can get on board. Otherwise, we have spent a bunch of money to essentially join the Mountain West, and simultaneously fulfill the hopes of all of our detractors. [/quote] Yet you're 1 for 3 in knowing how to quote in this thread and then attempt the lame arse excuse it makes the thread shorter?! LOL FYI... lots of folks correct others on there bub! [/quote] It's not quoting correctly because I tried to delete my original quoted post. I've been able to do that from my laptop before without an issue. I tried to do the same from my phone, but now I know that it doesn't work from my phone. Not sure why you have such a hang up about it. Seems like a trivial thing to me. Also, what are you correcting anyone about? The fact that I screwed up the quote feature? Who exactly is the lame arse here? |
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