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Post by seastape on Sept 24, 2024 11:52:51 GMT -8
UNLV to Pac 12. UTEP and NMSU to MWC.
Pac 12 and MWC sign relegation agreement with Pac 12 as the top conference and MWC as lower tier.
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Post by sparty on Sept 24, 2024 11:55:56 GMT -8
UNLV to Pac 12. UTEP and NMSU to MWC. Pac 12 and MWC sign relegation agreement with Pac 12 as the top conference and MWC as lower tier. Better off as the lower tier of the Big12 |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 11:56:12 GMT -8
Really can't stand the BS narrative about us being the "bottom of the previous Pac12". Yeah, that would have been the Arizona schools, or the Bay Area schools depending on what sport, and when we're talking about there Ross. Bottom line, OSU and WSU got left behind because of geography and market size, but were suddenly "the bottom of the conference". All of the hype and BS is killing me. I hate that a bunch of fan boy nonsense is now just stated as fact, as media moguls enable this crap while they simultaneously drive the bus off a cliff. Not a fan of raiding the MWC for a bunch of reasons, and it merely fuels the collective hit job being done on us by the media that seems hell bent on making sure that we are relegated to "other" status. I was reluctantly OK with the first 4 MWC additions. Adding Utah State feels like surrender. And I have seen enough spin about Utah State today. Outside of this board the Utah State addition really falls flat on its face. The others made sense. Interesting you you used the word "reluctantly" I said that, because while adding the top 4 MW schools was our best option, it definitely was not what we were all hoping for. Now as we double down in that direction this all starts to reek of desperation. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 24, 2024 11:57:39 GMT -8
I'm watching a podcast knocking Memphis for not jumping to the PAC. Interestinc logic. He's looking at the Massey ratings. Currently Memphis is the only AAC member in the top 60 is Memphis. Among the PAC 12 committed members, it's 5, and if UNLV joins it'd be 6. With basketball, if you go to top 80 in the Massey, the numbers are basically the same. Memphis is basically choosing to stay in a much weaker league. Also ripping on them for not jumping before a TV deal is done- basically wondering why any network, or conference, would set a deal without knowing which teams are going to be in the conference. Suggesting they take a leap of faith, because the Pac is a stronger conference and will easily get a more substantial payout than the AAC. Not that Twitter is exactly a perfect cross-section of reactions but I’d agree, most Memphis fans seemed disappointed as they believe the AD is waiting on an unlikely ACC invite to come in the future. Kind of like folks still waiting on our B12 invite. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2024 12:08:37 GMT -8
UNLV to Pac 12. UTEP and NMSU to MWC. Pac 12 and MWC sign relegation agreement with Pac 12 as the top conference and MWC as lower tier. The MWC may be willing to quickly revisit the relegation idea if it looks to be all falling apart. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 12:19:42 GMT -8
I'm watching a podcast knocking Memphis for not jumping to the PAC. Interestinc logic. He's looking at the Massey ratings. Currently Memphis is the only AAC member in the top 60 is Memphis. Among the PAC 12 committed members, it's 5, and if UNLV joins it'd be 6. With basketball, if you go to top 80 in the Massey, the numbers are basically the same. Memphis is basically choosing to stay in a much weaker league. Also ripping on them for not jumping before a TV deal is done- basically wondering why any network, or conference, would set a deal without knowing which teams are going to be in the conference. Suggesting they take a leap of faith, because the Pac is a stronger conference and will easily get a more substantial payout than the AAC. Not that Twitter is exactly a perfect cross-section of reactions but I’d agree, most Memphis fans seemed disappointed as they believe the AD is waiting on an unlikely ACC invite to come in the future. Kind of like folks still waiting on our B12 invite. Take it with a grain of salt, but, two weeks ago, it looked like the ACC was probably going to stick together. However, in the past 4-5 days, I have been hearing rumblings that there are a lot more issues to work through and Clemson and Florida State may be more inclined to push forward rather than settle. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 24, 2024 12:25:27 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 12:35:34 GMT -8
Really can't stand the BS narrative about us being the "bottom of the previous Pac12". Yeah, that would have been the Arizona schools, or the Bay Area schools depending on what sport, and when we're talking about there Ross. Bottom line, OSU and WSU got left behind because of geography and market size, but were suddenly "the bottom of the conference". All of the hype and BS is killing me. I hate that a bunch of fan boy nonsense is now just stated as fact, as media moguls enable this crap while they simultaneously drive the bus off a cliff. Not a fan of raiding the MWC for a bunch of reasons, and it merely fuels the collective hit job being done on us by the media that seems hell bent on making sure that we are relegated to "other" status. I was reluctantly OK with the first 4 MWC additions. Adding Utah State feels like surrender.What was your alternative? Join the Big 12? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 12:35:36 GMT -8
I personally would have broken up Paragraph 10 into at least four different paragraphs, maybe five. I would like to see responses to each individual allegation, rather than seeing one big "Deny" from the Mountain West in response to Paragraph 10. I like: Analogize the agreement to a non-compete, which is generally unenforceable in California. It is punitive. It is also duplicative, because the Mountain West already has the Grant of Rights Agreement with its members. Those are good arguments. I am not sure, if it'll fly in California, but it would be similar to what I would argue. Not as good but comparable. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 12:37:34 GMT -8
UNLV to Pac 12. UTEP and NMSU to MWC. Pac 12 and MWC sign relegation agreement with Pac 12 as the top conference and MWC as lower tier. Better off as the lower tier of the Big12 Yeah, because the Big 12 was absolutely poised to offer us and Wazzu full membership, so they could beat out the impending offers from the Big Ten and the SEC. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2024 12:38:03 GMT -8
I wonder how much weight will be given to the fact we signed off on it?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 12:38:42 GMT -8
And I have seen enough spin about Utah State today. Outside of this board the Utah State addition really falls flat on its face. The others made sense. Interesting you you used the word "reluctantly" I said that, because while adding the top 4 MW schools was our best option, it definitely was not what we were all hoping for. Now as we double down in that direction this all starts to reek of desperation. Where have you been? It has been desperate for more than a year. You are faulting us for fashioning a life raft out of debris rather than waiting for a stray yacht to pass us by and save us? Sometimes, you have to get real and make do with what you have. We will reevaluate in five years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 12:39:35 GMT -8
I wonder how much weight will be given to the fact we signed off on it? If it's considered unenforceable in contract law, it doesn't matter that we signed it. We are also arguing that we signed it under duress and acknowledged that that section was unenforceable. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 12:41:22 GMT -8
I wonder how much weight will be given to the fact we signed off on it? A lot? And we received the benefit of the bargain. $10 million per team is still too high. The right number is about $14 million total, because that is what the agreement was probably worth to Oregon State and Wazzu, and that is what we paid to the Mountain West. This may get to be, who drafted it. Who edited it. Whether Oregon State and Wazzu signed it or whether it was signed by the Pac-12. Whether there was a proposal to amend or eliminate the $10 million penalty or not. Stuff like that could all come into play. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 24, 2024 12:43:34 GMT -8
beavheat since you can't quote correctly, one can't quote your last post correctly... but, WTF does "controlled by the Mormon church" have anything to do with this topic? Get a grip and count on the fact the the powers at play here know a bit more about this than you and your pobviously religious bias. Have you been to Utah? Everything is built around the church. Just not a fan of that dynamic. It wouldn't matter what religion it was. Also, not a fan of the politics, and overall vibe there as a result. Also, I can quote just fine. Just trying to keep the thread simple. Frankly, threads with the same posts quoted over and over again are boring and tiring to try to navigate . Probably the worst feature of this board, IMO. Funny how you seem to always be the one on here trying to police others. There's always someone who knows more than you bub. I've been around long enough to have an opinion, and I'm going to share it whenever I feel like it or have time to. Not Park City!!! |
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