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Post by 415hawaiiboy on Sept 24, 2024 0:10:47 GMT -8
Could someone who perhaps understands the legalese of the situation help me understand why we wouldn't just merge? Why destroy another conference? Could we not find a better use of the war chest than these exit fees and buyouts? Is it as simple as if we leave the Pac-12 we lose the funds because they belong to the legal entity that is the Pac-12 conference? Is it as simple as if the MWC votes to dissolve and they all join the Pac-12 they'd get equal shares? That could be done, while preserving the PAC-12 Unequal revenue can be done based on performance incentives (earn it) Merger should have been Plan B after getting rejected from the schools to the east Merger still possible, but remaining schools also looking at $150MM in fees (whatever the amount is after Utah State) |
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 24, 2024 0:25:17 GMT -8
Could someone who perhaps understands the legalese of the situation help me understand why we wouldn't just merge? Why destroy another conference? Could we not find a better use of the war chest than these exit fees and buyouts? Is it as simple as if we leave the Pac-12 we lose the funds because they belong to the legal entity that is the Pac-12 conference? Is it as simple as if the MWC votes to dissolve and they all join the Pac-12 they'd get equal shares? The Pac12 was one of the original Power-5 conferences that created the CFP system and being such, is guaranteed an automatic berth in the post-season tournament. If the Pac-12 dissolved and merged into the MWC , this automatic berth would be forfeited and we must return a certain amount of the money we were awarded from the departing Pac-12 teams. Thus, rebuilding the PAC-12 , short of getting invited into the Big-12, was really our only option to try to survive. That's just not true or one of us or WSU would be in the playoff this year. |
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Post by joecool on Sept 24, 2024 4:12:17 GMT -8
The Pac12 was one of the original Power-5 conferences that created the CFP system and being such, is guaranteed an automatic berth in the post-season tournament. If the Pac-12 dissolved and merged into the MWC , this automatic berth would be forfeited and we must return a certain amount of the money we were awarded from the departing Pac-12 teams. Thus, rebuilding the PAC-12 , short of getting invited into the Big-12, was really our only option to try to survive. That's just not true or one of us or WSU would be in the playoff this year. Exactly, and no conference has an automatic berth, its the top 5 ranked conference champions that get automatic berths. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 24, 2024 4:23:49 GMT -8
Utah State……really? This is a joke right?
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 24, 2024 5:17:33 GMT -8
Utah State……really? This is a joke right? it is true. It’s like waking up Sunday morning to discover what you brought home from the Peacock Saturday lying next to you and you are puzzled how your beer goggles got that bad. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 24, 2024 5:48:14 GMT -8
Utah State……really? This is a joke right? it is true. It’s like waking up Sunday morning to discover what you brought home from the Peacock Saturday lying next to you and you are puzzled how your beer goggles got that bad. That is what I was thinking as a good analogy. That will put a lot of eye balls on the tv screen. Sounds lie someone panicked after the ACC portion fell through, |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 24, 2024 5:52:21 GMT -8
Seems like it would make Utah ever rejoining an issue. Probably not a short term concern.
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Post by sparty on Sept 24, 2024 5:58:14 GMT -8
Seems like it would make Utah ever rejoining an issue. Probably not a short term concern. Everyone keeps saying Utah, Stanford and Cal are going to rejoin. Don't think that is likely. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 24, 2024 6:15:45 GMT -8
Seems like it would make Utah ever rejoining an issue. Probably not a short term concern. Everyone keeps saying Utah, Stanford and Cal are going to rejoin. Don't think that is likely. Stanford definitely not. If you look on a longer timeline and buy into the idea that the SEC and B1G will keep consolidating then it seems likely there will be leftovers from the ACC and BIG12 looking for homes. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 6:38:56 GMT -8
Could someone who perhaps understands the legalese of the situation help me understand why we wouldn't just merge? Why destroy another conference? Could we not find a better use of the war chest than these exit fees and buyouts? Is it as simple as if we leave the Pac-12 we lose the funds because they belong to the legal entity that is the Pac-12 conference? Is it as simple as if the MWC votes to dissolve and they all join the Pac-12 they'd get equal shares? Because they did not want a 13-team conference, 14 for football with Hawaii. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 6:43:46 GMT -8
Seems like it would make Utah ever rejoining an issue. Probably not a short term concern. Everyone keeps saying Utah, Stanford and Cal are going to rejoin. Don't think that is likely. No one is coming back in the foreseeable future. So OSU/WSU had to act now. Utah State played in the NCAA MBB tournament in 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2024. It played in bowl games in 2011-15, 2017-19, and 2021-23. It kicked our ass in the 2021 LA Bowl. So anyone who acts like we have invited the Little Sisters of the Poor hasn't been paying very close attention to college sports. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 24, 2024 7:10:23 GMT -8
Seems like it would make Utah ever rejoining an issue. Probably not a short term concern. Everyone keeps saying Utah, Stanford and Cal are going to rejoin. Don't think that is likely. Everyone? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 24, 2024 7:35:58 GMT -8
Everyone keeps saying Utah, Stanford and Cal are going to rejoin. Don't think that is likely. No one is coming back in the foreseeable future. So OSU/WSU had to act now. Utah State played in the NCAA MBB tournament in 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2024. It played in bowl games in 2011-15, 2017-19, and 2021-23. It kicked our ass in the 2021 LA Bowl. So anyone who acts like we have invited the Little Sisters of the Poor hasn't been paying very close attention to college sports. And add to that, GAG was at USU as a coach less time (second stint) than he was at OSU - what does that say about us? |
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Post by damnstraight on Sept 24, 2024 7:38:32 GMT -8
The Pac12 was one of the original Power-5 conferences that created the CFP system and being such, is guaranteed an automatic berth in the post-season tournament. If the Pac-12 dissolved and merged into the MWC , this automatic berth would be forfeited and we must return a certain amount of the money we were awarded from the departing Pac-12 teams. Thus, rebuilding the PAC-12 , short of getting invited into the Big-12, was really our only option to try to survive. That's just not true or one of us or WSU would be in the playoff this year. Well, that's just not true. The Pac12, this year , is not an official league and won't be for 2 years, as we are considered independent until we aquire a minimum of 8 teams, set for 2026. At that time, we would become an FBS league and the champion, if one of the 5 highest ranked champions, would be included in the CFP tournament. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 24, 2024 7:40:37 GMT -8
No one is coming back in the foreseeable future. So OSU/WSU had to act now. Utah State played in the NCAA MBB tournament in 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2024. It played in bowl games in 2011-15, 2017-19, and 2021-23. It kicked our ass in the 2021 LA Bowl. So anyone who acts like we have invited the Little Sisters of the Poor hasn't been paying very close attention to college sports. And add to that, GAG was at USU as a coach less time (second stint) than he was at OSU - what does that say about us? Hopefully we won't be dumb enough to give him a second stint.......... |
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