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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 22:32:32 GMT -8
Yeah, it's absolutely not the same at all. The Pac-12 is taking a few of the top programs from the MWC. It is not merging with the entirety of the MWC as the new Pac-12. Absolutely two different scenarios. A Pac-12 rebuild was always going to include some MWC teams.That's been obvious from the beginning. I never said that the Pac-2 teams were going to join the Big 12. I just wanted it to happen. No more a fantasyfest than your dream of a reverse merger that would include all of the MWC teams. 🤣🤣 so predictable! As in, I'm right again? Totally agree. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 22:34:04 GMT -8
CSU's invested quite a bit into their programs of late (new stadium is very nice even though my experience in it was awful that's to GA). They haven't won but I do think Norvell is a good coach.
Yeah, true. But to me CSU is by far the weakest of the four and IMO behind UNLV at this point. The Denver media market is almost double the size of the Las Vegas media market, and Colorado State plays current media darlings Colorado at least six times from 2029-2037. UNLV is definitely team #5 behind Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, and San Diego State. I personally take UNLV #5 to try and get the Las Vegas Bowl. I don't know who team #6 is, though. It would be great if it was UTSA or Tulane or both. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 22:45:35 GMT -8
Yeah, true. But to me CSU is by far the weakest of the four and IMO behind UNLV at this point. The Denver media market is almost double the size of the Las Vegas media market, and Colorado State plays current media darlings Colorado at least six times from 2029-2037. UNLV is definitely team #5 behind Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, and San Diego State. I personally take UNLV #5 to try and get the Las Vegas Bowl. I don't know who team #6 is, though. It would be great if it was UTSA or Tulane or both. Except that Colorado completely dominates the Denver market. UNLV is the only game in town for Vegas. I'm speaking college sports viewers of course, not the NFL teams, etc. Either way, I like UNLV's upside moving forward much more than CSU's. So yeah, add them if they need to. We'll see where this all leads. I'm pretty sure Barnes wasn't talking about wanting chaos for no reason. That's still got to be on the table in some form. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Sept 11, 2024 22:46:33 GMT -8
None of the scenarios listed would make a "Power" conference, unless the supposed "2nd Phase" included Cal, Stanford, and maybe UCLA and Colorado after Peon Dieon bolts after this season.
If not a power conference, would it not be smarter to ride things out a bit longer? Why not just join the MW if we are willing to settle for another "Group of XX" conference?
And no, if we form/join another conference ALL sports - including baseball- will be a part unless no/few other schools offer it (think w. gymnastics and wrestling).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 22:50:19 GMT -8
I’m not saying I know anything. But it’s fairly simple to deduce that without any big name brands this will be a step down as a conference. I will definitely be interested to see what the proposed economics of the deal are. Think of it this way... the old Pac12 isn't coming back. "This" is a huge step up from independence and no conference! I'll guess it's not $30 mil+ per, but if it includes escalation streaming clauses it could be bigger. This conference will have a stranglehold on West Coast inventory Great point about West Coast inventory. This creates a lot of leverage, especially if UNLV is team #7 in the Pac-12. Any thoughts on this being a ploy to try and get the Big-12 to send out invites to Oregon State and Wazzu? Asking for a friend. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 11, 2024 22:54:05 GMT -8
None of the scenarios listed would make a "Power" conference, unless the supposed "2nd Phase" included Cal, Stanford, and maybe UCLA and Colorado after Peon Dieon bolts after this season. If not a power conference, would it not be smarter to ride things out a bit longer? Why not just join the MW if we are willing to settle for another "Group of XX" conference? And no, if we form/join another conference ALL sports - including baseball- will be a part unless no/few other schools offer it (think w. gymnastics and wrestling). Boise State and Colorado State don't have baseball teams. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 11, 2024 22:55:53 GMT -8
Do you think Arizona and ASU are completely off the table? If the PAC money is similar to B12 and there's an escape clause, imo the Arizona's are more Pacific than Texas and great plains (west Virginia, Cincinnati, and Disneyworld Florida? )
2nd thought- being decent at sports helps. I also thought UNLV, but the football team has been krap for eternity and basketball hasn't sniffed a NCAA berth for 15 or so. And Colorado State is at a minimum average.
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 22:57:52 GMT -8
None of the scenarios listed would make a "Power" conference, unless the supposed "2nd Phase" included Cal, Stanford, and maybe UCLA and Colorado after Peon Dieon bolts after this season. If not a power conference, would it not be smarter to ride things out a bit longer? Why not just join the MW if we are willing to settle for another "Group of XX" conference? And no, if we form/join another conference ALL sports - including baseball- will be a part unless no/few other schools offer it (think w. gymnastics and wrestling). Well maybe this is also about the future of the ACC. As I've said, maybe it's a plan for a backfill. Or some sort of Pac-ACC merger. Or the ACC falls apart completely and Cal and Stanford and SMU become available. Again, I believe Barnes thinks there's something else that could be on the table at some point. Even if that doesn't happen, a best of the rest Pac-12 conference would very likely bring a stronger media deal than a merger with the MWC. That's why I would expect them to look to grab Tulane and maybe a UTSA if they do add more teams. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 23:06:16 GMT -8
The Denver media market is almost double the size of the Las Vegas media market, and Colorado State plays current media darlings Colorado at least six times from 2029-2037. UNLV is definitely team #5 behind Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, and San Diego State. I personally take UNLV #5 to try and get the Las Vegas Bowl. I don't know who team #6 is, though. It would be great if it was UTSA or Tulane or both. Except that Colorado completely dominates the Denver market. UNLV is the only game in town for Vegas. I'm speaking college sports viewers of course, not the NFL teams, etc. Either way, I like UNLV's upside moving forward much more than CSU's. So yeah, add them if they need to. We'll see where this all leads. I'm pretty sure Barnes wasn't talking about wanting chaos for no reason. That's still got to be on the table in some form. Fort Collins proper is about 3X the population of Corvallis. The metro population is nearly 4X larger than Corvallis' metro area. The State of Colorado has 1.6 million larger population than Oregon, and most of that lives within an hour or so of CSU. To top it off, CSU has a stadium with a greater seating capacity than Reser. We don't have much to boast about, perhaps the Pac 12 should have kicked us out years ago. If CSU can play competitively, it'll do just fine. If they're smart, CU and CSU will cooperate as much as possible to not schedule games at the same time and they both can thrive- although there are so many people within an hour of those 2 schools they probably could play at the same time all season and be just fine. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 23:07:29 GMT -8
Do you think Arizona and ASU are completely off the table? If the PAC money is similar to B12 and there's an escape clause, imo the Arizona's are more Pacific than Texas and great plains (west Virginia, Cincinnati, and Disneyworld Florida? ) 2nd thought- being decent at sports helps. I also thought UNLV, but the football team has been krap for eternity and basketball hasn't sniffed a NCAA berth for 15 or so. And Colorado State is at a minimum average. UNLV was very good last year and looks like it's going to be really good this season. I'm very interested in seeing how the UNLV-Boise State game goes. So a little bit of recency bias, but the school is in Las Vegas after all. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 23:15:49 GMT -8
None of the scenarios listed would make a "Power" conference, unless the supposed "2nd Phase" included Cal, Stanford, and maybe UCLA and Colorado after Peon Dieon bolts after this season. If not a power conference, would it not be smarter to ride things out a bit longer? Why not just join the MW if we are willing to settle for another "Group of XX" conference? And no, if we form/join another conference ALL sports - including baseball- will be a part unless no/few other schools offer it (think w. gymnastics and wrestling). Ya know, the Big 12 minus the former Pac 12 add ons wasn't exactly a "power conference" either, yet they were able to get a big enough TV deal that Pac 12 teams were willing to bolt to them. The PAC has potential to build a stronger league than the MWC, get a better TV deal, and potentially maintain power status if the powers that be decide they need/want a western based power conference. If this deal does happen, every school joining must think it's worth the risk. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 11, 2024 23:21:38 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 23:25:58 GMT -8
Except that Colorado completely dominates the Denver market. UNLV is the only game in town for Vegas. I'm speaking college sports viewers of course, not the NFL teams, etc. Either way, I like UNLV's upside moving forward much more than CSU's. So yeah, add them if they need to. We'll see where this all leads. I'm pretty sure Barnes wasn't talking about wanting chaos for no reason. That's still got to be on the table in some form. Fort Collins proper is about 3X the population of Corvallis. The metro population is nearly 4X larger than Corvallis' metro area. The State of Colorado has 1.6 million larger population than Oregon, and most of that lives within an hour or so of CSU. To top it off, CSU has a stadium with a greater seating capacity than Reser. We don't have much to boast about, perhaps the Pac 12 should have kicked us out years ago. If CSU can play competitively, it'll do just fine. If they're smart, CU and CSU will cooperate as much as possible to not schedule games at the same time and they both can thrive- although there are so many people within an hour of those 2 schools they probably could play at the same time all season and be just fine. First of all, this was about comparing CSU and UNLV. Stillwater is smaller than Fort Collins. So is Manhattan, Kansas. KSU and Oklahoma State are at a completely different level than CSU. None of that stuff really matters. Nobody watches CSU football unless it's against Colorado. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 23:27:13 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 23:49:01 GMT -8
Fort Collins proper is about 3X the population of Corvallis. The metro population is nearly 4X larger than Corvallis' metro area. The State of Colorado has 1.6 million larger population than Oregon, and most of that lives within an hour or so of CSU. To top it off, CSU has a stadium with a greater seating capacity than Reser. We don't have much to boast about, perhaps the Pac 12 should have kicked us out years ago. If CSU can play competitively, it'll do just fine. If they're smart, CU and CSU will cooperate as much as possible to not schedule games at the same time and they both can thrive- although there are so many people within an hour of those 2 schools they probably could play at the same time all season and be just fine. First of all, this was about comparing CSU and UNLV. Stillwater is smaller than Fort Collins. So is Manhattan, Kansas. KSU and Oklahoma State are at a completely different level than CSU. None of that stuff really matters. Nobody watches CSU football unless it's against Colorado. The year before Deion showed up at CU, CSU was drawing more TV eyeballs than Colorado, ASU or any of the other MWC teams... and CSU was actually a pretty crummy team that year, they only won 3 games. They probably need to play competively to consistently draw more eyeballs. Last season they "averaged" over 900k a game, but that was very heavily influenced by the Deion factor and the 9 million plus that watched that matchup. Here's the numbers from 2022. medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-the-most-watched-in-2022-94eca4f6acbd |
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