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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 11, 2024 20:18:00 GMT -8
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 11, 2024 20:22:54 GMT -8
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Post by ftd on Sept 11, 2024 20:23:23 GMT -8
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 11, 2024 20:34:08 GMT -8
Well that would be six teams. Need at least two more
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Post by beaverdreams on Sept 11, 2024 20:35:25 GMT -8
Well that would be six teams. Need at least two more First phase.....My guess is they're counting on ACC implosion, and adding Cal and Stanford. Although I can't imagine the stodgy high brow Stanford elites going for that. |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Sept 11, 2024 20:55:34 GMT -8
If we are truly going to try and rebuild the PAC I don’t feel good about it. Adding a bunch of G5 MWC schools won’t make us a power conference and it wall all but hinder recruiting efforts in every sport especially football/baseball. Budgets will be cut. This doesn’t move the needle at all and if this is what the leadership has come to after all this time I’m pretty disappointed.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 11, 2024 20:58:24 GMT -8
Looks like a multi-phase plan. Boise State, Fresno State, SDSU and Colorado State to start.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:08:56 GMT -8
Well that would be six teams. Need at least two more First phase.....My guess is they're counting on ACC implosion, and adding Cal and Stanford. Although I can't imagine the stodgy high brow Stanford elites going for that. Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 11, 2024 21:12:34 GMT -8
First phase.....My guess is they're counting on ACC implosion, and adding Cal and Stanford. Although I can't imagine the stodgy high brow Stanford elites going for that. Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 Penalties apply until 2027. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 11, 2024 21:12:36 GMT -8
A follow up tweet? X? from Dellenger points out:
"The first-round of expansion could be costly. Mountain West schools are contractually bound to each owe $17M exit fee & $10-12M more in penalty fees attached to the MWC scheduling alliance."
Will be interesting to see how this pencils out for all parties involved.
Go Beavers!
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:15:23 GMT -8
Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 Penalties apply until 2027. Unless I've read the summary of the original contact incorrectly... the "poaching" penalty fees end with the current scheduling contract. And, one of the reasons why a new agreement wasn't reached. Ar the end of this contract were not connected to the MWC in any way. But, again all these contracts aren't always fully disclosed, or understood by those on message boards. I'm sure the 3rd party is "driving" this ship... meaning a significant media partner. |
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:16:34 GMT -8
The Yahoo and ESPN reports are saying that we are still paying extra poaching fees to the MWC as part of our scheduling agreement this year. Not sure if that's confirmed, or just an assumption on their part.
If true, this is a very expensive expansion. But...I would have to believe there are also parallel talks happening with potential TV partners, and maybe there is decent news developing there.
I also find it intriguing that they're not getting to 8 all at once. This also points to having additional flexibility, and I wonder if having the beginnings of an honest-to-gawd conference would make it more palatable to attract other, more high profile teams, or at least be available for any with buyer's remorse. I know, probably wishful thinking...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:16:55 GMT -8
First phase.....My guess is they're counting on ACC implosion, and adding Cal and Stanford. Although I can't imagine the stodgy high brow Stanford elites going for that. Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 Don't think it works that way. Didn't the MWC nembers sign a GOR contract that had essentially a perpetually revolving notice, with a double penalty for not giving at least a year of notice? There were several articles about it a year or so ago if I recall correctly. I'm thinking it took essentially 2 years to get out with minimum penalty. They probably should have done it last month, but then again, most of the teams have early non-conference games so maybe they are trying to get out before league season begins. The CBS/FOX dwal runs through the '25/'26 season apparently. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 11, 2024 21:20:24 GMT -8
If we are truly going to try and rebuild the PAC I don’t feel good about it. Adding a bunch of G5 MWC schools won’t make us a power conference and it wall all but hinder recruiting efforts in every sport especially football/baseball. Budgets will be cut. This doesn’t move the needle at all and if this is what the leadership has come to after all this time I’m pretty disappointed. What else would you rebuild the pac with? |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Sept 11, 2024 21:20:29 GMT -8
This seems like what ended up being the "last resort" or worst case scenario IMO. Nothing about this is going to excite any casual fans that are staying away this season after the Pac-12 implosion. I'm not really sure about any other way to look at it. It lets us maintain the PAC assets sure, but all that means is we use that money to pay for the MW schools since the scheduling agreement built those costs in to poach schools unless I'm mistaken.
Sure it maybe allows an opportunity to expand again later and bring back some other West coast schools if the ACC implodes or other schools decide the travel isn't worth it in the B1G or B12, but I don't see much bright side here. Maybe we can get unequal revenue sharing and get 10-15M for us/WSU while the other MW schools stay close to their current figure and maybe a little more?
I don't know, I've followed realignment some, but admittedly not enough to know all the ins and outs of our situation. Maybe someone more knowledgable than me can provide some more info on how this is a good thing but I just don't see how this is any different than just slapping the Pac-12 name on the MWC.
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