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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:20:29 GMT -8
Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 Don't think it works that way. Didn't the MWC nembers sign a GOR contract that had essentially a perpetually revolving notice, with a double penalty for not giving at least a year of notice? There were several articles about it a year or so ago if I recall correctly. That would be the MWC exit fee. Which isn't related to the poaching fee. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 11, 2024 21:23:01 GMT -8
A follow up tweet? X? from Dellenger points out: "The first-round of expansion could be costly. Mountain West schools are contractually bound to each owe $17M exit fee & $10-12M more in penalty fees attached to the MWC scheduling alliance." Will be interesting to see how this pencils out for all parties involved. Go Beavers! Thats where the PAC 12 money OSU/WSU got comes into play. They can help those schools with their buyout fees. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:23:30 GMT -8
This seems like what ended up being the "last resort" or worst case scenario IMO. Nothing about this is going to excite any casual fans that are staying away this season after the Pac-12 implosion. I'm not really sure about any other way to look at it. It lets us maintain the PAC assets sure, but all that means is we use that money to pay for the MW schools since the scheduling agreement built those costs in to poach schools unless I'm mistaken. Sure it maybe allows an opportunity to expand again later and bring back some other West coast schools if the ACC implodes or other schools decide the travel isn't worth it in the B1G or B12, but I don't see much bright side here. Maybe we can get unequal revenue sharing and get 10-15M for us/WSU while the other MW schools stay close to their current figure and maybe a little more? I don't know, I've followed realignment some, but admittedly not enough to know all the ins and outs of our situation. Maybe someone more knowledgable than me can provide some more info on how this is a good thing but I just don't see how this is any different than just slapping the Pac-12 name on the MWC. Like the rest of this mess... it's about $. This isn't a last resort. My guess a significant media partner(s) are the driving force. So, if this gets a media deal that allows funding at current levels it's a huge deal. |
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:24:01 GMT -8
First phase.....My guess is they're counting on ACC implosion, and adding Cal and Stanford. Although I can't imagine the stodgy high brow Stanford elites going for that. Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 The MWC is undoubtedly negotiating a new media contract now, to have something in place for when its current one expires next year. That one will certainly have exit fees as well. Either these teams leave now, or they sign a new contract and leave under those terms. And I'm willing to bet the smaller MWC programs are going to insist on high exit fees in a new media deal, maybe even higher than now. I just don't think we can ever get out of paying exit fees. The MWC isn't going to let itself be in a position with no media contract in effect. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 11, 2024 21:28:14 GMT -8
The Big 12 was always a fantasy. As many times as they said no to us/WSU, people still would not believe them. Supposedly we got another "hard no" last week, but obviously this move has been in the works for quite some time.
Believe them now. Surprised that either UNLV, Wyoming or SJSU isn't part of this. Perhaps two more will have to buy their way in. I can't imagine anyone wanting to be left behind.
Anyway, positive movement.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:28:49 GMT -8
This seems like what ended up being the "last resort" or worst case scenario IMO. Nothing about this is going to excite any casual fans that are staying away this season after the Pac-12 implosion. I'm not really sure about any other way to look at it. It lets us maintain the PAC assets sure, but all that means is we use that money to pay for the MW schools since the scheduling agreement built those costs in to poach schools unless I'm mistaken. Sure it maybe allows an opportunity to expand again later and bring back some other West coast schools if the ACC implodes or other schools decide the travel isn't worth it in the B1G or B12, but I don't see much bright side here. Maybe we can get unequal revenue sharing and get 10-15M for us/WSU while the other MW schools stay close to their current figure and maybe a little more? I don't know, I've followed realignment some, but admittedly not enough to know all the ins and outs of our situation. Maybe someone more knowledgable than me can provide some more info on how this is a good thing but I just don't see how this is any different than just slapping the Pac-12 name on the MWC. Seems to me this was the front end of the rumored first choice deal brought up last year. Take the 4-6 best MWC teams then add more select teams from further east, and build a stronger conference than just merging with the MWC. I'd be looking for the MWC going after the successful Dakotas teams if the 4 mentioned teams bolt to the PAC. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 11, 2024 21:30:27 GMT -8
If we are truly going to try and rebuild the PAC I don’t feel good about it. Adding a bunch of G5 MWC schools won’t make us a power conference and it wall all but hinder recruiting efforts in every sport especially football/baseball. Budgets will be cut. This doesn’t move the needle at all and if this is what the leadership has come to after all this time I’m pretty disappointed. There are no P4 schools to "rebuild with." |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:31:19 GMT -8
Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 The MWC is undoubtedly negotiating a new media contract now, to have something in place for when its current one expires next year. That one will certainly have exit fees as well. Either these teams leave now, or they sign a new contract and leave under those terms. And I'm willing to bet the smaller MWC programs are going to insist on high exit fees in a new media deal, maybe even higher than now. I just don't think we can ever get out of paying exit fees. The MWC isn't going to let itself be in a position with no media contract in effect. The MWC can be negotiating all they want. Not sure new media deals begin negotiating quite this early?? But, teams are not required to sign the new agreement, new exit fees will not apply. And, any defections will greatly alter any current MWC negotiations. No media partner is going to enter into a new MWC worth more than the current without those 4 teams as confirmed members. And, this didn't occur without a 3rd party (media deal secured) OSU, WSU, the Pac12 moniker doesn't have the cache alone to make this happen. It's all about having the money to begin and secure the process. OSU, WSU, and Gould were forced to play the same game that ruined the Pac12. Looks like another media partner agreed to help?! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:36:47 GMT -8
Without knowing all the intricacies, timeliness, and legalities... why would the Pac12 not wait to formally accept the MWC after July 1st, 2025 when no penalties are required. Also an application to the Pac12 isn't an official letter of withdrawal from the MWC so why not wait until the MWC media deal expired? I'm guessing the timeliness of all this is required by said 3rd party, who most likely is a media partner?? If so, said 3rd party will probably be assisting in with the fee structure and tie it in with the annual revenue payments. Pac12 rebuild >>> B12 The MWC is undoubtedly negotiating a new media contract now, to have something in place for when its current one expires next year. That one will certainly have exit fees as well. Either these teams leave now, or they sign a new contract and leave under those terms. And I'm willing to bet the smaller MWC programs are going to insist on high exit fees in a new media deal, maybe even higher than now. I just don't think we can ever get out of paying exit fees. The MWC isn't going to let itself be in a position with no media contract in effect. Theit CBS/FOX deal doesn't end til after the 25'/26' year, but Nevarro has apparently pushing to renegotiate an extension. After I read that a week or two back, I thought it might be a race to see who could get committments first - The Pac 12 getting schools to commit or the MWC getting a TV deal extension. IF this happens, it'll probably throw a wrench into the MWC 's extension negotiations. |
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Post by richard44 on Sept 11, 2024 21:42:28 GMT -8
Depending on who else we eventually add, I really like this. I think we have a real opportunity to create the premier west coast/mountain time zone sports conference. The fact that there is no power west coast conference is crazy to me, and it’s ripe for the picking.
You could look at adding a UNLV to control the Vegas market for recruiting and viewership. Getting Fresno and San Diego’s market for recruiting and viewership is another big win. And you never know how long it will be until Cal or UCLA come crawling back. Those programs make way more sense in the rebuilt pac 12 vs the ACC and Big Ten.
Stanford and Cal might have some real regrets. They joined a, likely, dying conference for no money and horrible travel, while we are creating a brand new conference that has a chance to control the west coast.
I feel like this move certainly puts Big 12 and ACC in a precarious spot where they know one of their conferences is likely to die soon.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:45:41 GMT -8
If we are truly going to try and rebuild the PAC I don’t feel good about it. Adding a bunch of G5 MWC schools won’t make us a power conference and it wall all but hinder recruiting efforts in every sport especially football/baseball. Budgets will be cut. This doesn’t move the needle at all and if this is what the leadership has come to after all this time I’m pretty disappointed. 3 of those 4 teams were in the top 20-25 rankings at one point last year. Same with OSU and WSU. That's a good start. If FSU and Baylor win their lawsuit or settle to get out cheap, the ACC could crumble... not saying FSU and Baylor would join, but there could be other disgruntled ACC schools thinking they could have an easier playoff route in the PAC. Heck, if GOR contracts die, Cal and Stanford may have 2nd thoughts and want to buy their way back in... that'd be rich. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:48:08 GMT -8
My guess is that there are other MWC teams involved??
Maybe these (4) have gone thru the administrative pieces and have approval. Others still in process?
I'm sure if these (4) are indeed secured others are going to want in!
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Post by grayman on Sept 11, 2024 21:50:10 GMT -8
The Big 12 was always a fantasy. As many times as they said no to us/WSU, people still would not believe them. Supposedly we got another "hard no" last week, but obviously this move has been in the works for quite some time. Believe them now. Surprised that either UNLV, Wyoming or SJSU isn't part of this. Perhaps two more will have to buy their way in. I can't imagine anyone wanting to be left behind. Anyway, positive movement. Apparently so was a full merger with the MWC or joining the MWC. Huh. Wyoming and San Jose State were never going to be a part of a Pac-12 rebuild. |
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 11, 2024 21:52:47 GMT -8
My pipe dream/pie-in-the-sky fantasy is that we think bold, and go directly to USC and UCLA and offer to match what they're getting in the B!G, with the rest of the conference TV revenue evenly distributed between the rest of the schools. Screw equal revenue sharing, those days are long gone.
Then approach TV partners and the old PAC teams, and see who wants in on getting the band back together.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 11, 2024 21:53:33 GMT -8
If we are truly going to try and rebuild the PAC I don’t feel good about it. Adding a bunch of G5 MWC schools won’t make us a power conference and it wall all but hinder recruiting efforts in every sport especially football/baseball. Budgets will be cut. This doesn’t move the needle at all and if this is what the leadership has come to after all this time I’m pretty disappointed. How would you even begin to know budgets are going to be cut? This supposed deal has a 3rd party. Most likely a media partner(s). The revenue and budgets will depend on the media deal driving this. As without a media deal these (4) aren't just up and jumping ship. |
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