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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 8:59:51 GMT -8
Bingo. This is everything. I am hoping that we've already perused all the contracts and bylaws, and concluded that if we get back to 8 teams, then we should be entitled to have our P5 status automatically reinstated. And if it's not, then we're prepping to enforce this in the courtroom. I don't think spending $100 mil+ makes sense if we don't already think we have a good path back to P5 status. I am hoping this is the endgame. I've wanted three things for OSU. The first is a regional conference. It could be bigger but at least have a PST and MST division. The second is P5 status. Without that, maybe a simple reverse merger would have been the best play. Third, a good dollar amount for a TV contract. How do you define good? I've read on our wonderfully informative BH, that we are looking at $10M to $15M. I was and am hoping for at least $20M. You need money to create a decent payroll (seems weird saying that). Without pay for play dollars, competing is more difficult and a team/conference is more likely "group" than "power." The media deal has zero to do with NIL payroll. Those funds can’t be used for NIL. That has to come from outside the school |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 9:11:12 GMT -8
I've wanted three things for OSU. The first is a regional conference. It could be bigger but at least have a PST and MST division. The second is P5 status. Without that, maybe a simple reverse merger would have been the best play. Third, a good dollar amount for a TV contract. How do you define good? I've read on our wonderfully informative BH, that we are looking at $10M to $15M. I was and am hoping for at least $20M. You need money to create a decent payroll (seems weird saying that). Without pay for play dollars, competing is more difficult and a team/conference is more likely "group" than "power." The media deal has zero to do with NIL payroll. Those funds can’t be used for NIL. That has to come from outside the school I believe it's connected. If I was a big donor (I'm not) I would be more likely to fund some NIL things if the school did not need money to fund track scholarships (for example). |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 14, 2024 9:30:08 GMT -8
The media deal has zero to do with NIL payroll. Those funds can’t be used for NIL. That has to come from outside the school I believe it's connected. If I was a big donor (I'm not) I would be more likely to fund some NIL things if the school did not need money to fund track scholarships (for example). Makes zero sense. Scholarships are set within Title IX and budgets annually. Donors can give to a program, but they don't pay for scholarships. Some schools allow for endowed scholarships & coaching positions. NIL $ are from individuals and companies and not tied to media revenue. How you specially might give & why doesn't change that. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 9:35:33 GMT -8
I believe it's connected. If I was a big donor (I'm not) I would be more likely to fund some NIL things if the school did not need money to fund track scholarships (for example). Makes zero sense. Scholarships are set within Title IX and budgets annually. Donors can give to a program, but they don't pay for scholarships. Some schools allow for endowed scholarships & coaching positions. NIL $ are from individuals and companies and not tied to media revenue. How you specially might give & why doesn't change that. You are picking at nits. When you give money to OSU athletics, do you do so for need? If OSU's athletic budget is $70M instead of $90M, what gets cut? Do you think some athletic scholarships go away? I do. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2024 10:05:49 GMT -8
Bingo. This is everything. I am hoping that we've already perused all the contracts and bylaws, and concluded that if we get back to 8 teams, then we should be entitled to have our P5 status automatically reinstated. And if it's not, then we're prepping to enforce this in the courtroom. I don't think spending $100 mil+ makes sense if we don't already think we have a good path back to P5 status. I am hoping this is the endgame. I've wanted three things for OSU. The first is a regional conference. It could be bigger but at least have a PST and MST division. The second is P5 status. Without that, maybe a simple reverse merger would have been the best play. Third, a good dollar amount for a TV contract. How do you define good? I've read on our wonderfully informative BH, that we are looking at $10M to $15M. I was and am hoping for at least $20M. You need money to create a decent payroll (seems weird saying that). Without pay for play dollars, competing is more difficult and a team/conference is more likely "group" than "power." Do you really think we can get a 20 million a team (even 10-15) TV deal filling in with the weaker MWC teams and potential new FBS teams like EWU and Sac State? The MWC contract is roughly 3.5 million a team, and to some extent it was driven by 4 schools we already nabbed. We might need new eyeballs to get that kind of money. There are more bigger TV markets back east to tap into. And, taking an idea from other posts I've seen in threads here, OSU has 200 something living graduate alumni, while the University of North Texas (a school some here have poo-pooed) has 476k, two thirds of which live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The leagues back east tapped into the Pac's biggest markets because TV was willing to help them to do so. Perhaps it would benefit the Pac to tap into some larger markets to the east? |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 14, 2024 10:27:36 GMT -8
Why do folks think living alumni are still part of a fan base?
I know many OSU grads that are fans of other programs and vice versa. Especially those with grad degrees elsewhere. There is no direct causation that alumni equals TV viewership.
The next (3) teams... thinking Barnes have away a bit of his hand with (9) being his preferred football conference... will be solid football programs or one's m with potential to be so. I also think they'll need a solid financially situation and stadium/facilities to keep the Power conference hopes alive.
It'll be interesting to see how far East the Pac12 is willing to go.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 10:33:02 GMT -8
I've wanted three things for OSU. The first is a regional conference. It could be bigger but at least have a PST and MST division. The second is P5 status. Without that, maybe a simple reverse merger would have been the best play. Third, a good dollar amount for a TV contract. How do you define good? I've read on our wonderfully informative BH, that we are looking at $10M to $15M. I was and am hoping for at least $20M. You need money to create a decent payroll (seems weird saying that). Without pay for play dollars, competing is more difficult and a team/conference is more likely "group" than "power." Do you really think we can get a 20 million a team (even 10-15) TV deal Honestly, I have no idea filling in with the weaker MWC teams and potential new FBS teams like EWU and Sac State? Of course not with existing FCS teams The MWC contract is roughly 3.5 million a team, and to some extent it was driven by 4 schools we already nabbed. I believe the TV networks have a lot of smart folks who calculate what adding sports does to their overall business plan. Ideally for the PAC, you want CW or Apple to overpay a little (in the short term) because it helps their longterm goals. We might need new eyeballs to get that kind of money. There are more bigger TV markets back east to tap into. And, taking an idea from other posts I've seen in threads here, OSU has 200 something living graduate alumni, while the University of North Texas (a school some here have poo-pooed) has 476k, two thirds of which live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Do UNT alumni care about UNT sports? I don't know but I'm guessing the percentage is less than traditional "big name" schools.The leagues back east tapped into the Pac's biggest markets because TV was willing to help them to do so. Perhaps it would benefit the Pac to tap into some larger markets to the east? I've never lived in Texas or spent enough time there to have a feeling if a North Texas vs OSU or a UTSA vs WSU game would even get on the radar in Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, or San Antonio. The same is true for me in Memphis, New Orleans, and someone even mentioned North Carolina. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 10:44:37 GMT -8
Why do folks think living alumni are still part of a fan base? I know many OSU grads that are fans of other programs and vice versa. Especially those with grad degrees elsewhere. There is no direct causation that alumni equals TV viewership. The next (3) teams... thinking Barnes have away a bit of his hand with (9) being his preferred football conference... will be solid football programs or one's m with potential to be so. I also think they'll need a solid financially situation and stadium/facilities to keep the Power conference hopes alive. It'll be interesting to see how far East the Pac12 is willing to go. Mr. Contrarian - what do you think is the greatest predictor of finding a person who cares enough about Oregon State sports to send the University a check each year and attend some games? I'm guessing it's living alumni. The living is self-explanatory. And the alumni should be. If you take the 220K +/- OSU living alumni, as a hunch, 50K of them have sent money or attended a game in the last three years. Now I invite you to find a sample of 220K people from any group you would like in the entire world and see if you can find 50K of them that did that. By coincidence the combined population of Linn and Benton counties is 225k. Do you think 23% of them fit that group? If you excluded alumni, what do you guess that percentage would be? My guess would be less than 10% and maybe less than 5%. And it would be driven by university employees and direct family of alumni. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 14, 2024 11:40:30 GMT -8
Why do folks think living alumni are still part of a fan base? I know many OSU grads that are fans of other programs and vice versa. Especially those with grad degrees elsewhere. There is no direct causation that alumni equals TV viewership. The next (3) teams... thinking Barnes have away a bit of his hand with (9) being his preferred football conference... will be solid football programs or one's m with potential to be so. I also think they'll need a solid financially situation and stadium/facilities to keep the Power conference hopes alive. It'll be interesting to see how far East the Pac12 is willing to go. Mr. Contrarian - what do you think is the greatest predictor of finding a person who cares enough about Oregon State sports to send the University a check each year and attend some games? I'm guessing it's living alumni. The living is self-explanatory. And the alumni should be. If you take the 220K +/- OSU living alumni, as a hunch, 50K of them have sent money or attended a game in the last three years. Now I invite you to find a sample of 220K people from any group you would like in the entire world and see if you can find 50K of them that did that. By coincidence the combined population of Linn and Benton counties is 225k. Do you think 23% of them fit that group? If you excluded alumni, what do you guess that percentage would be? My guess would be less than 10% and maybe less than 5%. And it would be driven by university employees and direct family of alumni. 🤔🤣 |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2024 12:12:11 GMT -8
Why do folks think living alumni are still part of a fan base? I know many OSU grads that are fans of other programs and vice versa. Especially those with grad degrees elsewhere. There is no direct causation that alumni equals TV viewership. The next (3) teams... thinking Barnes have away a bit of his hand with (9) being his preferred football conference... will be solid football programs or one's m with potential to be so. I also think they'll need a solid financially situation and stadium/facilities to keep the Power conference hopes alive. It'll be interesting to see how far East the Pac12 is willing to go. Germany? France? England? Denmark? Iran? We've alreadu got athletes at OSU from those places  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 17:06:18 GMT -8
The media deal has zero to do with NIL payroll. Those funds can’t be used for NIL. That has to come from outside the school I believe it's connected. If I was a big donor (I'm not) I would be more likely to fund some NIL things if the school did not need money to fund track scholarships (for example). You can also believe that the Earth is flat. Doesn’t mean it’s true. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 17:36:42 GMT -8
Because we have a decent media deal, you feel like you can put more of your money into NIL? Or is it because our media deal is lacking, Scott Barnes has you on speed dial?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 14, 2024 18:36:25 GMT -8
The three best choices out there are UNLV, Air Force and Wyoming. Doesn't matter to me if it makes us the MWC + 2. Compact, regional footprint; continuation of existing rivalries; a good academic school with a national profile (AFA); a fellow land-grant school (UW), and a rising player in a huge media market (UNLV).
If you're not UT or TAMU, you don't really matter in Texas, much less outside of it. Absolutely no need for us to go 1,000 miles and two time zones away for two programs no one on the West Coast has ever heard of. Memphis is a serial NCAA violator. Tulane is just too far away.
A true western Pac-12, not some league with far-flung members and travel problems galore.
Stanford and UCLA are never coming back. If the ACC implodes (which I keep hearing about, but haven't seen one iota of that happening yet) maybe Cal finally faces the financial facts of life and returns to make it a 10-team league.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 18:36:55 GMT -8
Because we have a decent media deal, you feel like you can put more of your money into NIL? Or is it because our media deal is lacking, Scott Barnes has you on speed dial? I don’t think you know how NIL works. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 14, 2024 21:29:43 GMT -8
One more thing: The payout money in the long haul is immaterial. If we have to pay $10 million or whatever to get the right team, pay it. It's like buying a house. It's a long-term investment. If you have to pay $10k more than you thought, big deal. You get the house you want and it really isn't much to pay if you keep the house for 20 or 25 years.
Hearing between $12-15 million a year in media rights. That would be decent, a nice start.
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