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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 13:33:05 GMT -8
Are any of those schools good baseball schools? Rice used to be, but hasn't been relevant for years. Rice is garbage in football and basketball. They would add nothing. They invest very little in their football program and it is a really small school. Smallest FBS schools: 1. Tulsa
2. Rice
3. Air Force
4. Navy
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 13:43:14 GMT -8
Yes, I am aware of what Texas State has done so far this season. But the Bobcats' best season was last year when they went 8-5 with a bowl win over Rice. They lost in a close game to UTSA. UTSA has gone something like 12-2, 11-3 and 9-3 the past three seasons (those are from memory, pretty sure I got the wins right but might not be 100 on the losses). Neither school has a long football history. 9-4 last year. UTSA is 22-2 in Conference USA/American Athletic play over the past three years. UTSA was established in 1969 but did not start up football until 2011. Texas State was established in 1899. Texas State has had a football team since 1904. Texas State is the 27th-largest university in the country. UTSA is 66th. Both are larger than both universities in Oregon. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2024 13:46:20 GMT -8
I hope we can form a new conference with teams all west of the Rockies. Going forward the travel piece is going to be big and it can be a strong point for us. Cal, Stanford, UNLV, Reno, USU, SJSU and others. While maybe not the glamour of the old Pac 12, we have a solid , logical travel footprint and almost lockup an entire time zone. Then we've already failed, because technically Ft. Collins is East of the Rockies. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 13:55:45 GMT -8
The more I've looked at Texas State, the more intrigued I become. There is some question about football success and the ability to sustain it. Agree that it is in a great location, not far from San Antonio and about an hour or so from Austin. Nice stadium, haven't checked the capacity but I assume it's not an issue. Gives the Pac-12 the very important (IMO) Texas footprint. And if SMU becomes available at some point, the territories don't overlap at all. I guess it would boil down to would it be a better addition than UTSA? UTSA is a better add for several reasons. The Alamodome seats 64,000. UFCU Stadium seats 27,149. Nobody watches Texas State. Averages 16,586 in attendance over the past five years. 110 out of 133 in attendance. New Mexico is 109. Hawaii in 108. Nevada is 107. UTEP is 106. Tulsa is 102. Tulane is 99. Utah State is 94. UNLV is 93. Rice is 92. North Texas is 90. Wyoming is 89. SMU is 88. UTSA is 83. Air Force is 80. Houston is 77. Colorado State is 76. Wazzu is 75. San Diego State is 73. Oregon State is 69. Boise is 66. Fresno is 65. Stanford is 58. Cal is 56. Arizona is 52. Colorado is 45. UCLA is 43. Arizona State is 42. Utah is 40. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 13:59:22 GMT -8
I hope we can form a new conference with teams all west of the Rockies. Going forward the travel piece is going to be big and it can be a strong point for us. Cal, Stanford, UNLV, Reno, USU, SJSU and others. While maybe not the glamour of the old Pac 12, we have a solid , logical travel footprint and almost lockup an entire time zone. Then we've already failed, because technically Ft. Collins is East of the Rockies. By what 35 miles? Close enough! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2024 14:06:00 GMT -8
Then we've already failed, because technically Ft. Collins is East of the Rockies. By what 35 miles? Close enough! When is East not East? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2024 14:29:44 GMT -8
I've seen arguments made for South Florida in Tampa. R1 university, big- lots of students, building an on campus stadium, big TV market.
I saw one projection with 8 western schools and 8 south/east schools. Their last 2 western schools were UNLV and Wyoming. I'd prefer Nevada if 8, would really prefer to get to 7 in the west and get to 6 or 7 back east. I think with east and west pods of appropriate size, cross country travel could be kept down to 1-2 trips a year.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 13, 2024 14:31:20 GMT -8
Lyndon Baines Johnson is the most famous graduate of Texas State, back when it was Southwest Texas State Teachers College.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 14:42:57 GMT -8
Yes, I am aware of what Texas State has done so far this season. But the Bobcats' best season was last year when they went 8-5 with a bowl win over Rice. They lost in a close game to UTSA. UTSA has gone something like 12-2, 11-3 and 9-3 the past three seasons (those are from memory, pretty sure I got the wins right but might not be 100 on the losses). Neither school has a long football history. 9-4 last year. UTSA is 22-2 in Conference USA/American Athletic play over the past three years. UTSA was established in 1969 but did not start up football until 2011. Texas State was established in 1899. Texas State has had a football team since 1904. Texas State is the 27th-largest university in the country. UTSA is 66th. Both are larger than both universities in Oregon. UTSA would be a solid grab. San Antonio is the 31st ranked media Market. North Texas over Texas State though... that is the other Texas you want. If you are taking a pair of Texas schools. And we should... North Texas and UTSA are who we should target I think. Dallas and San Antonio, to great areas to have a presence. Two overall good schools themselves. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 14:44:07 GMT -8
I've seen arguments made for South Florida in Tampa. R1 university, big- lots of students, building an on campus stadium, big TV market. I saw one projection with 8 western schools and 8 south/east schools. Their last 2 western schools were UNLV and Wyoming. I'd prefer Nevada if 8, would really prefer to get to 7 in the west and get to 6 or 7 back east. I think with east and west pods of appropriate size, cross country travel could be kept down to 1-2 trips a year. Yeah as now said ad nauseum, I don't think we can literally get UNLV without UNR due to the political situation in Nevada. Not impossible I guess, but a lot more tricky. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 13, 2024 14:48:40 GMT -8
The more I've looked at Texas State, the more intrigued I become. There is some question about football success and the ability to sustain it. Agree that it is in a great location, not far from San Antonio and about an hour or so from Austin. Nice stadium, haven't checked the capacity but I assume it's not an issue. Gives the Pac-12 the very important (IMO) Texas footprint. And if SMU becomes available at some point, the territories don't overlap at all. I guess it would boil down to would it be a better addition than UTSA? UTSA is a better add for several reasons. The Alamodome seats 64,000. UFCU Stadium seats 27,149. Nobody watches Texas State. Averages 16,586 in attendance over the past five years. 110 out of 133 in attendance. New Mexico is 109. Hawaii in 108. Nevada is 107. UTEP is 106. Tulsa is 102. Tulane is 99. Utah State is 94. UNLV is 93. Rice is 92. North Texas is 90. Wyoming is 89. SMU is 88. UTSA is 83. Air Force is 80. Houston is 77. Colorado State is 76. Wazzu is 75. San Diego State is 73. Oregon State is 69. Boise is 66. Fresno is 65. Stanford is 58. Cal is 56. Arizona is 52. Colorado is 45. UCLA is 43. Arizona State is 42. Utah is 40. UFCU Stadium was renovated in 2012. It is much nicer than the Alamodome for football games when it comes to a more intimate setting. But the Alamodome is great for big games. However, UTSA doesn't even come remotely close to selling out games there. But I don't really think they are going to give Texas State real serious consideration anyway. I also think San Antonio is a sleeping giant as far as football is concerned and could really get excited about UTSA in the right conference. So I would definitely look at UTSA. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 15:00:09 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Sept 13, 2024 15:02:20 GMT -8
Yes, I am aware of what Texas State has done so far this season. But the Bobcats' best season was last year when they went 8-5 with a bowl win over Rice. They lost in a close game to UTSA. UTSA has gone something like 12-2, 11-3 and 9-3 the past three seasons (those are from memory, pretty sure I got the wins right but might not be 100 on the losses). Neither school has a long football history. 9-4 last year. UTSA is 22-2 in Conference USA/American Athletic play over the past three years. UTSA was established in 1969 but did not start up football until 2011. Texas State was established in 1899. Texas State has had a football team since 1904. Texas State is the 27th-largest university in the country. UTSA is 66th. Both are larger than both universities in Oregon. Yeah, I should have clarified that Texas State has only been DI FBS since 2012. If the size of the school had any real relevance to athletics, the football stadium would be much bigger than 27,000 seats. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 15:05:25 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2024 15:08:14 GMT -8
I've seen arguments made for South Florida in Tampa. R1 university, big- lots of students, building an on campus stadium, big TV market. I saw one projection with 8 western schools and 8 south/east schools. Their last 2 western schools were UNLV and Wyoming. I'd prefer Nevada if 8, would really prefer to get to 7 in the west and get to 6 or 7 back east. I think with east and west pods of appropriate size, cross country travel could be kept down to 1-2 trips a year. Yeah as now said ad nauseum, I don't think we can literally get UNLV without UNR due to the political situation in Nevada. Not impossible I guess, but a lot more tricky. Things could change over the months. Don't know how many bargaining chips we hold right now. I think we get to 8 to 10 schools, then let the dust settle for a bit, and maybe expand again a bit later. The powers that be in Nevada may decide want to get 1 school in, rather than 0, if there's a "final" expansion push. |
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