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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 15:13:47 GMT -8
By what 35 miles? Close enough! When is East not East? Probably near the poles. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 15:24:34 GMT -8
I like the overall sentiment of the article. He's a bit harsh on the Pac2, but I tend to agree with the overall point. I realize it may be worth it monetarily speaking, if we can fill in with some of the "best of the rest", and get a decent media deal. He doesn't even touch on the fact that there may already be something in the works, and at least partly why this is happening now. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 15:32:50 GMT -8
Lyndon Baines Johnson is the most famous graduate of Texas State, back when it was Southwest Texas State Teachers College. He put his library in Austin. The State of Texas evicted and then razed a low-income neighborhood in order to build it there. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 13, 2024 15:58:23 GMT -8
Two thoughts, mostly irrelevant. The first is North Texas would have to change their name. We can't take directional schools unless it is the name of the state. North Carolina is ok. North Texas is not. Also, if your state name starts with West, we treat that as a directional name. Second, if the Nevada board of regents really wants the two University of Nevada's included, maybe the PAC would look at one share divided between them.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 15:59:13 GMT -8
Yeah as now said ad nauseum, I don't think we can literally get UNLV without UNR due to the political situation in Nevada. Not impossible I guess, but a lot more tricky. Things could change over the months. Don't know how many bargaining chips we hold right now. I think we get to 8 to 10 schools, then let the dust settle for a bit, and maybe expand again a bit later. The powers that be in Nevada may decide want to get 1 school in, rather than 0, if there's a "final" expansion push. I think if we do well, and we get some solid teams, like a good pair of Texas teams and something like a Memphis and a Tulane and we are at 10, then maybe we are okay and take them both to round out at 12. Maybe. I don't know how hard we draw the line. I know we are valuing the regional aspect and Barnes has said that. If we are grabbing teams that sort of naturally pair up, it would work. A Nevada isn't the worst... it is just that there are a lot that are better, and that is the issue. |
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Post by darthbeavs on Sept 13, 2024 16:16:45 GMT -8
Pfffttt HAHAHAHAHA ... it's the USA Today! He has this perspective on what he considers lower tier FB conferences ... because the USA Today is the very definition of lower tier in sports reporting! Thanks for effort, sport, you typed a lot of letters in that article. None of the prognosticators (in particular the naysayers) have a lick of an idea what kind of $ the new Pac-12 will get when the dust settles, and a new deal is signed in a couple years. Me wonders if there be crow to be eaten when that time comes, will they remember what they've said and have some mouthfuls? They may be right, but I have this itching feeling it'll be in the $15-$20M/team range. See, I can do what that guy did  |
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Post by grayman on Sept 13, 2024 16:21:44 GMT -8
Two thoughts, mostly irrelevant. The first is North Texas would have to change their name. We can't take directional schools unless it is the name of the state. North Carolina is ok. North Texas is not. Also, if your state name starts with West, we treat that as a directional name. Second, if the Nevada board of regents really wants the two University of Nevada's included, maybe the PAC would look at one share divided between them. But but, it's the Mean Green! Think of Scrappy the Eagle! Actually, Mean Green is an awesome nickname. It must be considered! |
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 13, 2024 17:09:32 GMT -8
Two thoughts, mostly irrelevant. The first is North Texas would have to change their name. We can't take directional schools unless it is the name of the state. North Carolina is ok. North Texas is not. Also, if your state name starts with West, we treat that as a directional name. Second, if the Nevada board of regents really wants the two University of Nevada's included, maybe the PAC would look at one share divided between them. But but, it's the Mean Green! Think of Scrappy the Eagle! Actually, Mean Green is an awesome nickname. It must be considered! I'd still take Northwestern. And if they begged a lot, Southern Cal. But not North or South Dakota. Possibly Northern Illinois if they keep knowing off pretender P4 teams up for a few years. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 13, 2024 18:21:18 GMT -8
Here's a breakdown by Nicole Auerbach of the financial boon for the MWC in this whole thing. It's interesting to note that had the Pac-12 chosen to do a reverse merger with the MWC, it would not have had to pay a dime.
"Each Mountain West school is required to pay a $17 million exit fee when leaving the conference at least one calendar year past the notice of withdrawal. So, that’s $68 million total.
- The Pac-12 additionally owes the Mountain West approximately $43 million for adding four schools from its conference. When the two leagues signed a one-year football scheduling agreement (for fall 2024), there were special provisions included that spelled out fees were the Pac-12 to poach Mountain West members. There would have been no fee if the Pac-12 absorbed the entire league in a reverse-merger, but everything else had a price tag."
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 13, 2024 18:28:39 GMT -8
The jump from FBS? You meant to say FCS, right? Texas State is already FBS so there's no "jump" involved moving to P12. They competed very well with ASU and the talking heads on that the game said they were one of the top 5 G5 teams in the country. Boise, Texas St. and other one that I can't remember.EWU. ROFLMAO |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 18:49:11 GMT -8
Here's a breakdown by Nicole Auerbach of the financial boon for the MWC in this whole thing. It's interesting to note that had the Pac-12 chosen to do a reverse merger with the MWC, it would not have had to pay a dime. "Each Mountain West school is required to pay a $17 million exit fee when leaving the conference at least one calendar year past the notice of withdrawal. So, that’s $68 million total. - The Pac-12 additionally owes the Mountain West approximately $43 million for adding four schools from its conference. When the two leagues signed a one-year football scheduling agreement (for fall 2024), there were special provisions included that spelled out fees were the Pac-12 to poach Mountain West members. There would have been no fee if the Pac-12 absorbed the entire league in a reverse-merger, but everything else had a price tag." So we make a move on the 4 schools we want from MW. We pay $100 mill essentially. So that tells us there's something in the works to attain "better" schools to get to at least the 8 needed. At the same time, we assume there is a media deal being cooked up for a reborn Pac whatever......also speculation that lawsuit goes to trial delaying any more big conference shakeups probly had something to do with this move, based on timeline of us needing to come up with a conference. Is that about where we think we are? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2024 19:03:22 GMT -8
Things could change over the months. Don't know how many bargaining chips we hold right now. I think we get to 8 to 10 schools, then let the dust settle for a bit, and maybe expand again a bit later. The powers that be in Nevada may decide want to get 1 school in, rather than 0, if there's a "final" expansion push. I think if we do well, and we get some solid teams, like a good pair of Texas teams and something like a Memphis and a Tulane and we are at 10, then maybe we are okay and take them both to round out at 12. Maybe. I don't know how hard we draw the line. I know we are valuing the regional aspect and Barnes has said that. If we are grabbing teams that sort of naturally pair up, it would work. A Nevada isn't the worst... it is just that there are a lot that are better, and that is the issue. Why does everyone keep bringing up Tulane? Yes, they are in New Orleans, but nobody in that state gives a s%#t about anyone not named LSU. They’ve been ranked and haven’t been even able to get their stadium half full. No thanks. I’d rather take Eastern Washington 😁 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 13, 2024 19:32:32 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW.
I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference.
So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period.
I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins.
Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2024 19:35:04 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. I’m a big fan of Texas twins, but that’s just me. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 13, 2024 19:40:35 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. I’m a big fan of Texas twins, but that’s just me. I guess I can live with them if that's what the conference decides. I just don't see upside in adding two directional schools from a worse conference than the MWC; UNLV proved its worth tonight. Maybe it's just because I freaking despise all things Texas, except maybe Willie Nelson and Beto. |
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