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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2024 19:43:04 GMT -8
I’m a big fan of Texas twins, but that’s just me. I guess I can live with them if that's what the conference decides. I just don't see upside in adding two directional schools from a worse conference than the MWC; UNLV proved its worth tonight. Maybe it's just because I freaking despise all things Texas, except maybe Willie Nelson and Beto. Whoosh! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 13, 2024 19:48:08 GMT -8
I guess I can live with them if that's what the conference decides. I just don't see upside in adding two directional schools from a worse conference than the MWC; UNLV proved its worth tonight. Maybe it's just because I freaking despise all things Texas, except maybe Willie Nelson and Beto. Whoosh! Probably, I'm an old guy. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2024 20:31:49 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. The original Pac 12 just went to s#it in a year without a Texas presence. A nice regional conference would be just dandy, but will it survive? |
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Post by grayman on Sept 13, 2024 20:36:30 GMT -8
I would be fine with UNLV but I think the whole Nevada tag along thing is too much of a sticking point.
I'm hoping for maybe Memphis and Tulane before any of the Texas schools.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 21:16:36 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. Well... my man... the OG Pac-12 had LA, the Bay Area, Portland, Seattle, SLC, Phoenix. and Denver. Yeah. we really DIDN'T need Texas. The current Pac-12, uh. doesn't have any of that. It has half of Portland. Half of Seattle. little bit of Boise/Spokane. It has tepid interest in populated areas in San Diego and the Central California valley. We have partial hold of Denver Metro. We really do need schools that have footholds in places that we can get interest. There isn't a lot left on the west coast that is big enough, of a large enough stature in size and academics that can join up. For real. We already have the best of the MWC outside of UNLV, and there is a real solid chance we end up with them in the end. We pretty much are done with the west coast. it just is what it is. Texas is such stupid good football recruiting too. Every school in our conference is going to want an opportunity to have a game out there very once in a while. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 21:20:29 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. This is kinda where I'm at. I want a regional conference. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 13, 2024 21:43:25 GMT -8
I guess I can live with them if that's what the conference decides. I just don't see upside in adding two directional schools from a worse conference than the MWC; UNLV proved its worth tonight. Maybe it's just because I freaking despise all things Texas, except maybe Willie Nelson and Beto. Whoosh! I was going to say, not the "twins" I thought you meant! 🤣 |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 14, 2024 6:26:23 GMT -8
Hearing somewhere between $10-15 million per team in the new rights deal. Double the current MWC contract and an increase for us as well; anyplace north of $12 million would be a good score, plus the money the network is generating by being the producer for all things CW. I do not want our conference footprint expanding out of MST or PDT. There is no one available in Texas worthy of a 3.5-hour plane flight. We are a western conference. So what if we become 7 MWC + 2 Pac-2. No one outside of San Marcos or a five-square mile area of San Antonio cares about Texas State or UTSA. Texas belongs to UT and TAMU. Period. I realize other's mileage may vary. But our schools have something in common with UNLV, Wyoming, USU, even AFA and Nevada or the freaking train wreck that is Hawaii. We have nothing in common with Memphis, Tulane or the Texas twins. Funny how the original Pac-12 could prosper without a Texas presence, but the new Pac-12 supposedly can't prosper without one. This is kinda where I'm at. I want a regional conference. Well think of it this way... if we make it two divisions (and I'm using those as somewhat artificial constructs) you do have regionality. You have a division that you bond with, play against primarily, etc. And then twice a year you fly out to play someone in the sister division. You're going to have to fly out anyhow to find opponents, but at least there is some good old fashioned friendly competition in this. The side benefit is that A) you might get something like a conference championship that pits your division against theirs (and in some years that might be all you get if the CFP decide to be petty) and B) You all benefit from the increased exposure and some more $$$ to fund your other sports. If you have "just the West", yes it makes travel a tiny bit easier, but you also back yourself into a corner a little bit. What if BSU gets really good again and they or WSU get a B12 invite and take it??? Now you are looking back at Sac State or San Jose and your conference has moved backwards a little. You don't have to be all states inclusive but maybe a couple of regions isn't a bad thing, with some artificial separation. But then again, what do I know  |
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Post by ftd on Sept 14, 2024 7:34:19 GMT -8
Success vs failure of the New Pac 12 is dependent on getting P5 status. We are back with it....just another MWC without it. Spending a lot of money so let's see if the money talks and we get P5
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2024 8:14:02 GMT -8
This is kinda where I'm at. I want a regional conference. Well think of it this way... if we make it two divisions (and I'm using those as somewhat artificial constructs) you do have regionality. You have a division that you bond with, play against primarily, etc. And then twice a year you fly out to play someone in the sister division. You're going to have to fly out anyhow to find opponents, but at least there is some good old fashioned friendly competition in this. The side benefit is that A) you might get something like a conference championship that pits your division against theirs (and in some years that might be all you get if the CFP decide to be petty) and B) You all benefit from the increased exposure and some more $$$ to fund your other sports. If you have "just the West", yes it makes travel a tiny bit easier, but you also back yourself into a corner a little bit. What if BSU gets really good again and they or WSU get a B12 invite and take it??? Now you are looking back at Sac State or San Jose and your conference has moved backwards a little. You don't have to be all states inclusive but maybe a couple of regions isn't a bad thing, with some artificial separation. But then again, what do I know I'm right there with you on this idea. Get the western group to 7 teams and that's six league games without going across the country for everyone. Get the eastern group to 7 teams and that's 6 league games without cross country travel for them as well. At which point, each team plays 2 cross-divisional games (1 cross division road trip and one at home) to get to 8 league games, allowing everyone to schedule 4 OOC games to complete a 12 game season schedule. That's not a load of extra travel for anyone, and would allow for a conference championship game (athhough the tie-breakers could be hell). It'd take 3-4 years for everybody to play every team in the other division, and twice that to visit each school. As a fan entering retirement, I could see making 1 long trip a year to a cross-divisional game, and that should give me 2 to three rounds to each city before I'm old enough to be disinterested in travel. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 14, 2024 8:15:10 GMT -8
Well think of it this way... if we make it two divisions (and I'm using those as somewhat artificial constructs) you do have regionality. You have a division that you bond with, play against primarily, etc. And then twice a year you fly out to play someone in the sister division. You're going to have to fly out anyhow to find opponents, but at least there is some good old fashioned friendly competition in this. The side benefit is that A) you might get something like a conference championship that pits your division against theirs (and in some years that might be all you get if the CFP decide to be petty) and B) You all benefit from the increased exposure and some more $$$ to fund your other sports. If you have "just the West", yes it makes travel a tiny bit easier, but you also back yourself into a corner a little bit. What if BSU gets really good again and they or WSU get a B12 invite and take it??? Now you are looking back at Sac State or San Jose and your conference has moved backwards a little. You don't have to be all states inclusive but maybe a couple of regions isn't a bad thing, with some artificial separation. But then again, what do I know I'm right there with you on this idea. Get the western group to 7 teams and that's six league games without going across the country for everyone. Get the eastern group to 7 teams and that's 6 league games without cross country travel for them as well. At which point, each team plays 2 cross-divisional games (1 cross division road trip and one at home) to get to 8 league games, allowing everyone to schedule 4 OOC games to complete a 12 game season schedule. That's not a load of extra travel for anyone, and would allow for a conference championship game (athhough the tie-breakers could be hell). what about other sports? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2024 8:28:24 GMT -8
I'm right there with you on this idea. Get the western group to 7 teams and that's six league games without going across the country for everyone. Get the eastern group to 7 teams and that's 6 league games without cross country travel for them as well. At which point, each team plays 2 cross-divisional games (1 cross division road trip and one at home) to get to 8 league games, allowing everyone to schedule 4 OOC games to complete a 12 game season schedule. That's not a load of extra travel for anyone, and would allow for a conference championship game (athhough the tie-breakers could be hell). what about other sports? Same deal, twice a year for the sports that play each other twice a year I guess. It's still not much of a travel increase compared to if the league were 8-10 teams spread out all over the country. Keeping regionality helps keep the travel down. Being in 4 timezones greatly increases eyeballs. You would have fans of the schools in Texas/Tennessee/Louisiana/Florida/east in general however it works out, watching the western schools twice a season at least - that's a bunch of exposure they/we probably otherwise wouldn't get - I can't tell you how long it's been since I watched an entire AAC game, much less two in 1 season. It'd also help sports like baseball to fill in a league schedule since a couple of the new teams don't have baseball teams. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 14, 2024 8:31:06 GMT -8
I'm right there with you on this idea. Get the western group to 7 teams and that's six league games without going across the country for everyone. Get the eastern group to 7 teams and that's 6 league games without cross country travel for them as well. At which point, each team plays 2 cross-divisional games (1 cross division road trip and one at home) to get to 8 league games, allowing everyone to schedule 4 OOC games to complete a 12 game season schedule. That's not a load of extra travel for anyone, and would allow for a conference championship game (athhough the tie-breakers could be hell). what about other sports? Remember, other sports dont matter in these decisions. |
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 14, 2024 8:35:00 GMT -8
Success vs failure of the New Pac 12 is dependent on getting P5 status. We are back with it....just another MWC without it. Spending a lot of money so let's see if the money talks and we get P5 Bingo. This is everything. I am hoping that we've already perused all the contracts and bylaws, and concluded that if we get back to 8 teams, then we should be entitled to have our P5 status automatically reinstated. And if it's not, then we're prepping to enforce this in the courtroom. I don't think spending $100 mil+ makes sense if we don't already think we have a good path back to P5 status. I am hoping this is the endgame. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 8:55:52 GMT -8
Success vs failure of the New Pac 12 is dependent on getting P5 status. We are back with it....just another MWC without it. Spending a lot of money so let's see if the money talks and we get P5 Bingo. This is everything. I am hoping that we've already perused all the contracts and bylaws, and concluded that if we get back to 8 teams, then we should be entitled to have our P5 status automatically reinstated. And if it's not, then we're prepping to enforce this in the courtroom. I don't think spending $100 mil+ makes sense if we don't already think we have a good path back to P5 status. I am hoping this is the endgame. I've wanted three things for OSU. The first is a regional conference. It could be bigger but at least have a PST and MST division. The second is P5 status. Without that, maybe a simple reverse merger would have been the best play. Third, a good dollar amount for a TV contract. How do you define good? I've read on our wonderfully informative BH, that we are looking at $10M to $15M. I was and am hoping for at least $20M. You need money to create a decent payroll (seems weird saying that). Without pay for play dollars, competing is more difficult and a team/conference is more likely "group" than "power." |
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