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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 10, 2024 17:24:09 GMT -8
My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude. FFS you make sh&t up when your clearly wrong. Your words weren't twisted. Demagoguery has a definition. Context clues don't change that. My post didn't quote Wilky... it quoted your fandom being "warranted" demagoguery. So again you change a goal post. Pretty simple, demagoguery as per the "twisted" English version isn't Fandom. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Or does your boring governmental writing also offer further excuses to create your own definitions. Here's a simple primer of both: - fandom is a subculture composed of fans characterized by a feeling of camaraderie with others who share a common interest. Fans typically are interested in even minor details of the objects of their fandom and spend a significant portion of their time and energy involved with their interest, often as a part of a social network with particular practices, differentiating fandom-affiliated people from those with only a casual interest. Demagoguery is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach — often associated with dictators and sleazy politicians — that appeals to the worst nature of people. Demagoguery isn't based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing; it's based on stirring up fear and hatred to control people. For example, a politician who stirs up a fear of immigrants to distract from other issues is using demagoguery. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of politics, but it's also one that's all too common. Lol... which context clues so change these typical definitions to somehow show they are related let alone there is "warranted" & "unwarranted" versions that make one a positive approach? Can't wait for the next widening or move of this goal post. Nope. You win. You are better and smarter.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 10, 2024 17:28:28 GMT -8
FFS you make sh&t up when your clearly wrong. Your words weren't twisted. Demagoguery has a definition. Context clues don't change that. My post didn't quote Wilky... it quoted your fandom being "warranted" demagoguery. So again you change a goal post. Pretty simple, demagoguery as per the "twisted" English version isn't Fandom. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Or does your boring governmental writing also offer further excuses to create your own definitions. Here's a simple primer of both: - fandom is a subculture composed of fans characterized by a feeling of camaraderie with others who share a common interest. Fans typically are interested in even minor details of the objects of their fandom and spend a significant portion of their time and energy involved with their interest, often as a part of a social network with particular practices, differentiating fandom-affiliated people from those with only a casual interest. Demagoguery is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach — often associated with dictators and sleazy politicians — that appeals to the worst nature of people. Demagoguery isn't based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing; it's based on stirring up fear and hatred to control people. For example, a politician who stirs up a fear of immigrants to distract from other issues is using demagoguery. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of politics, but it's also one that's all too common. Lol... which context clues so change these typical definitions to somehow show they are related let alone there is "warranted" & "unwarranted" versions that make one a positive approach? Can't wait for the next widening or move of this goal post. Nope. You win. You are better and smarter. That’s because he wears a tin foil skullcap.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 10, 2024 19:35:51 GMT -8
Wow this is worse than the star trek rail jumping. Wasn’t Star Wars?….if you’re wrong, the nerd police here will come to your house. That was intentional on my part. Plus the nerd police are unlikely to police their own lol
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 10, 2024 20:18:40 GMT -8
Everyone who transfered had cooties and weren't welcome. That's it, yeah.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 11, 2024 2:08:18 GMT -8
I'll argue this point in that you must not know the actual meaning of demagoguery?? And, wanting your definition to stick doesn't change the actual meaning. Conflating it and fandom maybe who you are and think all fans are, but I believe most are not. Fans certainly can have high emotions, but most also deal in reality. And, most don't blindly follow their prejudices and have open discourse on both positives and negatives because they do not. Fandom in and of itself in no way implies you also have to be a practitioner of manipulative approaches. Those ideals that are NOT based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of a political system/politics in general. Being a fan doesn't "warrant" the practice or make it "good". My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude. If someone here is the leader of a cult please let me know; the more interesting the better
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 11, 2024 7:33:50 GMT -8
My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude. If someone here is the leader of a cult please let me know; the more interesting the better What's your personal policy on high stakes math contests over reptile mud pits? Only 50% of applicants called to worship are accepted.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 11, 2024 9:20:52 GMT -8
If someone here is the leader of a cult please let me know; the more interesting the better What's your personal policy on high stakes math contests over reptile mud pits? Only 50% of applicants called to worship are accepted. You had me at reptile mud pits but lost me at math; it was my understanding there would be no math
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 11:55:38 GMT -8
What's your personal policy on high stakes math contests over reptile mud pits? Only 50% of applicants called to worship are accepted. You had me at reptile mud pits but lost me at math; it was my understanding there would be no math
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 11:59:21 GMT -8
My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude. If someone here is the leader of a cult please let me know; the more interesting the better
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 11, 2024 12:40:16 GMT -8
This board is legendary for how far threads stray from the original threadline. If we could measure how far by physical distance, how many miles between "OFFICIAL Game Thread: Beavs @ SDSU" and where it's ended up: French and Greek roots of demagoguery?
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 11, 2024 13:23:54 GMT -8
This board is legendary for how far threads stray from the original threadline. If we could measure how far by physical distance, how many miles between "OFFICIAL Game Thread: Beavs @ SDSU" and where it's ended up: French and Greek roots of demagoguery? It's roughly 5 parsecs. (trying to reel in the Star Wars/Trek nerds with that one)
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 11, 2024 13:35:16 GMT -8
This board is legendary for how far threads stray from the original threadline. If we could measure how far by physical distance, how many miles between "OFFICIAL Game Thread: Beavs @ SDSU" and where it's ended up: French and Greek roots of demagoguery? It's roughly 5 parsecs. (trying to reel in the Star Wars/Trek nerds with that one) At least you can use a Parsec right, unlike George Lucas...
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 11, 2024 16:42:44 GMT -8
If someone here is the leader of a cult please let me know; the more interesting the better Of course not . . . wink wink
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 22:04:33 GMT -8
This board is legendary for how far threads stray from the original threadline. If we could measure how far by physical distance, how many miles between "OFFICIAL Game Thread: Beavs @ SDSU" and where it's ended up: French and Greek roots of demagoguery? It's roughly 5 parsecs. (trying to reel in the Star Wars/Trek nerds with that one) Wrong number of parsecs.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2024 22:08:06 GMT -8
Of course not . . . wink wink
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