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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 9, 2024 17:34:40 GMT -8
Only one returning starter on defense in 2024, Tupu Alualu, the defensive tackle. Zyrus Fiaseu transferred to Arizona State. Dez Malone transferred to Oklahoma. Davaughn Celestine transferred to SMU. Cooper McDonald transferred to TCU. Marcus Ratcliffe transferred to Texas A&M. Brady Hoke retired last year. Sean Lewis, Colorado's OC/QB coach replaced him. Eric Schmidt (Washington's special teams coordinator/EDGE coach) replaced Kurt Mattix as DC. San Diego State changed defenses from a base 3-3-5 to a 4-2-5. Similar uniforms to last year but little else was the same. The same could be said for the Beavers offense. Absolutely, brother. One returning starter on Oregon State's offense. One returning starter on San Diego State's defense.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 9, 2024 17:44:07 GMT -8
“I personally object to unwarranted demagoguery..” As opposed to valid and justified demagoguery. I wish that you and atownbeaver had read each other's post before posting. I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated in ATown's post. I am opposed to unwarranted demagoguery. I included the word "unwarranted" to specifically differentiate it from all demagoguery. It is kind of humorous to me that both you and ATown basically disprove the point made in the other's post. I.e. I said "unwarranted" demagoguery, which you caught an ATown did not. And I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated by ATown, which is why I included the word "unwarranted." I will stand by my post. Not sure what any of 👆means but GO BEAVS.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 9, 2024 18:14:42 GMT -8
“I personally object to unwarranted demagoguery..” As opposed to valid and justified demagoguery. I wish that you and atownbeaver had read each other's post before posting. I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated in ATown's post. I am opposed to unwarranted demagoguery. I included the word "unwarranted" to specifically differentiate it from all demagoguery. It is kind of humorous to me that both you and ATown basically disprove the point made in the other's post. I.e. I said "unwarranted" demagoguery, which you caught an ATown did not. And I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated by ATown, which is why I included the word "unwarranted." I will stand by my post. Like Lincoln’s Gettysburg adresss, posters should always strive to keep their syllable count down. ‘Unwarranted demagoguery’ are 2 words with WAY too many syllables for a sports message board.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 9, 2024 18:49:54 GMT -8
I haven't been able to find the highlight of the TD pass. Anyone know where to find it? Thanks
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 9, 2024 20:30:53 GMT -8
Stop with the big words fellas, this is a football message board and I’m too lazy look that s%#t up.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 10, 2024 8:02:09 GMT -8
I wish that you and atownbeaver had read each other's post before posting. I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated in ATown's post. I am opposed to unwarranted demagoguery. I included the word "unwarranted" to specifically differentiate it from all demagoguery. It is kind of humorous to me that both you and ATown basically disprove the point made in the other's post. I.e. I said "unwarranted" demagoguery, which you caught an ATown did not. And I am not opposed to all demagoguery for the reasons stated by ATown, which is why I included the word "unwarranted." I will stand by my post. Not sure what any of 👆means but GO BEAVS. Go Beavs is what exactly Wilky means. Fandom is warranted Demagoguery. it is the actual and literal point of it. We are suppose to blindly appeal to our emotions and put on our orange colored glasses. we are fans. that is the point here. Unwarranted, or "bad" demagoguery is when it enters our political discourse or other elements of our life, such as when we support our leaders like sports teams or make our life decisions based on prejudices, biases, or our lizard brains. Or, when you are a certain Anderpants coach of the past and all you can do is coach in cliche like "put on your big boy pants" and appeal to the be tough mindset. He had ALOT of supporters with his talk for an uncomfortably long amount of time despite how poor his results were. Demagoguery is nothing if not effective. Humans are kinda dumb. We have emotions and stuff. I think the point I was more trying to get at was it is awfully convenient to be the one to choose what is or is not warranted demagoguery when it fits your argument.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 10, 2024 11:25:30 GMT -8
Not sure what any of 👆means but GO BEAVS. Go Beavs is what exactly Wilky means. Fandom is warranted Demagoguery. it is the actual and literal point of it. We are suppose to blindly appeal to our emotions and put on our orange colored glasses. we are fans. that is the point here. Unwarranted, or "bad" demagoguery is when it enters our political discourse or other elements of our life, such as when we support our leaders like sports teams or make our life decisions based on prejudices, biases, or our lizard brains. Or, when you are a certain Anderpants coach of the past and all you can do is coach in cliche like "put on your big boy pants" and appeal to the be tough mindset. He had ALOT of supporters with his talk for an uncomfortably long amount of time despite how poor his results were. Demagoguery is nothing if not effective. Humans are kinda dumb. We have emotions and stuff. I think the point I was more trying to get at was it is awfully convenient to be the one to choose what is or is not warranted demagoguery when it fits your argument. I'll argue this point in that you must not know the actual meaning of demagoguery?? And, wanting your definition to stick doesn't change the actual meaning. Conflating it and fandom maybe who you are and think all fans are, but I believe most are not. Fans certainly can have high emotions, but most also deal in reality. And, most don't blindly follow their prejudices and have open discourse on both positives and negatives because they do not. Fandom in and of itself in no way implies you also have to be a practitioner of manipulative approaches. Those ideals that are NOT based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of a political system/politics in general. Being a fan doesn't "warrant" the practice or make it "good".
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Post by obf on Sept 10, 2024 11:25:47 GMT -8
I haven't been able to find the highlight of the TD pass. Anyone know where to find it? Thanks
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 10, 2024 14:14:03 GMT -8
Go Beavs is what exactly Wilky means. Fandom is warranted Demagoguery. it is the actual and literal point of it. We are suppose to blindly appeal to our emotions and put on our orange colored glasses. we are fans. that is the point here. Unwarranted, or "bad" demagoguery is when it enters our political discourse or other elements of our life, such as when we support our leaders like sports teams or make our life decisions based on prejudices, biases, or our lizard brains. Or, when you are a certain Anderpants coach of the past and all you can do is coach in cliche like "put on your big boy pants" and appeal to the be tough mindset. He had ALOT of supporters with his talk for an uncomfortably long amount of time despite how poor his results were. Demagoguery is nothing if not effective. Humans are kinda dumb. We have emotions and stuff. I think the point I was more trying to get at was it is awfully convenient to be the one to choose what is or is not warranted demagoguery when it fits your argument. I'll argue this point in that you must not know the actual meaning of demagoguery?? And, wanting your definition to stick doesn't change the actual meaning. Conflating it and fandom maybe who you are and think all fans are, but I believe most are not. Fans certainly can have high emotions, but most also deal in reality. And, most don't blindly follow their prejudices and have open discourse on both positives and negatives because they do not. Fandom in and of itself in no way implies you also have to be a practitioner of manipulative approaches. Those ideals that are NOT based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of a political system/politics in general. Being a fan doesn't "warrant" the practice or make it "good". Demagogue is from the French, démagogue. It is the French version of δημαγωγός (dēmagōgós). δημαγωγός is the combination of two words, δῆμος (dêmos, “people”) and ἀγωγός (agōgós, “guide”). It should be noted that δῆμος is also the prefix to the word, δημοκρατία (dēmokratia, "democracy"). The Greek word, dēmagōgós, was viewed as a good thing. The people need leaders that can explain things to them and, in turn, make sure that they do what is right, despite the people's occasionally incorrect judgment, e.g., demands to do something that is good in the near-term but potentially ruinous in the long-term. The word was corrupted in English to something that is generally viewed as a bad thing, but I tend to agree with the originally generally positive Greek view of the word. There is certainly bad demagoguery. But there is also good demagoguery. I would tend to agree that it would be great, if the populace was so well-informed that we did not need demagoguery. Something to shoot for to be sure. But most people do not have the time and ability to not demagogue someone in at least one facet of their life. You demagogue politicians. You demagogue the media. You demagogue people in fields you do not have know enough about. I tend to agree with you, though, that it should generally be avoided, if you have the time and energy to avoid it. Having said all of that.............. Go Beavs!
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 10, 2024 15:49:07 GMT -8
Go Beavs is what exactly Wilky means. Fandom is warranted Demagoguery. it is the actual and literal point of it. We are suppose to blindly appeal to our emotions and put on our orange colored glasses. we are fans. that is the point here. Unwarranted, or "bad" demagoguery is when it enters our political discourse or other elements of our life, such as when we support our leaders like sports teams or make our life decisions based on prejudices, biases, or our lizard brains. Or, when you are a certain Anderpants coach of the past and all you can do is coach in cliche like "put on your big boy pants" and appeal to the be tough mindset. He had ALOT of supporters with his talk for an uncomfortably long amount of time despite how poor his results were. Demagoguery is nothing if not effective. Humans are kinda dumb. We have emotions and stuff. I think the point I was more trying to get at was it is awfully convenient to be the one to choose what is or is not warranted demagoguery when it fits your argument. I'll argue this point in that you must not know the actual meaning of demagoguery?? And, wanting your definition to stick doesn't change the actual meaning. Conflating it and fandom maybe who you are and think all fans are, but I believe most are not. Fans certainly can have high emotions, but most also deal in reality. And, most don't blindly follow their prejudices and have open discourse on both positives and negatives because they do not. Fandom in and of itself in no way implies you also have to be a practitioner of manipulative approaches. Those ideals that are NOT based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of a political system/politics in general. Being a fan doesn't "warrant" the practice or make it "good". My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 10, 2024 16:13:03 GMT -8
I'll argue this point in that you must not know the actual meaning of demagoguery?? And, wanting your definition to stick doesn't change the actual meaning. Conflating it and fandom maybe who you are and think all fans are, but I believe most are not. Fans certainly can have high emotions, but most also deal in reality. And, most don't blindly follow their prejudices and have open discourse on both positives and negatives because they do not. Fandom in and of itself in no way implies you also have to be a practitioner of manipulative approaches. Those ideals that are NOT based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of a political system/politics in general. Being a fan doesn't "warrant" the practice or make it "good". My brother in Christ, it was quite clear from context clues Wilky was not using a hyper accurate definition of demagoguery in the first place. Surprising from Wilky, I know. He is generally quite pedantic. He was saying (in my interpretation) people were piling on DJU out of emotion and bias due to anger of him leaving. It was not a perfect fit of the term, no. Nobody here is a leader, political, cult, or otherwise (that I know of). The arguments against DJU are not political activity either. To characterize fighting about a QB as demagoguery, is, in fact, technically wrong on basically every level. Yes. In the general sense, demagoguery is rooted in the appeal of emotion, prejudice and bias. Good enough for government work. I think reasonable humans can operate like that, when, again... we are all just shooting the s%#t here. I was only matching Wilky on his terms. His use of the word made enough sense to me to understand what he was getting at. A person make the claim DJU sucks because they are appealing to the anger some fans have that he transferred. It mostly fits but it is controversial and gets people divided. A person makes the claim OSU is the best f%#*ing football team on earth because they are appealing to the fact we are all fans here. It also mostly fits but it is far less controversial and most people say hell yeah! Except that the person isn't a leader and this isn't for political gain is the pedantic details that makes it technically not demagoguery and the person not a demagogue. And again, from context clues, it is clear I am coloring fandom as the favoritism of your team, not the wanton manipulations of people and nations. I am coloring it as, "Yes, I think we will beat the #1 team in the nation tomorrow, when we are 28 point dogs because I have unwavering support..." I am not coloring it as the widespread oppression of an entire population because they look different than us, and I can benefit from that...We don't really need to be twisting my words by orders of magnitude. FFS you make sh&t up when your clearly wrong. Your words weren't twisted. Demagoguery has a definition. Context clues don't change that. My post didn't quote Wilky... it quoted your fandom being "warranted" demagoguery. So again you change a goal post. Pretty simple, demagoguery as per the "twisted" English version isn't Fandom. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Or does your boring governmental writing also offer further excuses to create your own definitions. Here's a simple primer of both: - fandom is a subculture composed of fans characterized by a feeling of camaraderie with others who share a common interest. Fans typically are interested in even minor details of the objects of their fandom and spend a significant portion of their time and energy involved with their interest, often as a part of a social network with particular practices, differentiating fandom-affiliated people from those with only a casual interest. Demagoguery is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach — often associated with dictators and sleazy politicians — that appeals to the worst nature of people. Demagoguery isn't based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing; it's based on stirring up fear and hatred to control people. For example, a politician who stirs up a fear of immigrants to distract from other issues is using demagoguery. Demagoguery is one of the most negative aspects of politics, but it's also one that's all too common. Lol... which context clues so change these typical definitions to somehow show they are related let alone there is "warranted" & "unwarranted" versions that make one a positive approach? Can't wait for the next widening or move of this goal post.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 10, 2024 16:53:15 GMT -8
Take this s%#t to the demagooglly board!
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 10, 2024 16:56:13 GMT -8
Wow this is worse than the star trek rail jumping.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 10, 2024 16:56:56 GMT -8
Take this s%#t to the demagooglly board! Definitely, cuz it's not part of fandom😉
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 10, 2024 16:58:54 GMT -8
Wow this is worse than the star trek rail jumping. Wasn’t Star Wars?….if you’re wrong, the nerd police here will come to your house.
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