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Post by Mike84 on Sept 7, 2024 22:55:42 GMT -8
I was busy watching the game, so I haven't read much of the 24 pages of posts in this thread. So, this has probably been said... I have no idea how many wins the Beavers will have at the end of the year. I don't even know what'll happen next week or the week after. I just know that I'm very, very impressed with the play of this team so far this season. When you have a rookie head coach, a rookie offensive coordinator, a rookie defensive coordinator, a rookie offensive line coach, and big turnover in your roster, along with some change in offensive philosophy, you should not be able to come out and play largely mistake-free football and put together long, time-consuming drives from game one. This really is like a veteran team in that regard. The relatively low number of penalties, especially damaging penalties, is another sign of this. As I said, I'm very impressed. Go Beavs! Keith Heyward was a defensive coordinator at UNLV and a co-defensive coordinator at UO. Kyle DeVan was an offensive line coach at Ball State, Arizona, Colorado and Charlotte. Bray is a rookie head coach and Gundy is a rookie OC. Thanks for the clarifications. I should have been more careful. Still, I am impressed by how well this Beaver team is functioning so early in the season.
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 7, 2024 22:58:34 GMT -8
How were the TV talking heads? I don’t get CBSSN (and WON’T). Thanks I thought they did a good job. They praised both teams but also weren't afraid to hold them responsible for mistakes and poor execution. The color commentator's "keys to the game" turned out to be perfect -- with the Beavers doing all that he asked of them and SDSU doing none of what he asked of them.
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Post by grayman on Sept 7, 2024 22:59:33 GMT -8
Keith Heyward was a defensive coordinator at UNLV and a co-defensive coordinator at UO. Kyle DeVan was an offensive line coach at Ball State, Arizona, Colorado and Charlotte. Bray is a rookie head coach and Gundy is a rookie OC. Thanks for the clarifications. I should have been more careful. Still, I am impressed by how well this Beaver team is functioning so early in the season. I actually edited to add some info that I think goes along with the point you were making: "Bray is a rookie head coach and Gundy is a rookie OC. Keith Heyward was a defensive coordinator at UNLV and a co-defensive coordinator at UO. Kyle DeVan was an offensive line coach at Ball State, Arizona, Colorado and Charlotte. Not to mention Ilaisa Tuiaki was a DC and DL coach for BYU and DL coach for Utah. Rod Chance was cornerbacks coach at Colorado, Oregon at Minnesota and was DC for Southern Utah. Thomas Ford was running backs coach at Idaho and offensive quality control coach at UW. So IMO Bray put together a talented and highly experienced coaching staff. So I think that is really what is going a long way in enabling the team to play like a veteran group as you've pointed out."
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 7, 2024 23:52:20 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarifications. I should have been more careful. Still, I am impressed by how well this Beaver team is functioning so early in the season. I actually edited to add some info that I think goes along with the point you were making: "Bray is a rookie head coach and Gundy is a rookie OC. Keith Heyward was a defensive coordinator at UNLV and a co-defensive coordinator at UO. Kyle DeVan was an offensive line coach at Ball State, Arizona, Colorado and Charlotte. Not to mention Ilaisa Tuiaki was a DC and DL coach for BYU and DL coach for Utah. Rod Chance was cornerbacks coach at Colorado, Oregon at Minnesota and was DC for Southern Utah. Thomas Ford was running backs coach at Idaho and offensive quality control coach at UW. So IMO Bray put together a talented and highly experienced coaching staff. So I think that is really what is going a long way in enabling the team to play like a veteran group as you've pointed out." But... if you look at the staff it's fairly obvious the more experienced have their side of the ball playing better. Of course overall, folks will say it's easier to get a defense playing well. So far it feels like we're more talented on the offense than we've shown. Or been allowed to show?! Let the ponies out of the stable...
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Post by wetrodentia on Sept 8, 2024 6:08:48 GMT -8
Hot take, and unpopular opinion alert. White football uniforms always look like trash, except in sunny day games. The true white looked like hot garbage under the lights. Opinions vary. They reminded me of the cream unis in baseball so I liked them.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 8, 2024 7:33:41 GMT -8
Wilky you are the guy who answers those questions, you can't ask them. I would posit that it has never happened. Oregon and Oregon State entered the 1933 Civil War undefeated. Oregon was 7-0, and Oregon State was 5-0-2. 1910 was kind of similar. Oregon was 3-0, and Oregon State was 3-0-1. There was a big brawl after that game, and Oregon and Oregon State suspended the rivalry in all sports until 1912. 1907 was the last time that both Oregon and Oregon State were both unbeaten and untied. Both teams were 3-0. Oregon State won 4-0 (field goals worth four points at the time). The Beavs finished 1907 unbeaten, untied, and unscored upon. Oregon State finished the season by beating St. Vincent's (now Loyola Marymount) 10-0. St. Vincent's were the champions of California and had defeated the Rocky Mountain Champions, Denver and Utah. With the win, the Beavs were dubbed Champions of the West Coast. Sounds right nice research. Minor historical correction, it was OAC until 1937 and OSC until 1961.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 8, 2024 7:37:43 GMT -8
decisions can lead to remorseful outcomes. That is probably Bolden’s mindset tonight. Maybe he should've talked to Jam. "The grass isn't always greener." I'm hoping he takes a redshirt and comes back to the Corvallis Pastures that love him.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 8, 2024 7:39:44 GMT -8
How were the TV talking heads? I don’t get CBSSN (and WON’T). Thanks Solid. Much better than we usually get. Talking points were actually pertinent to the game. Only verbal snafu I heard was DJ Ukulele
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 8, 2024 8:35:06 GMT -8
A ukulele QB is football's equivalent to a banjo hitter.
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 8, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -8
No, the goal is to be 2-0. The philosophy can be adjusted to become more effective. More effective than 2-0 is what? Although some apparently think you're just being obstinate or obtuse with your "the philosophy is to be 2-0" stance, I do see what you're saying, and I agree. After the Idaho State game, where OSU ran the ball so, so much, Gunderson said this: "It turned into a game that we didn't necessarily expect. But if it's not broke, don't fiddle with it. We didn't and it worked." As Daschel said, Gunderson's approach is game-by-game. Idaho State did not require the Beavers to stick to some pre-determined "philosophy". Winning is what matters, and I very much appreciate a coach that prioritizes that over sticking to some identity he is trying to force on the team. Gunderson seems to be one of the best at not letting his ego get in the way, and letting the game decide what plays to run and what to emphasize. Against SDSU, if we were heavy with runs between the tackles (which was most certainly not all that we did), did it matter? If the QB seemed to be focused on one receiver, who was continually open and continually making the plays (except one), did it matter? It was working. There was no reason and no need to try to do more just to do more. Gunderson, of course, understands that things will get tougher and that we will need to adjust, as necessary. He also said, after the Idaho State game: "It's going to get tougher. So we need to keep improving and be process-oriented." I'd say our offense looked just exactly enough different from game 1 to game 2, with the understanding that we are always going to rely on the run game. I have no doubt that there are things we haven't seen yet and I'm just as confident that Gunderson isn't going to use them just to show that we can do them. It's possible our offense could really struggle in the next game, but there's nothing I've seen so far that tells me it will be because we're incapable of adapting or trying to do too much.
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Post by wetrodentia on Sept 8, 2024 10:49:03 GMT -8
How were the TV talking heads? I don’t get CBSSN (and WON’T). Thanks Solid. Much better than we usually get. Talking points were actually pertinent to the game. Only verbal snafu I heard was DJ Ukulele One of them mentioned we’d “already played four running backs” in the first half. Was there a fourth? Didn’t notice one.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 8, 2024 10:54:42 GMT -8
Solid. Much better than we usually get. Talking points were actually pertinent to the game. Only verbal snafu I heard was DJ Ukulele One of them mentioned we’d “already played four running backs” in the first half. Was there a fourth? Didn’t notice one. Allah and Reichle both played and had carries
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Post by schissler on Sept 8, 2024 11:33:48 GMT -8
Oregon and Oregon State entered the 1933 Civil War undefeated. Oregon was 7-0, and Oregon State was 5-0-2. 1910 was kind of similar. Oregon was 3-0, and Oregon State was 3-0-1. There was a big brawl after that game, and Oregon and Oregon State suspended the rivalry in all sports until 1912. 1907 was the last time that both Oregon and Oregon State were both unbeaten and untied. Both teams were 3-0. Oregon State won 4-0 (field goals worth four points at the time). The Beavs finished 1907 unbeaten, untied, and unscored upon. Oregon State finished the season by beating St. Vincent's (now Loyola Marymount) 10-0. St. Vincent's were the champions of California and had defeated the Rocky Mountain Champions, Denver and Utah. With the win, the Beavs were dubbed Champions of the West Coast. Sounds right nice research. Minor historical correction, it was OAC until 1937 and OSC until 1961. There was an intermediate step in there: from 1927 to 1937 the name was Oregon State Agricultural College and it was during that period the school began being referred to as Oregon State. When OSAC played New York University at Yankee Stadium in 1928 the program cover billed the game as N.Y.U. vs. Oregon State.
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Post by grayman on Sept 8, 2024 11:59:48 GMT -8
I actually edited to add some info that I think goes along with the point you were making: "Bray is a rookie head coach and Gundy is a rookie OC. Keith Heyward was a defensive coordinator at UNLV and a co-defensive coordinator at UO. Kyle DeVan was an offensive line coach at Ball State, Arizona, Colorado and Charlotte. Not to mention Ilaisa Tuiaki was a DC and DL coach for BYU and DL coach for Utah. Rod Chance was cornerbacks coach at Colorado, Oregon at Minnesota and was DC for Southern Utah. Thomas Ford was running backs coach at Idaho and offensive quality control coach at UW. So IMO Bray put together a talented and highly experienced coaching staff. So I think that is really what is going a long way in enabling the team to play like a veteran group as you've pointed out." But... if you look at the staff it's fairly obvious the more experienced have their side of the ball playing better. Of course overall, folks will say it's easier to get a defense playing well. So far it feels like we're more talented on the offense than we've shown. Or been allowed to show?! Let the ponies out of the stable... And that's the rub. The only ponies out of the stable have been running backs. OSU has run the ball 109 times in two games. McCoy looks pretty good in the pass game but OSU has thrown 41 times in the two games. There's been few (3-4) attempts at stretching the field. Most passes have been relatively short routes. It's almost like they've overcorrected after taking a fair amount of shots down the field in previous seasons. Either way, basically three WRs have been in the mix for OSU. I know Clemons should change that once he's able to play. But maybe try a deep shot to Card once in awhile. Maybe get Caulfield/other TEs more involved in the pass game. Maybe try to get Allah in space with a couple passes. I'm not saying they need to step away from a physical, run oriented identity. But I just think you're leaving a lot on the cutting room floor so far. It's obvious that McCoy is more than just some dude that hands off the ball.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 8, 2024 12:23:31 GMT -8
We upgraded at QB this year I am not sure we are allowed to have this conversation. We might need to check in with the authorities.
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