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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 9, 2024 7:38:01 GMT -8
There is a lot of goodwill for Oregon State right now in Salem. Like $10 million worth of goodwill. But, if you start "imposing conditions," that goodwill and the money that accompanies it will disappear like a fart in the wind. The Civil War is bigger than just the two schools. But Oregon State will wind up a lot smaller by taking the low road. Completely disagree. As quick follow up, if there is so much "goodwill" in Salem towards OSU, why did they take a hard pass on forcing hole to compensate us for the damage they inflicted on us and the conference by their selfish, boneheaded move. Goodwill doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't paired with action. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - a hell of a lot more talk than action ever comes out of Salem.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 9, 2024 9:06:11 GMT -8
Dump it. The sooner the better. Move on.
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Post by sparty on Jul 9, 2024 9:07:03 GMT -8
As quick follow up, if there is so much "goodwill" in Salem towards OSU, why did they take a hard pass on forcing hole to compensate us for the damage they inflicted on us and the conference by their selfish, boneheaded move. Goodwill doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't paired with action. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - a hell of a lot more talk than action ever comes out of Salem. Because there is a short fall of money for our parks and many roads and bridges need fixing as well as other infrastructure projects.
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Post by larbeav on Jul 9, 2024 9:10:59 GMT -8
It would be gross watching Phil's corpse holding up a trophy Classless comment..
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 9, 2024 9:11:41 GMT -8
The whole Willie Lyles thing was slimy and outside of the intent of NCAA regulations. Lyles admitted Chip Kelly personally approved a 25K salary to him, retroactively, to influence recruits. He apparently influenced the heck out of LaMichael James’ mom, influencing LaMichael and his mom to move across the Texas/Arkansas border (with him? I forget all the details) for a bit so he could graduate high school in Arkansas, which wasn’t happening in Texas due to not being able to pass the basic math requirement. It was slimy at a minimum, not to mention Kelly got a 2-3 year “show cause” NCAA expulsion out of the episode… it was not a little deal. On the whole Civi War thing, as long as we get the home game, first in every rotation because uo has proven themselves to break promises when they skipped the GOR signing, I’m ok with it… but I’d be more OK with finding another major name rivalry partner or getting a game against a rotating list of major name schools once each year. It was Lache Seastrunk they were punished for. And yes, it was slimy. You think Mark Emmert loves him some UO? Lache is the one Lyles lived with before they even knew Oregon was a state, yet the NCAA said he didnt' have a "pre existing relationship". They should have slapped them on the wrist and reinforced the rules. Cam Newton's dad is on the record about getting a $250,000 donation to his chuch and the NCAA did nothing. When literally dozens of Ohio State players were, get this, STEALING athletic department property and trading it for tens of thousands of dollars in free tattoos the NCAA said they couldn't subpoena and let it go. But the UO is some big evil cheater because Lache Seatstrunk slept on Willie's couch. It's pretty interesting that paying someone $25k to "influence" another person was a massive multi year long punishment in today's world. Yet, it was. And around here we call him Will.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 9, 2024 10:28:02 GMT -8
You know what the conditions we were suggesting. We already said it. None of us on here suggested 2 for 1. What we did suggest, given their recent history - away and home, with Corvallis always being first. The other was a five year hiatus from playing them. Lastly, they should have to pay us to play them - at either location. Small price to pay for the financial pain they inflicted with their GOR stunt on their way out the door. Don't like it hole? Go play with yourself in the B1G - and go straight to hell. Them and all of their delusional prick fans. You know, like the one's shouting slurs at the Mormons. Or the fans that Chip Kelly yelled at trying to do an interview. The fans that the rest of the now former PAC loved to hate. Have a great evening! There is a lot of goodwill for Oregon State right now in Salem. Like $10 million worth of goodwill. But, if you start "imposing conditions," that goodwill and the money that accompanies it will disappear like a fart in the wind. The Civil War is bigger than just the two schools. But Oregon State will wind up a lot smaller by taking the low road. You have to love the the opinions that come across as fact or that they represent the majority of the fan base. The reality will be determined in the future and will be based on the fiscal aspects of the game. - The CW moniker has become largely fan oriented. As recruiting became national, less and less Oregon players are involved. A few players from Oregon or recruited by both still have that CW "fire". However, for the most part the CW atmosphere is fan based and always will be. - The CW was never based on being in the same conference, or being "equal". But, in the same state and in close proximity... that has not changed and will not. The fans on message boards are far more involved with their programs, but heir opinions on this game are as mentioned above... The casual sports fan will always see it as the CW no matter the angry cries levied on this or any other site. - The CW game itself will exist as long as both parties see it fiscally advantageous. Whether one or the other continues it will be based on that. It will not be discontinued out of animus. Point blank, as pointed out several times, Oregon does not need to host OSU. They have a larger stadium, better national profile and can attract other decent quality P4 teams without paying out more for OSU to show up. Reser is a G5 stadium... beautiful, but OSU can never, without a huge TV payout, attract P4 teams on par with Oregon on a regular basis. And that was true before the realignment and will remain true. - The truly sad aspect of this thread is the "little big man syndrome" represented. The anger of being left behind yet then not wanting to play the type of team that proves you shouldn't have. A team that offers exposure, financial benefits, and an opportunity to gain prominence. The constant comparison to a program everyone knows has major fiscal advantages, while the criticisms are obvious envy to Oregon's circumstantial "luck" in having a huge benefactor with a world-wide appeal. Some here might as well go ahead and blame OSU not having an elite track & field program so Phil might have attended here instead. Guess what... it is the current reality and none of the bitching will change the current set up or if and how the CW game will be played. But, OSU certainly does not have the upper hand in "demanding" any concessions and Barnes most certainly will not toss away the opportunity for a CW home and home due to a realignment decision. It will be the one game every season that is guaranteed to be on a major network and watched by millions more people nationwide.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 9, 2024 10:59:59 GMT -8
As quick follow up, if there is so much "goodwill" in Salem towards OSU, why did they take a hard pass on forcing hole to compensate us for the damage they inflicted on us and the conference by their selfish, boneheaded move. Goodwill doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't paired with action. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - a hell of a lot more talk than action ever comes out of Salem. Because there is a short fall of money for our parks and many roads and bridges need fixing as well as other infrastructure projects. That is the go to argument that is always made when short money, or wanting to increase taxes. While sending out kicker checks...................
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Post by sparty on Jul 9, 2024 11:56:36 GMT -8
Because there is a short fall of money for our parks and many roads and bridges need fixing as well as other infrastructure projects. That is the go to argument that is always made when short money, or wanting to increase taxes. While sending out kicker checks................... A ballot initiative that aims to raise corporate taxes in order to give every Oregon resident an annual $750 rebate could appear on the November ballot. Why not use this new tax on corporations to fund OSU athletics? That would burn Oregon fans , Ha!
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 9, 2024 12:01:27 GMT -8
That is the go to argument that is always made when short money, or wanting to increase taxes. While sending out kicker checks................... A ballot initiative that aims to raise corporate taxes in order to give every Oregon resident an annual $750 rebate could appear on the November ballot. Why not use this new tax on corporations to fund OSU athletics? That would burn Oregon fans , Ha! Because corporations will just eat it, right? Dumb.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 9, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -8
That is the go to argument that is always made when short money, or wanting to increase taxes. While sending out kicker checks................... A ballot initiative that aims to raise corporate taxes in order to give every Oregon resident an annual $750 rebate could appear on the November ballot. Why not use this new tax on corporations to fund OSU athletics? That would burn Oregon fans , Ha! I got one even better - make it a really, really, large tax on fortune 500 corporations with head offices in Oregon - and give it to OSU. Last I checked, there were only two in Oregon - Nike and Lithia Motors.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 9, 2024 12:02:02 GMT -8
There is a lot of goodwill for Oregon State right now in Salem. Like $10 million worth of goodwill. But, if you start "imposing conditions," that goodwill and the money that accompanies it will disappear like a fart in the wind. The Civil War is bigger than just the two schools. But Oregon State will wind up a lot smaller by taking the low road. You have to love the the Opinions that come across as fact or that they represent the majority of the fan base. The reality will be determined in the future and will be based on the fiscal aspects of the game. - The CW moniker has become largely fan oriented. As recruiting became national, less and less Oregon players are involved. A few players from Oregon or recruited by both still have that CW "fire". However, for the most part the CW atmosphere is fan based and always will be. - The CW was never based on being in the same conference, or being "equal". But, in the same state and in close proximity... that has not changed and will not. The fans on message boards are far more involved with their programs, but heir opinions on this game are as mentioned above... The casual sports fan will always see it as the CW no matter the angry cries levied on this or any other site. - The CW game itself will exist as long as both parties see it fiscally advantageous. Whether one or the other continues it will be based on that. It will not be discontinued out of animus. Point blank, as pointed out several times, Oregon does not need to host OSU. They have a larger stadium, better national profile and can attract other decent quality P4 teams without paying out more for OSU to show up. Reser is a G5 stadium... beautiful, but OSU can never, without a huge TV payout, attract P4 teams on par with Oregon on a regular basis. And that was true before the realignment and will remain true. - The truly sad aspect of this thread is the "little big man syndrome" represented. The anger of being left behind yet then not wanting to play the type of team that proves you shouldn't have. A team that offers exposure, financial benefits, and an opportunity to gain prominence. The constant comparison to a program everyone knows has major fiscal advantages, while the criticisms are obvious envy to Oregon's circumstantial "luck" in having a huge benefactor with a world-wide appeal. Some here might as well go ahead and blame OSU not having an elite track & field program so Phil might have attended here instead. Guess what... it is the current reality and none of the bitching will change the current set up or if and how the CW game will be played. But, OSU certainly does not have the upper hand in "demanding" any concessions and Barnes most certainly will not toss away the opportunity for a CW home and home due to a realignment decision. It will be the one game every season that is guaranteed to be on a major network and watched by millions more people nationwide. If any of us are being honest with ourselves, we are admitting that the little big man syndrome on display is just being petty because we are pissed off and it seems like there will never be any kind of justice. So we are pointlessly gnashing our collective teeth and spouting off nonsense about somehow sticking it to Oregon. But we are beyond that. There is a new "current reality" and we all can't do a lot more than sit back and watch, and support Oregon State - whatever may come.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 9, 2024 12:23:37 GMT -8
A ballot initiative that aims to raise corporate taxes in order to give every Oregon resident an annual $750 rebate could appear on the November ballot. Why not use this new tax on corporations to fund OSU athletics? That would burn Oregon fans , Ha! I got one even better - make it a really, really, large tax on fortune 500 corporations with head offices in Oregon - and give it to OSU. Last I checked, there were only two in Oregon - Nike and Lithia Motors. If that tax passes, don't be surprised if both those companies leave the state....
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 9, 2024 12:23:49 GMT -8
You have to love the the Opinions that come across as fact or that they represent the majority of the fan base. The reality will be determined in the future and will be based on the fiscal aspects of the game. - The CW moniker has become largely fan oriented. As recruiting became national, less and less Oregon players are involved. A few players from Oregon or recruited by both still have that CW "fire". However, for the most part the CW atmosphere is fan based and always will be. - The CW was never based on being in the same conference, or being "equal". But, in the same state and in close proximity... that has not changed and will not. The fans on message boards are far more involved with their programs, but heir opinions on this game are as mentioned above... The casual sports fan will always see it as the CW no matter the angry cries levied on this or any other site. - The CW game itself will exist as long as both parties see it fiscally advantageous. Whether one or the other continues it will be based on that. It will not be discontinued out of animus. Point blank, as pointed out several times, Oregon does not need to host OSU. They have a larger stadium, better national profile and can attract other decent quality P4 teams without paying out more for OSU to show up. Reser is a G5 stadium... beautiful, but OSU can never, without a huge TV payout, attract P4 teams on par with Oregon on a regular basis. And that was true before the realignment and will remain true. - The truly sad aspect of this thread is the "little big man syndrome" represented. The anger of being left behind yet then not wanting to play the type of team that proves you shouldn't have. A team that offers exposure, financial benefits, and an opportunity to gain prominence. The constant comparison to a program everyone knows has major fiscal advantages, while the criticisms are obvious envy to Oregon's circumstantial "luck" in having a huge benefactor with a world-wide appeal. Some here might as well go ahead and blame OSU not having an elite track & field program so Phil might have attended here instead. Guess what... it is the current reality and none of the bitching will change the current set up or if and how the CW game will be played. But, OSU certainly does not have the upper hand in "demanding" any concessions and Barnes most certainly will not toss away the opportunity for a CW home and home due to a realignment decision. It will be the one game every season that is guaranteed to be on a major network and watched by millions more people nationwide. If any of us are being honest with ourselves, we are admitting that the little big man syndrome on display is just being petty because we are pissed off and it seems like there will never be any kind of justice. So we are pointlessly gnashing our collective teeth and spouting off nonsense about somehow sticking it to Oregon. But we are beyond that. There is a new "current reality" and we all can't do a lot more than sit back and watch, and support Oregon State - whatever may come. I guess that is the true point of being a fan of OSU and in the truest sense of this board... support OSU. The rest is wasted energy and...
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 9, 2024 12:29:48 GMT -8
As quick follow up, if there is so much "goodwill" in Salem towards OSU, why did they take a hard pass on forcing hole to compensate us for the damage they inflicted on us and the conference by their selfish, boneheaded move. Goodwill doesn't mean sh*t if it isn't paired with action. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - a hell of a lot more talk than action ever comes out of Salem. Because there is a short fall of money for our parks and many roads and bridges need fixing as well as other infrastructure projects. Maybe Uncle Phil can fix the roads?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 9, 2024 12:39:28 GMT -8
Because there is a short fall of money for our parks and many roads and bridges need fixing as well as other infrastructure projects. Maybe Uncle Phil can fix the roads? He can pave them with rubber soles.
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