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Post by rgeorge on Jul 10, 2024 12:39:09 GMT -8
I think, all things considered, it would be good for the Beavers to get a Big 10 team (ANY Big 10 team) in Corvallis every other year, if possible. The fact that that team might be the ducks is less relevant now than it has ever been before. Not being in the same conference, we have less on the line (win or lose) when we play them. A win would be sweet, but not necessarily any sweeter than beating any other power 4/5 conference team that we play.
All that being said, what I've learned from a few posters in this thread is, if I have this right, the ducks and the whole UofNike athletic program is fine and upstanding, and no Beaver fan nor any other fan has any reason to claim otherwise. Seemingly, if we call the ducks "evil" then we're just delusional. If some authority like, say, the NCAA, finds that the ducks have done something wrong, then it seems we're supposed to accept that it was misplaced and undeserved. We are seemingly supposed to believe that we have ZERO Moral High Ground compared to the ducks. That the only reason WE didn't negotiate behind the scenes, skip out on our conference, and drive the final nail into the cofin of the Pac is because we simply didn't get the opportunity. That the only reason WE didn't hire a non-degreed booster as AD is because we didn't think of it first. That, if only we'd been thinking straight, WE would have found ways around the state contractor bid laws when building athletic facilities on campus. That our AD and President are just lying, find the silver lining, and/or making excuses, when they say that what they really want is a REGIONAL conference. Seemingly, the ducks are the shining example of how you do things the right way, get what you want, and become a huge success, with no regrets and no questionable behavior of any kind. At least when Green85 posted he admitted he was a duck. A few posters who claim to be Beaver fans somehow NEVER find that the Beavers made better decisions, upheld a higher standard of conduct, or in any way outshined the ducks when it comes to doing things the right way, on or off the field/diamond/court. You don't have to hate the ducks to be a Beaver fan (I guess), but if you're a Beaver fan wouldn't you at least like or respect the Beavers more than the ducks? Wouldn't you be willing to occasionally see the ducks in an unfavorable light?I'll have to say just the opposite. Even highly respected posters need to be called out on BS. This is your most closed minded and completely fabricated post I have ever read from your fingers... see the parts highlighted... - pretty much in a complete reversal of what many angry fans state! Some may not want to play them, but would savor victories over the evil empire much more than say the upcoming Purdue game. Saying anything other than that is complete hogwash to every loyal Beaver fan. All he crap that has gone on doesn't erase the 130 years of competition and rivalry. Period. Name another P4 team that OSU has played regularly that a future game would mean as much as a win over the Ducks? Go ahead... - As for the biggest pile of gibberish... which is creatively balanced with "if I have this right"... nice fence sit! I spent 20 minutes re-reading posts favoring playing the CW. Guess what NONE state anything you propose was said. In fact almost every post in favor mentions financial reasons. Please post the threads links to all the posts where you "learned" these facts? I could not find a one that admired the Ducks... so are you are a mind reader, you just read between the lines and interpreted what you deem fit? Point blank... you've obviously learned ZERO reading this thread, other than the need to completely fabricate BS that fits your particular bias. - LOL... I'm not even sure where to start with this overtly stereotypical post of how and why a Beaver fan should think and act. Again... if this fabrication from your own experiences or again the immature interpretation of some posts that don't agree with your viewpoint?? Since you decided to chime in... why not actually speak to the topic while spouting the delusional crap. CW... regardless of the rest of the schedule... play it or not?
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Post by beavaristotle on Jul 10, 2024 12:43:30 GMT -8
It's interesting because it was more than just Bowerman - Prefontaine played a key role in the running boom of the 70's too, much the same way that Nike's grab of Michael Jordan catapulted them into leading the industry in basketball. Prefontaine was a one of a kind. Incredible runner. Really sad to have his life taken away before his time. We will never know what he could have accomplished in total, had he lived and fulfilled his career. As an aside, at Marshfield high School, he was a wallflower and a nobody. I had some family members that went to school with him Mike Riley tells a great Prefontaine story about walking over to the track at Corvallis high school after a football practice to watch this skinny little kid set the national high school 2 mile record. The race starts, everyone is at pace and one guy is sprinting the whole way, Pre lapped other runners in a 8 lap race. Mike said it was one of the most amazing things he ever saw
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 10, 2024 13:18:58 GMT -8
Oh….. I’m trying not to give a s%#t. The way Lanning is recruiting right now…… maybe take a few year’s hiatus. Let this mess work itself out into a more STABLE environment (hopefully). Then… if we’re still in a Power 4/5 (whatever) conference…… I guess. It’s cheap and, I would imagine, financially beneficial to OSU. DON’T wanna get curb-stomped, though.
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Post by Mike84 on Jul 10, 2024 17:03:02 GMT -8
I think, all things considered, it would be good for the Beavers to get a Big 10 team (ANY Big 10 team) in Corvallis every other year, if possible. The fact that that team might be the ducks is less relevant now than it has ever been before. Not being in the same conference, we have less on the line (win or lose) when we play them. A win would be sweet, but not necessarily any sweeter than beating any other power 4/5 conference team that we play.
All that being said, what I've learned from a few posters in this thread is, if I have this right, the ducks and the whole UofNike athletic program is fine and upstanding, and no Beaver fan nor any other fan has any reason to claim otherwise. Seemingly, if we call the ducks "evil" then we're just delusional. If some authority like, say, the NCAA, finds that the ducks have done something wrong, then it seems we're supposed to accept that it was misplaced and undeserved. We are seemingly supposed to believe that we have ZERO Moral High Ground compared to the ducks. That the only reason WE didn't negotiate behind the scenes, skip out on our conference, and drive the final nail into the cofin of the Pac is because we simply didn't get the opportunity. That the only reason WE didn't hire a non-degreed booster as AD is because we didn't think of it first. That, if only we'd been thinking straight, WE would have found ways around the state contractor bid laws when building athletic facilities on campus. That our AD and President are just lying, find the silver lining, and/or making excuses, when they say that what they really want is a REGIONAL conference. Seemingly, the ducks are the shining example of how you do things the right way, get what you want, and become a huge success, with no regrets and no questionable behavior of any kind. At least when Green85 posted he admitted he was a duck. A few posters who claim to be Beaver fans somehow NEVER find that the Beavers made better decisions, upheld a higher standard of conduct, or in any way outshined the ducks when it comes to doing things the right way, on or off the field/diamond/court. You don't have to hate the ducks to be a Beaver fan (I guess), but if you're a Beaver fan wouldn't you at least like or respect the Beavers more than the ducks? Wouldn't you be willing to occasionally see the ducks in an unfavorable light?I'll have to say just the opposite. Even highly respected posters need to be called out on BS. This is your most closed minded and completely fabricated post I have ever read from your fingers... see the parts highlighted... - pretty much in a complete reversal of what many angry fans state! Some may not want to play them, but would savor victories over the evil empire much more than say the upcoming Purdue game. Saying anything other than that is complete hogwash to every loyal Beaver fan. All he crap that has gone on doesn't erase the 130 years of competition and rivalry. Period. Name another P4 team that OSU has played regularly that a future game would mean as much as a win over the Ducks? Go ahead... - As for the biggest pile of gibberish... which is creatively balanced with "if I have this right"... nice fence sit! I spent 20 minutes re-reading posts favoring playing the CW. Guess what NONE state anything you propose was said. In fact almost every post in favor mentions financial reasons. Please post the threads links to all the posts where you "learned" these facts? I could not find a one that admired the Ducks... so are you are a mind reader, you just read between the lines and interpreted what you deem fit? Point blank... you've obviously learned ZERO reading this thread, other than the need to completely fabricate BS that fits your particular bias. - LOL... I'm not even sure where to start with this overtly stereotypical post of how and why a Beaver fan should think and act. Again... if this fabrication from your own experiences or again the immature interpretation of some posts that don't agree with your viewpoint?? Since you decided to chime in... why not actually speak to the topic while spouting the delusional crap. CW... regardless of the rest of the schedule... play it or not? I'm reluctant, rgeorge , to respond to this because I think even you might be willing to admit that once you make up your mind about a post or poster, you are loathe to change it in the slightest, reluctant to admit that you might have misinterpreted or misread something, and determined to have the last word. That leads to a lot of useless back-and-forth and frustration. The good news for everyone is that I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a week-long camping and fishing trip, unlikely to have data, so you can respond however you want, pointing out that I'm still (more) wrong, and also have the last word without all the annoying back-and-forth! Yay! First of all, for those who haven't gone back and re-read the whole thread like you did, let's recap my views in this thread on whether or not we should play the ducks, whether or not beating them would mean anything, and whether or not I'm on the same page as other "angry fans". I said: "...beating them on the field is the best sort of revenge.""I'm not going to criticize anyone for holding a long, long, long grudge. Not the kind of grudge that happens all the time in a rivalry but the kind of grudge that is generational."My point in the first paragraph of the post you find to be BS was to try to get people on all sides to see the advantage of paying the ducks, whether they hate them and want to beat them, hate them and never want to play them again, or couldn't care less about them and don't care about continuing the rivalry. I said a win over them would NOT NECESSARILY be any sweeter than a win over some other power 4/5 conference team. I'm trying to leave the door open for people to just acknowledge that playing a Big-10 team at home would be a good thing, especially if it is in any way guaranteed to happen every other year. If they care that it's the ducks, great! If they don't care that it's the ducks, great! Not sure why you're so fired up about me trying to convince people on all sides of the issue that playing the ducks would be a good thing. The qualifier, "if I have this right", that starts the second paragraph, is a way of saying, "I could be wrong" or "I could be misreading this". This is what someone says when they are willing to admit that their opinion is not blessed by God and that they could, in fact, be seeing things the wrong way. It leaves the door open for actual discussion instead of forming an opinion and then never changing it in the slightest. As for the rest of my post, there is some history behind it and was me venting about posters who get upset when Beaver fans characterize the ducks in any way as cheaters, evil, morally bankrupt, or distrustful, especially when the response is usually to indicate that the Beavers are no better and that the ducks have never really done anything wrong. That wears on me, especially given that we are on a Beaver fan message board. I just wish that Beaver fans who are also duck fans would just say that up front and acknowledge that they are not likely to be aligned with most of the fans on this board. Given that unstated history, I might have been (or at least seemed to be) a bit overboard in my generalizations. As I say, there is some history here, but here are some examples specifically from this thread: "... if the shoe were on the other foot, we'd have bounced just as fast, laughing all the way to the bank.""...you're [mad] about the big evil machine""They [the NCAA] should have slapped them [the ducks] on the wrist.""But the UO is some big evil cheater because Lache Seatstrunk slept on Willie's couch."Wish me luck with the fishing, although we plan on having fun regardless. Go Beavs! Mike '84
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 10, 2024 19:39:26 GMT -8
I'll have to say just the opposite. Even highly respected posters need to be called out on BS. This is your most closed minded and completely fabricated post I have ever read from your fingers... see the parts highlighted... - pretty much in a complete reversal of what many angry fans state! Some may not want to play them, but would savor victories over the evil empire much more than say the upcoming Purdue game. Saying anything other than that is complete hogwash to every loyal Beaver fan. All he crap that has gone on doesn't erase the 130 years of competition and rivalry. Period. Name another P4 team that OSU has played regularly that a future game would mean as much as a win over the Ducks? Go ahead... - As for the biggest pile of gibberish... which is creatively balanced with "if I have this right"... nice fence sit! I spent 20 minutes re-reading posts favoring playing the CW. Guess what NONE state anything you propose was said. In fact almost every post in favor mentions financial reasons. Please post the threads links to all the posts where you "learned" these facts? I could not find a one that admired the Ducks... so are you are a mind reader, you just read between the lines and interpreted what you deem fit? Point blank... you've obviously learned ZERO reading this thread, other than the need to completely fabricate BS that fits your particular bias. - LOL... I'm not even sure where to start with this overtly stereotypical post of how and why a Beaver fan should think and act. Again... if this fabrication from your own experiences or again the immature interpretation of some posts that don't agree with your viewpoint?? Since you decided to chime in... why not actually speak to the topic while spouting the delusional crap. CW... regardless of the rest of the schedule... play it or not? I'm reluctant, rgeorge , to respond to this because I think even you might be willing to admit that once you make up your mind about a post or poster, you are loathe to change it in the slightest, reluctant to admit that you might have misinterpreted or misread something, and determined to have the last word. That leads to a lot of useless back-and-forth and frustration. The good news for everyone is that I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a week-long camping and fishing trip, unlikely to have data, so you can respond however you want, pointing out that I'm still (more) wrong, and also have the last word without all the annoying back-and-forth! Yay! First of all, for those who haven't gone back and re-read the whole thread like you did, let's recap my views in this thread on whether or not we should play the ducks, whether or not beating them would mean anything, and whether or not I'm on the same page as other "angry fans". I said: "...beating them on the field is the best sort of revenge.""I'm not going to criticize anyone for holding a long, long, long grudge. Not the kind of grudge that happens all the time in a rivalry but the kind of grudge that is generational."My point in the first paragraph of the post you find to be BS was to try to get people on all sides to see the advantage of paying the ducks, whether they hate them and want to beat them, hate them and never want to play them again, or couldn't care less about them and don't care about continuing the rivalry. I said a win over them would NOT NECESSARILY be any sweeter than a win over some other power 4/5 conference team. I'm trying to leave the door open for people to just acknowledge that playing a Big-10 team at home would be a good thing, especially if it is in any way guaranteed to happen every other year. If they care that it's the ducks, great! If they don't care that it's the ducks, great! Not sure why you're so fired up about me trying to convince people on all sides of the issue that playing the ducks would be a good thing. The qualifier, "if I have this right", that starts the second paragraph, is a way of saying, "I could be wrong" or "I could be misreading this". This is what someone says when they are willing to admit that their opinion is not blessed by God and that they could, in fact, be seeing things the wrong way. It leaves the door open for actual discussion instead of forming an opinion and then never changing it in the slightest. As for the rest of my post, there is some history behind it and was me venting about posters who get upset when Beaver fans characterize the ducks in any way as cheaters, evil, morally bankrupt, or distrustful, especially when the response is usually to indicate that the Beavers are no better and that the ducks have never really done anything wrong. That wears on me, especially given that we are on a Beaver fan message board. I just wish that Beaver fans who are also duck fans would just say that up front and acknowledge that they are not likely to be aligned with most of the fans on this board. Given that unstated history, I might have been (or at least seemed to be) a bit overboard in my generalizations. As I say, there is some history here, but here are some examples specifically from this thread: "... if the shoe were on the other foot, we'd have bounced just as fast, laughing all the way to the bank.""...you're [mad] about the big evil machine""They [the NCAA] should have slapped them [the ducks] on the wrist.""But the UO is some big evil cheater because Lache Seatstrunk slept on Willie's couch."Wish me luck with the fishing, although we plan on having fun regardless. Go Beavs! Mike '84 My mind is made up... as your post stands as complete hogwash... qualifier or not. If you read you know none of what you posted was actually mentioned. No long rebuttal is needed. No matter how intellectual you'd like to respond the post was far beneath the standards you've set for yourself here. Too bad you just didn't recap your views vs making up BS about other posts/posters.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 11, 2024 6:56:00 GMT -8
I'm reluctant, rgeorge , to respond to this because I think even you might be willing to admit that once you make up your mind about a post or poster, you are loathe to change it in the slightest, reluctant to admit that you might have misinterpreted or misread something, and determined to have the last word. That leads to a lot of useless back-and-forth and frustration. The good news for everyone is that I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a week-long camping and fishing trip, unlikely to have data, so you can respond however you want, pointing out that I'm still (more) wrong, and also have the last word without all the annoying back-and-forth! Yay! First of all, for those who haven't gone back and re-read the whole thread like you did, let's recap my views in this thread on whether or not we should play the ducks, whether or not beating them would mean anything, and whether or not I'm on the same page as other "angry fans". I said: "...beating them on the field is the best sort of revenge.""I'm not going to criticize anyone for holding a long, long, long grudge. Not the kind of grudge that happens all the time in a rivalry but the kind of grudge that is generational."My point in the first paragraph of the post you find to be BS was to try to get people on all sides to see the advantage of paying the ducks, whether they hate them and want to beat them, hate them and never want to play them again, or couldn't care less about them and don't care about continuing the rivalry. I said a win over them would NOT NECESSARILY be any sweeter than a win over some other power 4/5 conference team. I'm trying to leave the door open for people to just acknowledge that playing a Big-10 team at home would be a good thing, especially if it is in any way guaranteed to happen every other year. If they care that it's the ducks, great! If they don't care that it's the ducks, great! Not sure why you're so fired up about me trying to convince people on all sides of the issue that playing the ducks would be a good thing. The qualifier, "if I have this right", that starts the second paragraph, is a way of saying, "I could be wrong" or "I could be misreading this". This is what someone says when they are willing to admit that their opinion is not blessed by God and that they could, in fact, be seeing things the wrong way. It leaves the door open for actual discussion instead of forming an opinion and then never changing it in the slightest. As for the rest of my post, there is some history behind it and was me venting about posters who get upset when Beaver fans characterize the ducks in any way as cheaters, evil, morally bankrupt, or distrustful, especially when the response is usually to indicate that the Beavers are no better and that the ducks have never really done anything wrong. That wears on me, especially given that we are on a Beaver fan message board. I just wish that Beaver fans who are also duck fans would just say that up front and acknowledge that they are not likely to be aligned with most of the fans on this board. Given that unstated history, I might have been (or at least seemed to be) a bit overboard in my generalizations. As I say, there is some history here, but here are some examples specifically from this thread: "... if the shoe were on the other foot, we'd have bounced just as fast, laughing all the way to the bank.""...you're [mad] about the big evil machine""They [the NCAA] should have slapped them [the ducks] on the wrist.""But the UO is some big evil cheater because Lache Seatstrunk slept on Willie's couch."Wish me luck with the fishing, although we plan on having fun regardless. Go Beavs! Mike '84 My mind is made up... as your post stands as complete hogwash... qualifier or not. If you read you know none of what you posted was actually mentioned. No long rebuttal is needed. No matter how intellectual you'd like to respond the post was far beneath the standards you've set for yourself here. Too bad you just didn't recap your views vs making up BS about other posts/posters. You do you...Keep proving my point.
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 11, 2024 8:07:04 GMT -8
My mind is made up... as your post stands as complete hogwash... qualifier or not. If you read you know none of what you posted was actually mentioned. No long rebuttal is needed. No matter how intellectual you'd like to respond the post was far beneath the standards you've set for yourself here. Too bad you just didn't recap your views vs making up BS about other posts/posters. You do you...Keep proving my point. I've said it before, I'll say it again; that bro needs to up the milligrams in his edibles
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 11, 2024 8:51:21 GMT -8
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 11, 2024 8:57:43 GMT -8
There are plenty of posters/ imposters to go after on this board, Mike84 is not one of them. Classic tactic - do not just disagree with someone, but rather attempt to destroy their position by undermining their logic and opinion. Once politics were removed from the board, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can disagree, without ad hominem attacks.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 11, 2024 9:10:13 GMT -8
There are plenty of posters/ imposters to go after on this board, Mike84 is not one of them. Classic tactic - do not just disagree with someone, but rather attempt to destroy their position by undermining their logic and opinion. Once politics were removed from the board, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can disagree, without ad hominem attacks. You may want to look up definitions. Calling out BS and fabricated interpretations isn't name calling. Opinions aren't stating BS about posts that don't exist by using a "qualifier" as the excuse for "interpretation". As stated to anyone who actually reads the threads and Mike's post it was a fabrication followed by a lame justification for said post. And, as stated Mike is far and away better than that. "Politics" can include excusing BS based on a an anonymous reputation. Fabricated BS is BS no matter who spouts it. I challenge you or anyone else to read the posts justifying playing the CW and finding any who stated anything resembling the words posted. Enough said as reading the entire thread and posts are evidence enough.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 11, 2024 9:29:08 GMT -8
There are plenty of posters/ imposters to go after on this board, Mike84 is not one of them. Classic tactic - do not just disagree with someone, but rather attempt to destroy their position by undermining their logic and opinion. Once politics were removed from the board, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can disagree, without ad hominem attacks. You may want to look up definitions. Calling out BS and fabricated interpretations isn't name calling.Opinions aren't stating BS about posts that don't exist by using a "qualifier" as the excuse for "interpretation". As stated to anyone who actually reads the threads and Mike's post it was a fabrication followed by a lame justification for said post. And, as stated Mike is far and away better than that. "Politics" can include excusing BS based on a an anonymous reputation. Fabricated BS is BS no matter who spouts it. I challenge you or anyone else to read the posts justifying playing the CW and finding any who stated anything resembling the words posted.Enough said as reading the entire thread and posts are evidence enough. Highlight number one - show me where I ever stated name calling Highlight number two - Mike shared actual quotes, quotes I read in the thread myself as well. Sorry you missed them
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 11, 2024 9:48:58 GMT -8
You may want to look up definitions. Calling out BS and fabricated interpretations isn't name calling.Opinions aren't stating BS about posts that don't exist by using a "qualifier" as the excuse for "interpretation". As stated to anyone who actually reads the threads and Mike's post it was a fabrication followed by a lame justification for said post. And, as stated Mike is far and away better than that. "Politics" can include excusing BS based on a an anonymous reputation. Fabricated BS is BS no matter who spouts it. I challenge you or anyone else to read the posts justifying playing the CW and finding any who stated anything resembling the words posted.Enough said as reading the entire thread and posts are evidence enough. Highlight number one - show me where I ever stated name calling Highlight number two - Mike shared actual quotes, quotes I read in the thread myself as well. Sorry you missed them
Granted on the first... but the poster was being called out on his points not his "person". As I even stated very unlike historical record here. Saw the quotes... did any remotely resemble his "learned" info from other Beaver fans? They're not "over generalizations" they are completely unsubstantiated and wild... exaggerations. But, defend as you will.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 11, 2024 10:08:13 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 12, 2024 13:44:50 GMT -8
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 12, 2024 14:07:08 GMT -8
Ohhhh, for ffs. Now I get to look forward to a post by green85 sssssllllllloooooooowwwwwwllllllly explaining to beaver fans why it is perfectly normal, and in fact good, for college football players to be complete fee agents, selling their talent to the highest bidder and that it isn't phil knights fault he is paying millions to college players. In fact he is just doing it out of the charity of his heart to help disadvantage students eveywhere, and green pity's OSU for not being as generous. as an aside, Malcolm Gladwell has a great podcast going this summer about the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Gladwell says there were 3 easy ways to spot an American that would 'turn Nazi' in the runup to the Olympics. How they would resolve their cognitive dissonance with the evil of the Nazi's because they thought the Olympic games were more important. Green85's cognitive dissonance on his ducks f'ing over OSU and the pac 12 follows this pattern.
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