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Post by bvrbred on Jul 10, 2024 7:29:50 GMT -8
That's a weird take. Uo is in their spot now because of pknight's money. Whether the serious money started in 1990 or 1996 is irrelevant. Bowerman was never involved in day to day operations. He was all R & D. He and Knight signed their agreement in 68 or 70. His money he put in helped the young Nike (BRS) in a huge way. I don't know the value of where the Bowerman family stock went, but I think high 9 figures. I was responding to Green's point which was that this all stems from Oregon's luck from the convergence of people in the track program decades ago. I pointed out that it was really due to one man, Bill Bowerman. Say somebody invents and markets a track shoe in 1950. Who cares? Nobody cared about track and field. Bowerman stimulated the public's interest in track and field by not only taking Oregon's track program to new heights but by promoting jogging. It became a cool thing to do, first in the Willamette Valley and then it spread. Would Nike have existed w/o Bowerman? I doubt it. I don't see Knight inventing his own track shoe. Bowerman had been developing one for some time, having studied the science of running--human movement and its effects on human anatomy--since his days as an undergraduate in the early 1930s. And of course w/o Nike there is no Phil Knight money and Oregon is just another small market school
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 10, 2024 7:36:56 GMT -8
Some notes from a Duck: 1. As a fan I want the CW to continue. 2. Oregon literally spent money buying out existing game contract and renegotiating another contract for non- conference games in 2024 to put the CW in Reser this year.3. Some background on the demise of the Pac12 has been presented in this thread. The latest info I have read is that Colorado and Big12 were locked in before the GOR meeting (Apple) meeting. The B1G contacted UW when they had confirmation of the Colorado move. UW told Oregon they were leaving and Oregon knew what was coming next. Yes, Oregon had been lobbying for a landing in case UW bolted long before the Colorado trigger. 4. I get the hate. I get the anger. I spent 50 years invested in Pac8/10/12 football and understand the CW rivalry. I posted in a thread on Oregon 247 site about how LUCKY my favorite team is. It is not about anything I have done. It is about the convergence of people in the Oregon track program decades ago that created this unbelievable facial advantage for Oregon athletics. Serendipity plays a part in life. Green, I have said it before, I will say it again - I may not always agree with your posts, but if all, or even a majority of Oregon fans were like you, the fan base would have a much better reputation. You have always been a class act on here.
To add to what others have said about your post - so, let me get this straight - after all of the shenanigans that Oregon and others have engaged in here to kill a 100+ year old rivalry and conference, at least it it's recently past form, we are supposed to be grateful we have your team in Reser this year? Are you serious right now? Give me a break. They didn't make these changes out of the goodness of their heart, or because they give a damn about us, but to attempt to save face. That is it. They know they screwed the pooch here in Oregon, now they come carrying an olive branch. Too little, too late. With many of us Beaver fans, the disgust for Oregon will not go away anytime soon. Up until the conference blow up, there was "hatred" for the ducks, but it was mostly good-natured. Not any more. This has taken it to a totally new level
The "old" duck fans I know are generally pretty cool. They know the history. It's the bandwagon that's insufferable.....FTd
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Post by green85 on Jul 10, 2024 8:54:01 GMT -8
Some notes from a Duck: 1. As a fan I want the CW to continue. 2. Oregon literally spent money buying out existing game contract and renegotiating another contract for non- conference games in 2024 to put the CW in Reser this year. 3. Some background on the demise of the Pac12 has been presented in this thread. The latest info I have read is that Colorado and Big12 were locked in before the GOR meeting (Apple) meeting. The B1G contacted UW when they had confirmation of the Colorado move. UW told Oregon they were leaving and Oregon knew what was coming next. Yes, Oregon had been lobbying for a landing in case UW bolted long before the Colorado trigger. 4. I get the hate. I get the anger. I spent 50 years invested in Pac8/10/12 football and understand the CW rivalry. I posted in a thread on Oregon 247 site about how LUCKY my favorite team is. It is not about anything I have done. It is about the convergence of people in the Oregon track program decades ago that created this unbelievable facial advantage for Oregon athletics. Serendipity plays a part in life. Colorado? You haven't explained why they should be any school's tipping point, least of all Washington's. Since 2016 they have been one of the worst teams in the conference, being above .500 only the truncated COVID year. Media market? OK, but nothing above the Bay Area, Puget Sound, or 4 Corner schools. They didn't really fit in with the Big12 and I would argue they didn't really fit in with the Pac12. So who would care about what they did? This is just a hindsight rationale for progams that were looking to get out, and for their best landing spots, all along. Lucky? Yes. Convergence of people in the Oregon track program decades ago? I guess, but really it was due to one man, a track coaching genius named Bill Bowerman. Bowerman elevated Oregon's track program to a national level and kept it there. He elevated track and field, broadening its reach with the general public by promoting jogging. He developed his own running shoe. Knight was a mediocre distance runner who hatched a plan to go into business with Bowerman and market the shoe. Bowerman didn't like being in business with Knight and soon dropped out. Notwithstanding Nike's meteoric success, Knight didn't start spending money in any kind of major way, nor did Oregon benefit from the Nike brand, until the Cotton Bowl blowout. Then, Oregon athletics became an obsession and he started kicking in bucket loads of money. It wasn't money alone. Nike marketing expertise gave the program a visual glamour heretofore unseen in college athletics. The "Colorado" tipping point was for the B1G (Big10). THEY controlled what happened with UW and UO. Demonstrated by the low the initial share is. The point made by others was that the Big10 did NOT want to appear to break up the Pac12 (given the sour taste of USC and UCLA exit). The Big10 needed some other trigger of events to hide their actions. Once they had confirmation of Colorado to Big12 (and the obvious exit of the Arizona schools that would happen as a result), the Big10 had their "cover" for the invite. Again, the Big10 had no reason to do anything with Oregon or UW (regardless of those schools begging for admission). As you correctly stated, the Big10 could simply wait. BUT the flip side of the coin is the Big10 knew the "best of the leftovers" for TV eyeballs was UO and UW. They bought the leftovers because it fit the objectives of the Big10. UW saw their best chance was to accept and Oregon did the same. A poster in this thread made a point of saying "if Oregon State decision makers were offered the same opportunity, would it have been in their best interests to say no?" Every Beaver fan on this board KNOWS that Oregon State would have accepted an invite to the Big10 or Big12 had that been placed on the table - with or without Oregon and Washington joining them. I get the hate. I get the anger.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 10, 2024 9:00:39 GMT -8
That's a weird take. Uo is in their spot now because of pknight's money. Whether the serious money started in 1990 or 1996 is irrelevant. Bowerman was never involved in day to day operations. He was all R & D. He and Knight signed their agreement in 68 or 70. His money he put in helped the young Nike (BRS) in a huge way. I don't know the value of where the Bowerman family stock went, but I think high 9 figures. I was responding to Green's point which was that this all stems from Oregon's luck from the convergence of people in the track program decades ago. I pointed out that it was really due to one man, Bill Bowerman. Say somebody invents and markets a track shoe in 1950. Who cares? Nobody cared about track and field. Bowerman stimulated the public's interest in track and field by not only taking Oregon's track program to new heights but by promoting jogging. It became a cool thing to do, first in the Willamette Valley and then it spread. Would Nike have existed w/o Bowerman? I doubt it. I don't see Knight inventing his own track shoe. Bowerman had been developing one for some time, having studied the science of running--human movement and its effects on human anatomy--since his days as an undergraduate in the early 1930s. And of course w/o Nike there is no Phil Knight money and Oregon is just another small market school It's interesting because it was more than just Bowerman - Prefontaine played a key role in the running boom of the 70's too, much the same way that Nike's grab of Michael Jordan catapulted them into leading the industry in basketball.
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 10, 2024 9:29:35 GMT -8
And so, it comes to this.
I usually have the projects and Honey Do List stuff to work on during football season and have historically had to pick watching football on Saturday or Sunday, but not both, in order to keep both things moving along and my lady happy. I've chosen Saturdays to watch college football for decades as my go to. I've been a diehard college football fan for many years, and I'll always follow and watch the Beavs. However, with all the changes that have happened in college football lately, I have a striking suspicion that my fantasy football team is going to get a lot better going forward, and my Saturdays will be "get stuff done" days (Go Raiders!).
Also, UO can go suck a duck!
GO BEAVS!
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Post by Mike84 on Jul 10, 2024 9:51:00 GMT -8
And so, it comes to this. I usually have the projects and Honey Do List stuff to work on during football season and have historically had to pick watching football on Saturday or Sunday, but not both, in order to keep both things moving along and my lady happy. I've chosen Saturdays to watch college football for decades as my go to. I've been a diehard college football fan for many years, and I'll always follow and watch the Beavs. However, with all the changes that have happened in college football lately, I have a striking suspicion that my fantasy football team is going to get a lot better going forward, and my Saturdays will be "get stuff done" days (Go Raiders!). Also, UO can go suck a duck! GO BEAVS! I'm still going to have my season tickets (split with a friend) and attend at least 3 games a season in Corvallis, as long as there is still a "Beavers" team playing football on campus at OSU, but my general interest in college football will be much less. It has to be, because most of my interest in college football has been about the Pac-8/10/12 and what those teams were doing (since it all affected us). Now I have no more reason to care about UW or UofNike or USC or any of the others than I did about Ohio State or Indiana or Rutgers in the past. Why would I care? I don't even have enough interest to root for them all to lose. In a way, it's refreshing. The Beavers will still be important to me, and I will still be cheering for them every week, no matter who they play or what's on the line, but I can free up the time and brain power I used to spend watching or thinking about the other teams for other things.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 10, 2024 10:05:28 GMT -8
Colorado? You haven't explained why they should be any school's tipping point, least of all Washington's. Since 2016 they have been one of the worst teams in the conference, being above .500 only the truncated COVID year. Media market? OK, but nothing above the Bay Area, Puget Sound, or 4 Corner schools. They didn't really fit in with the Big12 and I would argue they didn't really fit in with the Pac12. So who would care about what they did? This is just a hindsight rationale for progams that were looking to get out, and for their best landing spots, all along. Lucky? Yes. Convergence of people in the Oregon track program decades ago? I guess, but really it was due to one man, a track coaching genius named Bill Bowerman. Bowerman elevated Oregon's track program to a national level and kept it there. He elevated track and field, broadening its reach with the general public by promoting jogging. He developed his own running shoe. Knight was a mediocre distance runner who hatched a plan to go into business with Bowerman and market the shoe. Bowerman didn't like being in business with Knight and soon dropped out. Notwithstanding Nike's meteoric success, Knight didn't start spending money in any kind of major way, nor did Oregon benefit from the Nike brand, until the Cotton Bowl blowout. Then, Oregon athletics became an obsession and he started kicking in bucket loads of money. It wasn't money alone. Nike marketing expertise gave the program a visual glamour heretofore unseen in college athletics. The "Colorado" tipping point was for the B1G (Big10). THEY controlled what happened with UW and UO. Demonstrated by the low the initial share is. The point made by others was that the Big10 did NOT want to appear to break up the Pac12 (given the sour taste of USC and UCLA exit). The Big10 needed some other trigger of events to hide their actions. Once they had confirmation of Colorado to Big12 (and the obvious exit of the Arizona schools that would happen as a result), the Big10 had their "cover" for the invite. Again, the Big10 had no reason to do anything with Oregon or UW (regardless of those schools begging for admission). As you correctly stated, the Big10 could simply wait. BUT the flip side of the coin is the Big10 knew the "best of the leftovers" for TV eyeballs was UO and UW. They bought the leftovers because it fit the objectives of the Big10. UW saw their best chance was to accept and Oregon did the same. A poster in this thread made a point of saying "if Oregon State decision makers were offered the same opportunity, would it have been in their best interests to say no?" Every Beaver fan on this board KNOWS that Oregon State would have accepted an invite to the Big10 or Big12 had that been placed on the table - with or without Oregon and Washington joining them. I get the hate. I get the anger. I think there's plenty of blame to go around as to why we are, where we are. Hell, the Beavs shoulda been better at football! Larry Scott was a giant doosh. USC has been trying to F everyone for decades. The quacks and u dub only care themselves. Of course they will take a deal and leave us and Wazzu hanging. My only hope is that the new model of upper tier college football fails miserably, and we get back to regional conferences. I doubt it will happen though because fat, lazy, American football fans will be watching on their boob tubes.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 10, 2024 10:23:34 GMT -8
I was responding to Green's point which was that this all stems from Oregon's luck from the convergence of people in the track program decades ago. I pointed out that it was really due to one man, Bill Bowerman. Say somebody invents and markets a track shoe in 1950. Who cares? Nobody cared about track and field. Bowerman stimulated the public's interest in track and field by not only taking Oregon's track program to new heights but by promoting jogging. It became a cool thing to do, first in the Willamette Valley and then it spread. Would Nike have existed w/o Bowerman? I doubt it. I don't see Knight inventing his own track shoe. Bowerman had been developing one for some time, having studied the science of running--human movement and its effects on human anatomy--since his days as an undergraduate in the early 1930s. And of course w/o Nike there is no Phil Knight money and Oregon is just another small market school It's interesting because it was more than just Bowerman - Prefontaine played a key role in the running boom of the 70's too, much the same way that Nike's grab of Michael Jordan catapulted them into leading the industry in basketball. Prefontaine was a one of a kind. Incredible runner. Really sad to have his life taken away before his time. We will never know what he could have accomplished in total, had he lived and fulfilled his career. As an aside, at Marshfield high School, he was a wallflower and a nobody. I had some family members that went to school with him
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 10, 2024 10:26:23 GMT -8
It's interesting because it was more than just Bowerman - Prefontaine played a key role in the running boom of the 70's too, much the same way that Nike's grab of Michael Jordan catapulted them into leading the industry in basketball. Prefontaine was a one of a kind. Incredible runner. Really sad to have his life taken away before his time. We will never know what he could have accomplished in total, had he lived and fulfilled his career. As an aside, at Marshfield high School, he was a wallflower and a nobody. I had some family members that went to school with him Not sure I would classify drunk driving in that context, but yes, it was sad.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 10, 2024 10:33:18 GMT -8
Prefontaine was a one of a kind. Incredible runner. Really sad to have his life taken away before his time. We will never know what he could have accomplished in total, had he lived and fulfilled his career. As an aside, at Marshfield high School, he was a wallflower and a nobody. I had some family members that went to school with him Not sure I would classify drunk driving in that context, but yes, it was sad. I am keenly aware of the circumstances, not sure what your point is. All I was saying is he died well before his time. Yes, trying to put a cassette tape (those under 30 are saying what is a cassette tape?) into your tape player while intoxicated and traveling at a high rate of speed was dumb. But, as many of us can attest to, there would he a helluva lot less people on this planet if we were expected to experience the full consequences of our actions, all the time. Meaning, I could have easily ended up the same way. It was the '70s. Different time.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 10, 2024 10:37:33 GMT -8
Not sure I would classify drunk driving in that context, but yes, it was sad. I am keenly aware of the circumstances, not sure what your point is. All I was saying is he died well before his time. Yes, trying to put a cassette tape (those under 30 are saying what is a cassette tape?) into your tape player while intoxicated and traveling at a high rate of speed was dumb. But, as many of us can attest to, there would he a helluva lot less people on this planet if we were expected to experience the full consequences of our actions. Meaning, I could have easily ended up the same way. It was the '70s. Different time. My point was he chose to drive drunk. Nobody "took his life away" other than himself. It was through his own dumb actions.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 10, 2024 10:39:09 GMT -8
I am keenly aware of the circumstances, not sure what your point is. All I was saying is he died well before his time. Yes, trying to put a cassette tape (those under 30 are saying what is a cassette tape?) into your tape player while intoxicated and traveling at a high rate of speed was dumb. But, as many of us can attest to, there would he a helluva lot less people on this planet if we were expected to experience the full consequences of our actions. Meaning, I could have easily ended up the same way. It was the '70s. Different time. My point was he chose to drive drunk. Nobody "took his life away" other than himself. It was through his own dumb actions. I can see why you would look at it that way - certainly you are not wrong.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 10, 2024 11:41:54 GMT -8
I am keenly aware of the circumstances, not sure what your point is. All I was saying is he died well before his time. Yes, trying to put a cassette tape (those under 30 are saying what is a cassette tape?) into your tape player while intoxicated and traveling at a high rate of speed was dumb. But, as many of us can attest to, there would he a helluva lot less people on this planet if we were expected to experience the full consequences of our actions. Meaning, I could have easily ended up the same way. It was the '70s. Different time. My point was he chose to drive drunk. Nobody "took his life away" other than himself. It was through his own dumb actions. Good thing that you have never done anything that would/could have ended your existence through your own dumb actions. Feel free to cast the first stone.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 10, 2024 11:45:34 GMT -8
My point was he chose to drive drunk. Nobody "took his life away" other than himself. It was through his own dumb actions. Good thing that you have never done anything that would/could have ended your existence through your own dumb actions. Feel free to cast the first stone. Didn’t say that. Done plenty of dumb stuff in my day. What stone would I be casting? That dumb actions can kill you? No s%#t!
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Post by irimi on Jul 10, 2024 12:24:14 GMT -8
Colorado? You haven't explained why they should be any school's tipping point, least of all Washington's. Since 2016 they have been one of the worst teams in the conference, being above .500 only the truncated COVID year. Media market? OK, but nothing above the Bay Area, Puget Sound, or 4 Corner schools. They didn't really fit in with the Big12 and I would argue they didn't really fit in with the Pac12. So who would care about what they did? This is just a hindsight rationale for progams that were looking to get out, and for their best landing spots, all along. Lucky? Yes. Convergence of people in the Oregon track program decades ago? I guess, but really it was due to one man, a track coaching genius named Bill Bowerman. Bowerman elevated Oregon's track program to a national level and kept it there. He elevated track and field, broadening its reach with the general public by promoting jogging. He developed his own running shoe. Knight was a mediocre distance runner who hatched a plan to go into business with Bowerman and market the shoe. Bowerman didn't like being in business with Knight and soon dropped out. Notwithstanding Nike's meteoric success, Knight didn't start spending money in any kind of major way, nor did Oregon benefit from the Nike brand, until the Cotton Bowl blowout. Then, Oregon athletics became an obsession and he started kicking in bucket loads of money. It wasn't money alone. Nike marketing expertise gave the program a visual glamour heretofore unseen in college athletics. The "Colorado" tipping point was for the B1G (Big10). THEY controlled what happened with UW and UO. Demonstrated by the low the initial share is. The point made by others was that the Big10 did NOT want to appear to break up the Pac12 (given the sour taste of USC and UCLA exit). The Big10 needed some other trigger of events to hide their actions. Once they had confirmation of Colorado to Big12 (and the obvious exit of the Arizona schools that would happen as a result), the Big10 had their "cover" for the invite. Again, the Big10 had no reason to do anything with Oregon or UW (regardless of those schools begging for admission). As you correctly stated, the Big10 could simply wait. BUT the flip side of the coin is the Big10 knew the "best of the leftovers" for TV eyeballs was UO and UW. They bought the leftovers because it fit the objectives of the Big10. UW saw their best chance was to accept and Oregon did the same. A poster in this thread made a point of saying "if Oregon State decision makers were offered the same opportunity, would it have been in their best interests to say no?" Every Beaver fan on this board KNOWS that Oregon State would have accepted an invite to the Big10 or Big12 had that been placed on the table - with or without Oregon and Washington joining them. I get the hate. I get the anger. Like someone said up above, Ducks are going to paint it so that they can tolerate it. If that means making Colorado the scapegoat, wow, you picked a pretty low bar. But the good thing about that is they don't punch back and you don't have to deal with them anymore.
How exactly can you "get the hate" or "get the anger"? Maybe you comprehend the hate and the anger, but you don't live it and you don't really know it in your bones. There's no way that you could. To say that you do would be the same as us claiming that we identify with Michigan's National Championship. That's us! We should be getting our rings any day now.
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