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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 29, 2024 21:57:01 GMT -8
I agree about a lot of our offensive issues, with the exception of the last third of the playoff run season Tinkle's teams have had a limited offensive identity. We've seen flashes of some this year, but on the whole we don't have it. We have a big issue with our inside game, especially the last couple of years. I do think Ibekwe has a lot of potential to be interesting, but he's green as heck, and while showing some flashes earlier in the season, he hasn't shown much the last several games. I don't know if he's checked out, or if we now have a few players who are getting the ball the full time. Frustrating. Whoever is the coach this next year, I would hope an experienced big guy with a couple of years worth of starts and offensive skills can be brought in via transfer portal, whether that experience was in a different conference or JC. KC would be a fairly solid backup as is, and I think he will continue to improve to where by the time he's a senior he'll be pretty decent. As far as the minutes thing goes.... for career minutes our top 6 guys have 9421 total minutes, with Dexter leading the way at 2229, Pope has 2111. Sounds like a lot... to some. Neither Tyler, Michael nor Christian have reached the 1500 minute mark yet. KC, one of those top 6, has a career total of 705 minutes. Now let's look at Oregon's roster this year. Couisnard leads the way with 3334 minutes. Oquendo, Dante, Barthellemy and Diawara all have more career minutes than Jordan. Shelstad, Tracey, Rigsby, Bittle and Zarzuela all have more minutes than KC. The total career minutes played by those with more minutes than KC is 17,371 minutes. Which team has more game experience? Now obviously they can't all load up on minutes in any one game, and some of those ducks may be out for injury (I haven't checked), but they have a TON of experience to practice against, not to mention that at least 4 of those players were top 25/30 recruits. Despite what you say, we have a very young team and we were very competitive on uo's home court. I agree that our inside game is worrisome, but I think we also need to get two off-guards from the portal, as well. And that's assuming that Ratay, Bilodeau, Pope, Ibekewe and Lake come back. I like Akanno's hustle and he really seems to like it at OSU, but we need an upgrade at the 2, badly, and Rochelin ain't it. Ideally, I would like to see two off-guards, a PF, and a F/C come in from the portal. Pope played the 2 until his senior year when they didn't have a point guard as good as him. Lake is shooting .645 from 2 pt range and .425 from 3 point territory.... We have 2 shooting guards ready to go (if they don't go, elsewhere). Takethatbeav mentioned thinking a pass first point guard would probably love to be here if our younger players were to stay, I happen to agree with him. Gary Payton averaged 7.4 to 8.1 assists a game each of the 4 years he was here, we don't have anyone averaging 4 per 40 minutes. Part of that was Miller's offense vs Tinkle's offense, but a lot of that was because he was a very fine point guard. Let the shooters (Pope and Lake) play the 2 and get the best point guard possible. Either of those two could switch over to the point to give the pg a breather. I do think Lake could potentially be the point if we can't get one, but I think a point guard could be a higher priority because I think we have 2 potentially very good 2s on the roster. I totally get where you're coming from. There are kids that could "move along for more playing time" if we could bring in players with more potential. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 1, 2024 7:16:56 GMT -8
You have to wonder which game folks are watching. The Bilodeau foul was indeed a high elbow wrapped around the neck. Akano wasn't "clothes lined"! He backed in and under and KE's arms came over his left shoulder not around his neck. For some if it's not excuses for WT's shortcomings it's officiating conspiracy theories. It was extremely obvious which team was going toward the hoop and the aggressor on offense. The last 5-7 minutes it was a nonstop parade to the hoop and poor defense. While the other team focused on jump shots or shied away from contact in the lane with fade aways. Add the typical droughts each game, OSU bring ranked in the 350's in offensive tempo is no mistake. They've stunk on offense most of the season. Oregon does have better talent, but was also better coached, more disciplined, moved the ball, and adjusted to what OSU gave them. Home teams always get whistles, but more importantly aggressive teams do. At no 2-41 over the last three seasons in pretty sure its not the officials. Lol. Explain with physics how a guy can fall forward and toward the sideline, when Bilodeau was backing him down. Clear flop. Ridiculously awful call. 306 in tempo. A non-exhaustive list of teams with slower tempo include Ohio State (who some talk up on here), Wazzu, Wisconsin, Villanova, Houston, UCLA, and Virginia. UCLA and Virginia do not play offense as well as Oregon State, but they play better defense. I don't know that it is all English otherwise, so it is difficult to respond further. I didn’t see enough of the game to have an opinion on whether Beavs got screwed by refs. I will say in the several 3-4 minute game time stretches I saw, officiating seemed no better or worse than normal and the Beavs earned most of the fouls called that I saw. Certainly the numbers seem to show the zebras did Beavs no favors, but in my experience lopsided amount of fouls called very rarely is only about bad officiating in one direction. Style of offensive team has for that game (no movement, settling for jump shots) and other team being more aggressive and getting into paint has quite a bit to do with it. But I’ve also learned that arguing about officiating is as fruitless as arguing about religion or politics. No opinions will be changed. What I’m curious about is what is your point about bringing up other teams that have a tempo ranking below Beavers’.? Tempo by itself is a fairly worthless stat. Its value is predictive to try to determine how game might be played and differing styles. Also can be helpful if one likes to bet over/under. Case in point, Houston’s AdjO is 17th yet their AdjT is 346th. So just not seeing your point. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 1, 2024 10:09:54 GMT -8
Lol. Explain with physics how a guy can fall forward and toward the sideline, when Bilodeau was backing him down. Clear flop. Ridiculously awful call. 306 in tempo. A non-exhaustive list of teams with slower tempo include Ohio State (who some talk up on here), Wazzu, Wisconsin, Villanova, Houston, UCLA, and Virginia. UCLA and Virginia do not play offense as well as Oregon State, but they play better defense. I don't know that it is all English otherwise, so it is difficult to respond further. I didn’t see enough of the game to have an opinion on whether Beavs got screwed by refs. I will say in the several 3-4 minute game time stretches I saw, officiating seemed no better or worse than normal and the Beavs earned most of the fouls called that I saw. Certainly the numbers seem to show the zebras did Beavs no favors, but in my experience lopsided amount of fouls called very rarely is only about bad officiating in one direction. Style of offensive team has for that game (no movement, settling for jump shots) and other team being more aggressive and getting into paint has quite a bit to do with it. But I’ve also learned that arguing about officiating is as fruitless as arguing about religion or politics. No opinions will be changed. What I’m curious about is what is your point about bringing up other teams that have a tempo ranking below Beavers’.? Tempo by itself is a fairly worthless stat. Its value is predictive to try to determine how game might be played and differing styles. Also can be helpful if one likes to bet over/under. Case in point, Houston’s AdjO is 17th yet their AdjT is 346th. So just not seeing your point. I actually brought up tempo regarding an example of one of the many reasons OSU's offensive scheme has been so bad. Of course in no way was it mentioned as the only indicator, as other scheme related items were also included. But, you have to love the inclusion of other teams with a similar AdjT #s as if they are in and of themselves meaningful. Even tOSU, certainly has not been great, though in a much stronger conference they've managed 53+ wins over the last 3 seasons, and over 7 times as many road wins as OSU. But, of course in 6+ seasons, winning B10 record, 4 NCAA appearances, 137-85 overall wasn't good enough to stick around Columbus. tOSU has a ton more money to draw in a coach, but also pay attention to the trajectory of the program and have some semblance of expectations not excuses. As stated by multiple people, many believe there are highly qualified younger coaches that would jump at the opportunity to take over the OSU program. And, at a huge cost savings when the the entire AD needs to begin the belt tightening. I mean since the extension, the '21-22 season thru the Oregon game, not many ADs can afford $300k per win!? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 1, 2024 12:45:23 GMT -8
I agree that our inside game is worrisome, but I think we also need to get two off-guards from the portal, as well. And that's assuming that Ratay, Bilodeau, Pope, Ibekewe and Lake come back. I like Akanno's hustle and he really seems to like it at OSU, but we need an upgrade at the 2, badly, and Rochelin ain't it. Ideally, I would like to see two off-guards, a PF, and a F/C come in from the portal. Pope played the 2 until his senior year when they didn't have a point guard as good as him. Lake is shooting .645 from 2 pt range and .425 from 3 point territory.... We have 2 shooting guards ready to go (if they don't go, elsewhere). Takethatbeav mentioned thinking a pass first point guard would probably love to be here if our younger players were to stay, I happen to agree with him. Gary Payton averaged 7.4 to 8.1 assists a game each of the 4 years he was here, we don't have anyone averaging 4 per 40 minutes. Part of that was Miller's offense vs Tinkle's offense, but a lot of that was because he was a very fine point guard. Let the shooters (Pope and Lake) play the 2 and get the best point guard possible. Either of those two could switch over to the point to give the pg a breather. I do think Lake could potentially be the point if we can't get one, but I think a point guard could be a higher priority because I think we have 2 potentially very good 2s on the roster.I totally get where you're coming from. There are kids that could "move along for more playing time" if we could bring in players with more potential. Lake can play point, when Akanno plays the two. The issue is that Lake and Pope together are awful collectively at defense. It is tough watching them both on the court. If Lake or Pope shows a crazy amount of improvement on the defensive side of the ball, I could see playing both. Personally, I like Akanno and Pope each taking the ball up the court. Anything to keep Pope fresh. I do not get Pope against Oregon. He played 37 minutes against Stanford and looked fresh as a daisy. He played 37 minutes against Oregon and looked like he might collapse in the last eight minutes. |
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Post by seastape on Mar 1, 2024 20:31:14 GMT -8
Lake can play point, when Akanno plays the two. The issue is that Lake and Pope together are awful collectively at defense. It is tough watching them both on the court. If Lake or Pope shows a crazy amount of improvement on the defensive side of the ball, I could see playing both. Personally, I like Akanno and Pope each taking the ball up the court. Anything to keep Pope fresh. I do not get Pope against Oregon. He played 37 minutes against Stanford and looked fresh as a daisy. He played 37 minutes against Oregon and looked like he might collapse in the last eight minutes.Third road game in six days and an Oregon team that played far more of a harassing defense and an athletic offense than Stanford. |
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