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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2024 15:36:26 GMT -8
Number of jumpers: Oregon 21 - Oregon State 31 Number of non-jumpers: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 27 Fouls called: Oregon 14 - Oregon State 24 Fouls/non-jumper: Oregon 80% - Oregon State 51.85% In part, sure. You are right. You would expect Oregon to be fouled more. It still does not explain the foul disparity, though. It does not explain why Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. Well, it’s also very possible that their players didn’t foul as much as ours. I’ve always scratched my head at the thought that penalties in football games and fouls in basketball somehow have to be equal. Slow defenders commit more fouls. There are players with quick hands- our own Gary Payton for example, and then there are those that slap down on the ball instead of up, lazy defenders, defenders with bad footwork, etc. Watching Akanno get clotheslined and somehow a Beaver fouling the guy who clotheslined Akanno and then Chol get called for a clean block for foul four.......... What you say may be part of it. But there were a couple just awful foul calls throughout the game that went against Oregon State. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 29, 2024 15:43:38 GMT -8
Refs are biased towards the home team most of the time, same as last night.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 29, 2024 15:44:41 GMT -8
The fact of the matter is it has actually been a very competitive team all year. The Baylor/Pitt/Nebraska games were never really in question. And there’s been a few conference games that got out of control. But the team has been in the vast majority of games even when they came up on the losing end. If I was a pass first PG or a 230 LB+ big man I’d be salivating to get on this roster if I knew Pope, Rataj, Bilodeau, Ndong, Marrs, Lake were all gonna be here next year. That's basketball though. A couple players can make the difference between a good team, and an also ran. We always seem to be a couple players short. In reality, how many of those guys stay? |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 16:12:59 GMT -8
You have to wonder which game folks are watching. The Bilodeau foul was indeed a high elbow wrapped around the neck.
Akano wasn't "clothes lined"! He backed in and under and KE's arms came over his left shoulder not around his neck.
For some if it's not excuses for WT's shortcomings it's officiating conspiracy theories. It was extremely obvious which team was going toward the hoop and the aggressor on offense. The last 5-7 minutes it was a nonstop parade to the hoop and poor defense.
While the other team focused on jump shots or shied away from contact in the lane with fade aways. Add the typical droughts each game, OSU bring ranked in the 350's in offensive tempo is no mistake. They've stunk on offense most of the season.
Oregon does have better talent, but was also better coached, more disciplined, moved the ball, and adjusted to what OSU gave them.
Home teams always get whistles, but more importantly aggressive teams do. At no 2-41 over the last three seasons in pretty sure its not the officials.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2024 17:05:53 GMT -8
You have to wonder which game folks are watching. The Bilodeau foul was indeed a high elbow wrapped around the neck. Akano wasn't "clothes lined"! He backed in and under and KE's arms came over his left shoulder not around his neck. For some if it's not excuses for WT's shortcomings it's officiating conspiracy theories. It was extremely obvious which team was going toward the hoop and the aggressor on offense. The last 5-7 minutes it was a nonstop parade to the hoop and poor defense. While the other team focused on jump shots or shied away from contact in the lane with fade aways. Add the typical droughts each game, OSU bring ranked in the 350's in offensive tempo is no mistake. They've stunk on offense most of the season. Oregon does have better talent, but was also better coached, more disciplined, moved the ball, and adjusted to what OSU gave them. Home teams always get whistles, but more importantly aggressive teams do. At no 2-41 over the last three seasons in pretty sure its not the officials. Lol. Explain with physics how a guy can fall forward and toward the sideline, when Bilodeau was backing him down. Clear flop. Ridiculously awful call. 306 in tempo. A non-exhaustive list of teams with slower tempo include Ohio State (who some talk up on here), Wazzu, Wisconsin, Villanova, Houston, UCLA, and Virginia. UCLA and Virginia do not play offense as well as Oregon State, but they play better defense. I don't know that it is all English otherwise, so it is difficult to respond further. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 29, 2024 18:35:25 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the refs we'd be undefeated. Lol. Truth be told there are bad calls in every game against both teams. The reason oregon state has the record it has this season and the past nine has virtually nothing to do with the refs.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 19:03:25 GMT -8
You have to wonder which game folks are watching. The Bilodeau foul was indeed a high elbow wrapped around the neck. Akano wasn't "clothes lined"! He backed in and under and KE's arms came over his left shoulder not around his neck. For some if it's not excuses for WT's shortcomings it's officiating conspiracy theories. It was extremely obvious which team was going toward the hoop and the aggressor on offense. The last 5-7 minutes it was a nonstop parade to the hoop and poor defense. While the other team focused on jump shots or shied away from contact in the lane with fade aways. Add the typical droughts each game, OSU bring ranked in the 350's in offensive tempo is no mistake. They've stunk on offense most of the season. Oregon does have better talent, but was also better coached, more disciplined, moved the ball, and adjusted to what OSU gave them. Home teams always get whistles, but more importantly aggressive teams do. At no 2-41 over the last three seasons in pretty sure its not the officials. Lol. Explain with physics how a guy can fall forward and toward the sideline, when Bilodeau was backing him down. Clear flop. Ridiculously awful call. 306 in tempo. A non-exhaustive list of teams with slower tempo include Ohio State (who some talk up on here), Wazzu, Wisconsin, Villanova, Houston, UCLA, and Virginia. UCLA and Virginia do not play offense as well as Oregon State, but they play better defense. I don't know that it is all English otherwise, so it is difficult to respond further. I'm not sure what foul you're talking about?? "Mine" happened 15-20' from the hoop next to the Oregon sideline. Your constant excuses/blame have worn out their welcome to everyone but yourself. 😉 WT has failed. Period. But even the announcers could believe the, at that point, 2-40 road record. Now of course 2-41, is there a "non exhaustive" list of those teams? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 19:12:34 GMT -8
Like a dog with a bone…
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 19:15:55 GMT -8
Actually... my bad. I know better not to respond to him on anything regarding this topic! 😒 |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 19:20:14 GMT -8
Actually... my bad. I know better not to respond to him on anything regarding this topic! 😒 Yeah, but you have to admire his sticktoitness! |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 19:22:06 GMT -8
Actually... my bad. I know better not to respond to him on anything regarding this topic! 😒 Yeah, but you have to admire his sticktoitness! Or his undying support of "family"... distant... friend?? |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 29, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the refs we'd be undefeated. Lol. Truth be told there are bad calls in every game against both teams. The reason oregon state has the record it has this season and the past nine has virtually nothing to do with the refs. And yet this a thread about one game. A game with a large free throw attempt disparity. Lol. Some us actually watched the game a saw blatant flops by the ducks and a couple other bad calls. All of did make a difference in this game. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 29, 2024 19:46:24 GMT -8
Actually... my bad. I know better not to respond to him on anything regarding this topic! 😒 Why don’t you go hang out on the Trojan board? Did they run your ass? |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 20:06:01 GMT -8
Actually... my bad. I know better not to respond to him on anything regarding this topic! 😒 Why don’t you go hang out on the Trojan board? Did they run your ass? 🌬 |
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Post by seastape on Feb 29, 2024 21:21:05 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. I agree about a lot of our offensive issues, with the exception of the last third of the playoff run season Tinkle's teams have had a limited offensive identity. We've seen flashes of some this year, but on the whole we don't have it. We have a big issue with our inside game, especially the last couple of years. I do think Ibekwe has a lot of potential to be interesting, but he's green as heck, and while showing some flashes earlier in the season, he hasn't shown much the last several games. I don't know if he's checked out, or if we now have a few players who are getting the ball the full time. Frustrating. Whoever is the coach this next year, I would hope an experienced big guy with a couple of years worth of starts and offensive skills can be brought in via transfer portal, whether that experience was in a different conference or JC. KC would be a fairly solid backup as is, and I think he will continue to improve to where by the time he's a senior he'll be pretty decent. As far as the minutes thing goes.... for career minutes our top 6 guys have 9421 total minutes, with Dexter leading the way at 2229, Pope has 2111. Sounds like a lot... to some. Neither Tyler, Michael nor Christian have reached the 1500 minute mark yet. KC, one of those top 6, has a career total of 705 minutes. Now let's look at Oregon's roster this year. Couisnard leads the way with 3334 minutes. Oquendo, Dante, Barthellemy and Diawara all have more career minutes than Jordan. Shelstad, Tracey, Rigsby, Bittle and Zarzuela all have more minutes than KC. The total career minutes played by those with more minutes than KC is 17,371 minutes. Which team has more game experience? Now obviously they can't all load up on minutes in any one game, and some of those ducks may be out for injury (I haven't checked), but they have a TON of experience to practice against, not to mention that at least 4 of those players were top 25/30 recruits. Despite what you say, we have a very young team and we were very competitive on uo's home court. I agree that our inside game is worrisome, but I think we also need to get two off-guards from the portal, as well. And that's assuming that Ratay, Bilodeau, Pope, Ibekewe and Lake come back. I like Akanno's hustle and he really seems to like it at OSU, but we need an upgrade at the 2, badly, and Rochelin ain't it. Ideally, I would like to see two off-guards, a PF, and a F/C come in from the portal. |
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