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Post by gnawitall on Feb 29, 2024 9:46:35 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. Context? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 29, 2024 9:47:53 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. I agree about a lot of our offensive issues, with the exception of the last third of the playoff run season Tinkle's teams have had a limited offensive identity. We've seen flashes of some this year, but on the whole we don't have it. We have a big issue with our inside game, especially the last couple of years. I do think Ibekwe has a lot of potential to be interesting, but he's green as heck, and while showing some flashes earlier in the season, he hasn't shown much the last several games. I don't know if he's checked out, or if we now have a few players who are getting the ball the full time. Frustrating. Whoever is the coach this next year, I would hope an experienced big guy with a couple of years worth of starts and offensive skills can be brought in via transfer portal, whether that experience was in a different conference or JC. KC would be a fairly solid backup as is, and I think he will continue to improve to where by the time he's a senior he'll be pretty decent. As far as the minutes thing goes.... for career minutes our top 6 guys have 9421 total minutes, with Dexter leading the way at 2229, Pope has 2111. Sounds like a lot... to some. Neither Tyler, Michael nor Christian have reached the 1500 minute mark yet. KC, one of those top 6, has a career total of 705 minutes. Now let's look at Oregon's roster this year. Couisnard leads the way with 3334 minutes. Oquendo, Dante, Barthellemy and Diawara all have more career minutes than Jordan. Shelstad, Tracey, Rigsby, Bittle and Zarzuela all have more minutes than KC. The total career minutes played by those with more minutes than KC is 17,371 minutes. Which team has more game experience? Now obviously they can't all load up on minutes in any one game, and some of those ducks may be out for injury (I haven't checked), but they have a TON of experience to practice against, not to mention that at least 4 of those players were top 25/30 recruits. Despite what you say, we have a very young team and we were very competitive on uo's home court. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 29, 2024 9:56:56 GMT -8
Plenty of $3 and $5 tickets available , apparently both fan bases have given up It's more of a testament of how bad we are. Hole is a bubble tournament team, and needs every win they can to get in. They have something to play for.....Still, it's hard to take a team like ours seriously, especially on the road. |
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Post by takethatbeav on Feb 29, 2024 10:01:38 GMT -8
The fact of the matter is it has actually been a very competitive team all year. The Baylor/Pitt/Nebraska games were never really in question. And there’s been a few conference games that got out of control.
But the team has been in the vast majority of games even when they came up on the losing end.
If I was a pass first PG or a 230 LB+ big man I’d be salivating to get on this roster if I knew Pope, Rataj, Bilodeau, Ndong, Marrs, Lake were all gonna be here next year.
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Post by lavrentyyb on Feb 29, 2024 10:18:50 GMT -8
Can you blame him? With a fanbase like we have, I'll be surprised if he doesn't hit the portal before he hits the showers next Thursday. Hey Lavatory- look in the mirror bud. It’s fans like you that accept subpar performance from the program and then blame the fanbase for it that are the problem. Your lack of civility identifies you as Gen Z. Get out of mommy's basement and take an Adulting class. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 11:57:40 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. "OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often." That is a Coach Wayne Tinkle staple. If possible, wait until there are 2 sec left on the shot clock. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 11:59:04 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of an unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. Full disclosure, I only watched a little bit of first hall last night. I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time. We have a solid 3 man core and virtually nothing else. Unfortunately that core isn’t talented enough or consistent enough to do it on their own. As fan’s, we often start with the top players when assessing a team, but with this team it is really all about the rest of the roster. To be kind, it is poor. Akanno’s not a bad player, he just shouldn’t be starting in Pac 12 nor likely in WCC. He plays some good D, but because of lack of consistency of the big 3 he is way too often needed to be #2 or #3 scorer — not the spot you want a 37% shooter (30% from 3) to be in. The rest of the team has some moments here and there, but none of them should be getting anywhere near the amount of time they are except for one reason — necessity. Exhibit A is Rochelin. In the last 11 games he’s played in he’s averaging 12.7 mpg. In that time he is averaging 2.1 ppg and has 2 more fouls than he has points. Don’t get me wrong, all these players seem like good kids and I root for them all. To their credit, I really haven’t seen lack of effort or quit with this team. The overall talent isn’t there, and unless there are a large number of transfers, this will be essentially be the same team next year. Some say, but yeah we’ll be in the WCC so we’ll be so much better. I think those people are overrating this team and/or underrating the WCC. "I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time." Yep. It's played. Sooo played. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2024 12:25:05 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. "OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often." That is a Coach Wayne Tinkle staple. If possible, wait until there are 2 sec left on the shot clock. Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 13:19:55 GMT -8
"OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often." That is a Coach Wayne Tinkle staple. If possible, wait until there are 2 sec left on the shot clock. Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! That’s in part to an aggressive team going to the hoop, and one fiddling around outside and settling for an off-balance last second jumper. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 29, 2024 13:21:08 GMT -8
Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! That’s in part to an aggressive team going to the hoop, and one fiddling around outside and settling for an off-balance last second jumper. Yep, no post game and our only real driver is Dex. The rest are jump shooters and that doesn't get you to the line much. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 29, 2024 13:28:04 GMT -8
"OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often." That is a Coach Wayne Tinkle staple. If possible, wait until there are 2 sec left on the shot clock. Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! I wasn’t a math major, but 32 times to the line versus only 8 exactly four times and not “almost five times”? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2024 13:39:23 GMT -8
Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! I wasn’t a math major, but 32 times to the line versus only 8 exactly four times and not “almost five times”? The rate to the line. Oregon went to the line 19 times and Oregon State went to the line four times. Some of those are one-shot post-made baskets. Other of those are missed front ends of one-in-ones. The rate shows how often a team gets to the line, regardless of the number of attempts. Despite going to the line almost five times as often, Oregon "only" shot four times the number of free throws. Freaking hatchet job no matter how you look at it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2024 13:50:32 GMT -8
Oregon State's FTr (free throw rate) was insanely low last night, .138. It's the lowest single-game rate since the Washington game in Seattle...........last year. Refs were not calling fouls on Oregon. Whether that was Akanno getting clotheslined and then having a foul go against Oregon State or more because the offense was producing too few opportunities is open to interpretation. On the other side of the ball, Oregon's FTr was .627!!!!!!!!!!! Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. That is unreal! Oregon State's TS% was the sixth-highest in conference play. The top four are all wins. Fifth was the loss to Stanford in Corvallis in overtime. Oregon State rebounded poorly. The two losses to Oregon are the worst rebounding performances since the road trip to Los Angeles. Still, you are not going to win often, when your FTr is about 22% of your opponent. Unreal! That’s in part to an aggressive team going to the hoop, and one fiddling around outside and settling for an off-balance last second jumper. Number of jumpers: Oregon 21 - Oregon State 31 Number of non-jumpers: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 27 Fouls called: Oregon 14 - Oregon State 24 Fouls/non-jumper: Oregon 80% - Oregon State 51.85% In part, sure. You are right. You would expect Oregon to be fouled more. It still does not explain the foul disparity, though. It does not explain why Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 29, 2024 13:55:36 GMT -8
I wasn’t a math major, but 32 times to the line versus only 8 exactly four times and not “almost five times”? The rate to the line. Oregon went to the line 19 times and Oregon State went to the line four times. Some of those are one-shot post-made baskets. Other of those are missed front ends of one-in-ones. The rate shows how often a team gets to the line, regardless of the number of attempts. Despite going to the line almost five times as often, Oregon "only" shot four times the number of free throws. Freaking hatchet job no matter how you look at it. Got it. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2024 15:21:08 GMT -8
That’s in part to an aggressive team going to the hoop, and one fiddling around outside and settling for an off-balance last second jumper. Number of jumpers: Oregon 21 - Oregon State 31 Number of non-jumpers: Oregon 30 - Oregon State 27 Fouls called: Oregon 14 - Oregon State 24 Fouls/non-jumper: Oregon 80% - Oregon State 51.85% In part, sure. You are right. You would expect Oregon to be fouled more. It still does not explain the foul disparity, though. It does not explain why Oregon went to the line almost five times as often as Oregon State. Well, it’s also very possible that their players didn’t foul as much as ours. I’ve always scratched my head at the thought that penalties in football games and fouls in basketball somehow have to be equal. Slow defenders commit more fouls. There are players with quick hands- our own Gary Payton for example, and then there are those that slap down on the ball instead of up, lazy defenders, defenders with bad footwork, etc. |
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